Here's how Iraq will end. It is inevitable.

[Stinky The Clown]

There's no doubt in my mind. There is NO FUCKING PLAN in place on the part of our chickenshit chickenhawk leaders to do anything over there. They're in pure reactive mode and when anyone suggests they actually MAKE one, all they do is stick their fingers in their easrs and go lalalalalalalalala.

Here's how it will go down:

The civil war will finally be acknowledged.

Our guys will be forced to stay there and prop up whatever government we favor at the time. That government will fall.

The new government will be one we will very much not like. They will kick us out. And make no mistake, we *will* leave. The US body politic has no stomach to be there. Once out invitation to leave comes from ANY government that emerges, even the Neocons will be unable to resist the pressure.

Our embassy will become a tourist spot where, for a haffa buck, you get to take a sledgehammer to a spot on the wall that has picture of Il Dunce on it.

[MichiganVote]

1. Badly

[Monkeyman]

2. yep

[90-percent]

3. Leaving?

We aren't leaving those nice juicy oil fields behind EVER!

EVER!

EVER!

Or at least until you pry the oil derricks out of Dick Cheney's cold dead clammy hands!

-85% Jimmy

[Stinky The Clown]

5. Nope ... we'll leave 'em behind

This thing, from their perspective, went HUGELY wrong.

They won't be able to resist the pressure.

[MichiganVote]

6. Every cockroach I've ever heard of leaves....and then returns...

[Stinky The Clown]

8. Now that's a whole other issue

As sure as I am that we're gunna lose and get run out now, I am as certain they'll be back there agin assoon as they can. My only hope is that I'll be dead by then.

[MichiganVote]

13. God, you and me both Hub. If there is one thing I am sick of living

through its the wars the US has. Sick of them.

And yes, I agree, we'll be leaving Iraq. Place will be so fucking hot with strife, Iran won't want to put a toe in the region.

[MissWaverly]

10. pry them out of his hands, they will be burning

which will make oil prices raise even higher, heh, heh, heh. Mission Accomplished. Neocons
profit while the world suffers.

[A HERETIC I AM]

4. We will NEVER leave Iraq. NEVER

And of this i have no doubt. We are there for the oil and that's that. As long as the oil is in the ground it is money in the bank and dammit....THAT MONEY BELONGS TO.........well....Exxon Mobil, for one and any other American (and ONLY American, with the exception of a token British and Aussie) oil company and oil service firm.

This was always about the oil. There is too much at stake. They (the American oil concerns) will never...EVER..reliquish the control, tenuous as it may be on the oil in Iraq.

Never.

Unfortunately for us, hardly any of it will ever reach our shores, much less your local gas station. It is for China. And American oil companies are going to sell it to them.

[ShortnFiery]

7. Oh yes we will, and before 2008

We're very close to running out of "Cannon Fodder." :(

[Stinky The Clown]

9. "We're very close to running out of "Cannon Fodder."

Yup ... that and public support. This country is aflame with antiwar sentiment, no matter what the Three Monkey media sez.

[ShortnFiery]

11. That's how all these WARS end, not with The Parties but with

the dissent of WE THE PEOPLE! :patriot:

[A HERETIC I AM]

12. I beg to differ with the both of you.....

Look...i am no fan BY ANY STRETCH of this asinine insanity. But the undeniable fact remains that this was planned for for AT LEAST a decade (probably much longer) before we went in there and the reason we are there will not be swayed by public opinion. If...and that is one huge IF..we are able to elect a Congress full of true intellects then maybe..just maybe every American serviceman would come home from there. But in my heart of hearts i know that is not going to happen and i also know that is just simply not how it works in the world. This entire thing is about money and the money in Iraq is black and under the ground. It can sit there for a generation, it wont matter but there is no way that money is going to be collected by anyone other than US Corporations.

Thats just the way it is. Sorry to be a pessimist but...thats the way it is.

[ShortnFiery]

14. Hey, good luck in recruiting because the American Populace is

SICK of the killing and dying. Just like Vietnam, we "get serious" with a few politicians and they change their tune.

We're pulling out by 2008 whatever party is in control.

On that I have no doubt. :-)

[Disturbed]

15. There will be a large draw down of US/UK Troops.

The Mercs will stay. The Busholini Palace will be protected. The oil will be parcelled to the Western Oil Corps. eventually, especially in the Kurdish region. When very few US Troops are casualies in Iraq the US Public will push Iraq to the back of their minds as will Dems in Congress.Billions spent will not be walked away from. The dead and maimed US Troops? Their families and friends will have to cope with that.

[90-percent]

16. Oh, yeah.....

There's also the small matter of those FOURTEEN MILITARY BASES we're abuildin'. I don't think we'll just abandon them so the Iraqi's have 14 race tracks to go for land speed records.

-85% Jimmy

[ShortnFiery]

19. There's not a large pool of Mercs to draw from ...

You don't grow intelligent but anti-social personalities (who are extensively trained in small unit tactics) on trees! The Mercenary pool is drying up with their own blood being shed now.

Nope, the rubber is going to meet the road ... we will be pulling out of Iraq before 2008.

I'm confident of the above prediction and that this will be an exodus like none before Vietnam 75' ... well, save for we'll be extracting troops with the Chinooks vice Hueys. :P

Rummy's dream of Special Forces and Delta Force units won't cut the mustard of occupation without the thousands of Poor Bloody Infantry "Cannon Fodder" to fill in the gaps.

Thank God that The American People will once again stop the Masters of War. :patriot:

On Edit: P.S. Thanks to the present warfare in Lebanon, The Ruling Party Shias hate our (USA) guts. And yeah, religious hatred trumps MONEY. But in this case, no one side is morally just. The Corporations can NOT "buy or bomb" their way out of all quagmires. Asymmetrical warfare is here to stay and you can't KILL THEM ALL. Guess you'll just have to negotiate with the evil bastards? ;)

[Donna Zen]

17. Money is money is global

Since the government that is in place now in Iraq hates our guts, replacing that governement with another will not make much of difference to us. Corporations are global, and money is money. The same people will buy the oil from whatever government is selling it. I rather doubt the people of Iraq will be winners, and neither will we.

I don't think that my take is much different than yours. My point is that the shadowy names getting the money or later, remain the same.

How America looses in the mess, is our blood and treasure have been squandered by the bush regime and deminished our place at the table. The bush foreign policy of more wars is not preparing our country to help US citizens to be competive in the 21st century world.

Being anti-the-war-in-Iraq is all about being smart not stupid. Wittman and the entire DLC have refused to grasp what the hell is going on.

[Cosmocat]

18. No ...

As some have noted, this thing was put together in January of 2000, with Cheney and the oil czars portioning Iraq in a manner that suited their aims, and as noted, we now have a HUGE investment of military bases strategically designed with that in mind ... We WILL have a military presence in Iraq for the remainder of our lives, to protect the oil interests ...

We most assuredly will maintain the big embassy ... That is the ONE thing that is on target, cause it has a reason ... It will be a safe haven/oasis in the midst of complete anarchy ...

The neocons/oil interests most definitely WILL "resist the pressure" ... The could give a flying F about what anyone else things ... They WILL hold out to the bloody end relative their having enough power to call the shots ... They WILL let someone else do the dirty work (the next democratic president), and they WILL blame the failure, over time, on the those who ended up having to clean up the mess, as well as the Iraqi's themselves ...

Iraq will be left to fall into complete choas once the Bushco interests have been locked down ... The Right Wing Authority Figures, their right wing media attack dogs WILL develop some innane rationalization that absolves them of any responsibility, and the MSM and sheeple will assimilate the talking points ...

[gasperc]

20. our economy strangled by the unlimited cost

will pull out our commitment. we'll redeploy as this war for profit finally does an ENRON and implodes in on itself. The sheer cost of replacing the equipment in Iraq today that has passed 400% usage limit will break down to the point that large casualties will follow. The nutjobs are trying to GAMBIT FOR A CHEAP OUT, NUCLEAR WEAPONS. The way these fuck nuts think, they are bemoaning all the billions we've spent on unused nuclear weapons that are simply wasting away in stockpiles. We just need to nuke a few key sites and they will fear the death star, I mean the US. It'll be fear that'll keep the systems in line, fear of the death star. set aside the collective gasp of 6 billion inhabitents of the world that will not only fear us but despise us no matter what our rational is for dropping a nuke in the ME.

THERE WERE MANY ON THIS SITE AND IN THE WORLD WHO SAID THE IRAQ WAR WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. IT WAS WILL PITT AND MANY MANY OTHERS WHO TOLD US THIS WAR WILL HAPPEN AND IT DID. THE ONLY THING WE CAN SAY FOR SURE IS THAT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION IS COMPLETELY UNPREDICTABLE WHICH IS HOW THEY LIKE IT AND IT FITS INTO THEIR THEORY OF PEACE THROUGH CHAOS.

[KKKarl is an idiot]

21. What will happen after this

The reason why the US supported Iraq against Iran in the 80's was to ensure no Shiite government would take over Iraq because they knew Iraq was majority Shiite (Saddam as we know is Sunni). Now we are working hard to keep the Sunni's down who want to topple the Shiite government. For the Shiites we have brought stability to the region. For the US we have brought more troubles on us. In 20 years some Iraqi government will rise up that is ultra conservative. They kill some Americans. We will retaliate. Causing a new war to start. Then we will go in take out the Shiites & try & put the Sunnis back in power. What a circle of hogwash we have created from Regan to Bush I to Bush II.