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Bob Geiger Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:35 AM
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Republican Minimum Wage Bill to Lower Wages in Seven States


By now, most people know that the Republican majority in the House of Representatives passed another tax cut for the wealthy late last week. They did this by almost eliminating the estate tax on multimillion dollar estates and, along the way -- to give their GOP brethren a chance to appear caring and noble before the November elections -- they grudgingly attached an increase in the minimum wage.

Their message to Democrats was clear: If you want low-income Americans, who have not seen the federal minimum wage rise in almost a decade, to get a tiny bit more money, you need to provide yet more tax breaks for the very richest families in the country.

The political ploy, which would raise the minimum wage over three years to $7.25 an hour from $5.15, outraged Democrats in both the House and the Senate.

Representative Barney Frank (D-MA) called the Republican scheme "the most ethically repugnant, intellectually dishonest, morally bankrupt ploy I have ever seen in a legislative body." He went on to say to House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL) that "… apparently shame has become entirely irrelevant to you and your party."

On Monday, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) called it a "transparent and cynical trick" adding that "Republicans have offered to give America a raise if, and only if, their wealthiest friends also get billions of dollars in tax breaks."

"Republicans are threatening to deny a $2.10 raise for 11 million Americans unless they can give away hundreds of billions to less than .2 of 1 percent of the American people," said a frustrated Reid. "The $2.10 raise is over a period of years. It should be immediate. The $2.10 an hour raise occurs if the richest of the rich get billions of dollars. It is political blackmail that reeks of desperation."

But here's the really sick part: The Republican minimum wage bill, which may come to a vote on the Senate floor by the end of this week, would actually cut the salaries of hundreds of thousands of workers across seven states. The way the law passed by the House last week is written, employers in every state would be allowed to lower the base wage they pay and count tips earned toward meeting minimum wage requirements. Most states already have laws that provide for a lower minimum wage for workers such as waiters and waitresses who earn tips but, if passed, the new federal law would override laws in seven states that mandate no minimum wage difference for those earning tips at their jobs.

Here's the states where the minimum wage is the same for tipped and non-tipped employees:



The Republican law would dictate a rock-bottom minimum of $2.13 per hour for workers receiving gratuities in all states -- including those seven -- with the difference between that and their state-mandated minimum wage made up with the tips that they currently get above and beyond the higher wage.

So, for a waiter in California, the new law would amount to a salary cut of $4.62 per hour, where the person who used to make $6.75 per hour plus tips, would now only make $2.13 an hour plus tips. Similarly, a bartender in Alaska would lose $5.02 an hour. If they failed to make enough tips to hit their state's minimum wage, the employer would make up the difference.

"Everything that has been achieved in seven states to support low-wage workers who earn tips is destroyed by this bill," said Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) "This bill would slash the salaries of thousands of workers."

Ted Kennedy (D-MA), who has tried many times in this Congress to get standalone bills for a minimum wage increase passed -- and was shot down every time by the Republican majority -- jumped all over this outrage on Monday.

"What this proposal contains is an ingenious proposal, suggested by the restaurant association," said Kennedy. "They say: People who work for tips in the restaurants, they often make $5.25 an hour. They often make that in tips. So why are we required to pay them? They were able to persuade Republicans -- this is strictly a Republican proposal -- to say: If they are going to receive tips, you are only required to pay $2.13 an hour. The rest can be made up in tips. That person still effectively gets the minimum wage. But the restaurant doesn't have to pay that. Do you hear me? They don't have to pay the worker the $5.15 an hour."

But I suppose this is to be expected from the same National Restaurant Association that fought Kennedy's last attempt at raising the wage rate saying " A federal wage increase to $7.25 per hour, as proposed by Sen. Kennedy, is the largest increase in the entry-level wage rate ever proposed."

Because, as the restaurant guys figure, they want to keep claiming that all of their workers are entry-level and they sure as hell don’t want to give that big of a pay raise and actually have someone who works 40 hours a week making a whopping $15K per year.

And you need only take a look at the charts below to see why the GOP-controlled House takes these guys so seriously:



It's nice that they choose to hang with Tom DeLay to that extent but just look at how much money they've given to the current Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert.

Go figure.

We can only continue to hope that Americans will take the Iraq war, the time wasted on nonsensical wedge issues and add it with a healthy dose of screwing working families with legislation like this to decide how they want to vote this fall.

Said Kennedy on Monday: " Most Americans believe a job ought to get you out of poverty. But those on the other side believe if you have a minimum wage job, you ought to remain in poverty. That is a very big, very major difference."

You can reach Bob Geiger at geiger.bob@gmail.com.
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adriennui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:38 AM
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1. absolutely disgusting.
this is why we've got to elect democrats.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:45 AM
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2. So, while giving themselves a raise
and giving the wealthiest Americans another tax cut, Congress is lowering the real minimum wage to $2.13 per hour. How wonderful.
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GrantDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:19 AM
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3. An absolute outrage...
a slap in the face to working people. You get a $2.00 raise, or in some cases a pay cut, and Paris Hilton gets billions of $$$$$.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 09:22 AM
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4. Only a repuke could come up with such a
morally bankrupt scheme and shamelessly go public with it. And you can bet it will be given some bullshit name like the "income improvement act." I'm a Californian and am going to waste no opportunity to tell restaurant workers that the repukes in congress want to reduce their salary to $2.13 an hour. Unbelievable.
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Peeves Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 09:25 AM
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5. Who works for minimum wage all their life?
Edited on Wed Aug-02-06 09:25 AM by Peeves
Most folks have the drive to get a better job, and most who start out at minimum receive subsequent raises.

:shrug:
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 09:34 AM
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6. You're missing the point.
Would you like to be among those who lose income under this bill? Would you enjoy going from over $7.00 an hour as a restaurant server to $2.13? That's what the repukes are all about - screw the low wage earner while making sure Paris Hilton never pays a penny of estate tax. If that's ok with you, you're on the wrong board.
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Peeves Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 10:45 AM
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22. No, I'm not OK with the $2.13 thing ...
I don't agree that the law should preempt laws in places like California ...

The situation will always be the same regardless. A person will never be able to make it on minimum wage.
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 09:43 AM
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10. Typical Republican argument
Does it even matter? Poverty doesn't care how old you are!
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Rottenmac Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 09:44 AM
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11. Not Always though,
and that is the point. If you are a single mother who never went to college, and have to pay for a child, rent, insurance,... just to get by minimum wage is not enough right now. If you were said single parent, and they CUT your wage from 7 back to 2.10 and then you had crappy tips... how long do you think it would be before they cut your power and evicted you?

The minimum wage should be raised, pure and simple.

As for raises, they were arbitrary at every minimum wage job i ever had, and by that I mean sometimes you got .80¢ sometimes .30¢ sometimes "Your performance this review was not up to par with what we think you are capable of nor what we require of you, therefore... no raise this time."

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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 10:15 AM
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17. Way, way too simplistic a view.
In a perfect world that view might work.

In the real world for example, you've got single moms with two or three kids, perhaps divorced, perhaps hubby has gotten sick, perhaps hubby has just taken off, or perhaps they've always been on their own in the first place. They're already working one minimum wage job that keeps them just barely subsisting, they do tons of overtime (if they can), maybe even have one or two other minimum wage jobs. They have no money to "develop their skills," let alone the time, because they're doing the best they can to raise their kids. Maybe they can get a student loan, but if things don't go perfectly there -- meaning they graduate and get a higher-paying job right off the bat, and make all their loan payments on time -- the bloodsucking Sallie Mae will come after them with a ferocity that will squeeze the living daylights out of them and probably put them permanently into poverty. We all know most trade schools are B.S., they're only in it for quick profits. But let's say this mom does "develop her skills," where are the jobs? Outsourcing, lay-offs, severe salary cuts for what used to good-paying jobs, people here on special visas to work for less money, and never mind good old stiff competition, is what she's facing once she has her trade school degree (usually almost worthless) in hand.

There is nothing to excuse what the "compassionate conservatives" are doing to workers in this country. But as Shakespeare says, "The cat will mew, and the dog will have its day."
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:09 AM
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23. there are a lot of people who can`t
get that better job and it`s not their fault. very few people in the united states of america get pay raises that even come close to inflation. if you check the figures the working class in the united states of america real income has not raised since the early 1970`s. i know i`m one of them
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 09:35 AM
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7. Just when I think I can't despise these crooks more....
...if only the average American paid attention to this.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 09:54 AM
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14. "if only the average American paid attention to this..."
Unfortunately the average American is too busy casting a vote for the next American Idol to pay any attention to the outrages being perpetrated daily by the repukes. And if a person does happen to pick up a newspaper, chances are the media whore who covered the story will put a nice positive spin on it and leave out all the nasty details.

That's exactly how "screw the least among us" bills like the Medicare drug coverage got passed. A combination of Americans' inattention, media whoring, and, unfortunately, some DINOS who went along with it. Only now are Medicare recipients waking up to big premiums and huge gaps in coverage and wondering "How the hell did this happen?"
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 04:59 PM
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37. Yes, Exactly!
"Unfortunately the average American is too busy casting a vote for the next American Idol to pay any attention to the outrages being perpetrated daily by the repukes."

That's what the Rethugs like, ignorant Americans absorbed by the TV culture.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 09:38 AM
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8. K&R
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 09:42 AM
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9. Just when I think the GOP can't get more repugnant
they decide to reach for new depths. I'm tired of the Dems trying to be nice and work this out. They need to put this out there on tv, in the papers, through mailings--however they can do it. It's well past time to take off the gloves and come out swinging. Show the American public just what kind of scum is inhabiting the halls of Congress and what kind of crimes they are perpetrating on the people of the US.

I'm so very tired of reading of each new outrage committed by the Repugs. So very tired...

Having said that, I will never give up fighting them. They and all of their supporters need to be kicked out of our places of power and we the American public, need to reclaim our country before there is absolutely nothing to reclaim.





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BlueOysterCult Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 09:54 AM
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13. I'm so very tired..
me too. The problem is that I come here to see this. Where else are they? THis needs to be on the front page of the NY Times! Good god - it's (still) like they are slipping it past us while we just take it in the keester. These stories need to get out in plain view for everyone to see. This administration doesn't care about the workers in this world. Maybe they will give more tax breaks to the rich if they put an oil rig on their now exempt from any taxes land/estate? And what I am even more sick of is that they are going to come out of this smelling like roses - I ferkin hate! this administration with a passion... we need to think why this is really happening - are we as "humans" supposed be learning a lesson from this? We need the animals of the world to run this planet - planet of the apes!
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 07:49 PM
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41. Time for the REVOLUTION
We have to take over and take back our government. We need to fight these ass carrots as if we were fighting terrorism ...omg that's it. We need to fight the GOP terrorists in our government!

:grr:
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KKKarl is an idiot Donating Member (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 09:51 AM
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12. So what are the Dem's
going to do about this. It is like a no win situation. Lets hope the reject this & explain to the people why they did. They only thing here is going to be a conservative talking point for the elections. They will tell all their Fox news lovers how the Dem's tried to stop a min. wage increase & they passed it.
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BlueOysterCult Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 10:01 AM
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15. good point- I was...
going to mention something along those lines too. If it passes the rich bastards get their tax break and wages for folks get screwed. And the repub assholes still look good for passing it while still dissing the Dems for sorta not wanting to. If the dems reject it then the repubs blast the Dems for not passing it - so the US feels sorry for the repub assholes for working so hard for the working class - ugggg I'm confused - I hate this shit... the only way to pass something is to tie it with a ton of other garbage? What a chicken shit way of doing stuff
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 10:05 AM
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16. And you can bet they'll come up with some sort
of user-friendly name for it that makes voting against it look unAmerican. Something like the "Help working families Act" or some such bullshit. Yea, working families, like the Hiltons.
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IndependentVoice Donating Member (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 10:18 AM
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18. What is it the can't already afford, and need a pay raise to get ? n/t
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 10:32 AM
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19. How about rent, food, gas, insurance,
car repairs, utility bills, Dr. and dentist visits, meds, school supplies for the kids, new clothes every so often, a haircut once in a while, college or trade school tuition and books so a person can better him or herself,household items like irons and pots and pans and linens, and a thousand other expenses that crop up everyday. If you think these can all be comfortably purchased on a minimum wage, you are completely out of touch with reality.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt though and assume that you just left the "sarcasm" icon out of your post by accident.
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melissinha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 01:08 PM
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31. precisely
Furthermore regular Americans can't do the math Democrats are promising a yearly raise of $4,000 with the minimum raise, and all Republicans can "give" is a tax cut of $300.... wake up people....

I mean you can't decrease your income and have more expenses (tax income lowered with tax cuts yet the Iraw has spiraled the budget out of control) What truly responsible citizen can't see that you can just charge the bill to the Chinese with interest and not keep tax rates like they were during Clinton's years????? Its like surviving on credit cards...stupid.
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 10:36 AM
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20. As usual, an excellent post...............
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PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 10:44 AM
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21. When I was a waitress 25 years ago, I made $2.00/hour plus tips.
So, basically, after 25 years, a waiter or waitress would make the same amount, no increase at all for inflation. We should roll back Congressional salaries to 1981 levels as well.

Just as an aside, I'll bet the worst tippers are Republicans; they're cheap bastards who don't like to give up their money to the working class.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:12 AM
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24. hookers ,bartenders,and waitress are the best tippers
my wife has been a waitress and bartender for 35 years.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 11:25 AM
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25. *** URGENT *** CALL YOUR SENATORS NOW @ 800-459-1887 ***NO on H.R. 5970***
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 12:06 PM
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26. Kennedy's office is now saying that he will support this bill! YIKES!
The person that I talked to in his office said that the senator was looking to support this "compromise" and went on to say that "the senator had been trying to get a minimum wage increase for years ....."

Kerry's office was even worse, The aide said in a snippy voice that "senatorscan't vote on house bills". When I asked what Kerry's position was on the estate tax, she hung up on me.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 12:42 PM
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27. What? A bill that lowers the wage for some workers to
around $2.15 an hour? How is that possible? Being sold down the river on the Minimum Wage issue by Ted Kennedy would be a tragedy.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 03:29 PM
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35. Give him a call and let him know how you feel!
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 01:01 PM
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30. Since all our Senators are multimillionaires and stand to gain on two
fronts by voting Yes...they get themselves a raise or save thousands on taxes AND get credit for getting a minimum raise. How can they lose...it's a win win for then all Rethugs & Damns. OUT WITH THEM ALL.
EVERY ONE OF THEM IS A SELFISH PIG!
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 03:30 PM
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36. Auntie Bush ... Thanks. Now call then and let her rip.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 12:47 PM
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28. Shame! For Shame!
Representatives, you should be ASHAMED!
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melissinha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 12:56 PM
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29. thats below the belt
Now keep in mind that the whore Hutchison is on the Commerce Committee, and it makes sense that she would receive contributions of that magnitude from Restaurant Assn, but you know full well that she is paying them back, I so wish we could defeat her.

I remember in was it it 1990 I worked in a retaurant and they didn't meet minimum wage, I only got paid like $2 an hour and because I was at the counter maybe make $1 tips for an entire 14 hours shift... It was horrible, luckily I only did that for a month and switched to being a cook at a different restaurant... I couldn't imagine surviving on min wage nowadays now that I don't live with the folks.....
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 01:16 PM
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32. It's official that they dont give a shit about the middle class, do they?
This pisses me off. The very wealthy are the ones that get tax breaks, yet we're the ones paying $3.00 a gallon for gas, not to mention near-astronomical energy bills. Fuck them.
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Electable Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 09:48 PM
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42. Have the Bush's and Kennedy's ever actually paid estate tax ?
The very wealthy are the ones that get tax breaks

Don't forget th filthy rich like the the Bush's and the Kennedy's won't ever pay the estate tax anyway. Its these bastards with their lawyers that benefit the most. I purposefully left bill gates out of this.. I believe his charity is actually a charity.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 01:38 PM
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33. Why am I still surprised when I learn stuff like this?
Is this what they meant by "States Rights?:crazy: :nuke:

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danhan Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 02:26 PM
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34.  I don't agree that
any minimum wage in any state should be reduced and I don't think all food service industry workers are "entry level" (but most of them are). No matter what, minimum wage was NEVER meant to be a living wage and it never will be.

There is no sane reason why any sixteen year old entry level worker should be paid the same as someone with any kind of skill or more experience. All this would do is increase prices on eveything that lower income people consume, thereby lowering their own income.

I employ hispanics. 50% of them are already US citizens and the other 50% are legal and working toward citizenship. (I require that from all of them) They range from skilled equipment operators on down to starting level ditchdiggers. Not one of them makes even close to as little as the minimum wage. Why? Because none of them would work for that small amount. Not even the illegals working for others settle for that small amount. That is not what the market is. Nor should the market be forced to pay higher wages for a fast food employee.

What do you want $10.00 Big Macs?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 05:41 PM
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38. Got all your repuke talking points down pat, I see.
Re-read all the above posts for the answer to your ignorant statement.

Then get back to us...
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danhan Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 06:07 PM
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39. I am neither repeating
anyone's talking points nor am I ignorant.

Believe it or not, some progressive, free thinking people operate in the marketplace and actually own businesses.

Outside of my closing rhetorical question, I simply stated facts.

Thanks for your mature, well thought out reply.
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 06:21 PM
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40. Are you sure?!!
This is unbelievable! Shocking! How could this happen??!! Wait...oh, I see that it is the repigs who thought this up. Never mind. Nothing new here.
:yoiks:
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 12:13 AM
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43. Kick... n/t
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skyblue Donating Member (724 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 06:42 AM
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44. Then there's Bush's Signing Statements. Can we make any laws anyway???
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