List of Democrats that jumped party lines on mininum wage/estate tax vote

[Daylin Byak]

To keep you informed, here are the list the the dems that think that although rasing the minimum wage is good, giving taxbreaks to the super rich is good too. 34 dems crossed party lines for this important vote.

Neil Abercrombie, Hawaii
John Barrow, Georgia
Mellissa Bean, Illinois
Shelley Berkley, Nevada
Marion Berry, Arkansas
Dan Boren, Oklahoma
Leonard Boswell, Iowa
Rick Boucher, Virginia
Allen Boyd, Florida
Sherrod Brown, Ohio WTF????
Ed Case, Hawaii
Ben Chandler, Kentucky
Bud Cramer, Alabama
Henry Cuellar, Texas
Lincoln Davis, Tennessee
Chet Edwards, Texas
Harold Ford Jr., Tennessee
Bart Gordon, Tennessee
Stephanie Herseth, South Dakota
Bill Jefferson, Louisiana
Jim Marshall, Georgia
Jim Matheson, Utah
Mike McIntyre, North Carolina
Charlie Melancon, Louisana
Allan Molohan, West Virginia
Dennis Moore, Kansas
Collin Peterson, Minnesota
Nick Rahall, West Virginia
Mike Ross, Arkansas
Bobby Rush, Illinois
Ted Strickland, Ohio
John Tanner, Tennessee
Edolphus Towns, New York
David Wu, Oregon

I'm not bashing the democrats for voting for this, i'm just making the list to keep people informed. And i've realized something, everytime a really big vote like this happens i've rwalized that most of the time the dems that cross party lines to vote with the repukes are the same people over and over. Dan Boren, John Barrow, Harold Ford, Melissa Bean.

You realize that too.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

1. Wu is going to be getting a letter from me!

I tried to get rid of him in the primary just for these kinds of votes. He's in someones pocket. :mad:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

24. I don't know, tell me. Wu is?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

29. Congressman for Portland OR

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=COR91217

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

30. Sigh. It was an attempt at an "Wu's on First" joke.

:yoiks:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

32. so-kay

my humor button is broken today. :blush:

[madrchsod]

2. ohhh ...i see the old black panther

voted to relieve "the white man`s burden" of paying taxes

[Xeric]

3. I'm in Bean's district

What am I supposed to do? Smile and thank her for kicking me in the butt over and over again? I voted for her. Republicans didn't. Should I bite the bullet and vote for her again on the assumption that at least I'm voting for a Democratic house despite voting against my principles? I don't like to be in this situation.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

17. i understand your dilemma xeric, I live in Alabama n/t

[City Lights]

36. So am I.

:hi:

I'm pissed about this too, but I'll bite the bullet and vote for her anyway. She's in a tough spot - it's a Republican district. I think she'll be lucky to hold on to her seat. I see Dave McWeeney stickers all over. :puke:

[valerief]

4. Thank you. n/t

[silverojo]

5. Fuck...them...all.

:mad:

[Reckon]

6. Maybe the senate will stop it... n/t

[wyldwolf]

7. good for them. Why be on a list this November of Dems who didn't...

...support a minimum wage hike?

[calico1]

8. It came with the usual posion pill

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2421110

[wyldwolf]

9. yes, I understand that

But the voters this November will only hear one thing - Democrats voted against a minimum wage hike.

[calico1]

10. True.

The Democrats have to be very vocal about why they voted against it. I do know that the media was mentioning the "poison pill." The Dems need to keep on this and not just let the Republicans get credit for it.

[Warren Stupidity]

11. So then all the Republican majority has to do

is throw in a meaningless token Democratic issues like a three year phase in of a miserly increase in the minimum wage, and Democrats should just vote to go along with the odious crap that is riding with it because it is just too difficult to explain to the voters that they are being snookered. Great strategery you got there.

I have a better idea. Democrats should stand and fight this crap every step of the way.

[wyldwolf]

12. hold on...

In 2004 when the GOP claimed John Kerry voted to defund military projects, how much traction did us saying that it happened as a part of a larger legislation package? ZERO!

And how much play did it get when we said Cheney did the same thing? ZERO.

This was a trap set by the GOP to get Democrats on record as opposing a minimum wage hike.

[Zhade]

35. Surprise, we agree on this - it was a trap.

Fucking Republican assholes.

I think riders should be banned.

[OzarkDem]

39. By doing what?

Letting the GOP pass the bill on their own?

[LSK]

15. because the bill is about the estate tax

Minimum wage is buried at the bottom.

[karynnj]

19. Because the real thing this does is pass making the

estate tax elimination permanent. The reason it was not permanent to begin with was that it was far too expensive.

There is NOT high public support for this roll back

There IS high public support for increasing the minimum wage - even among Republicans.

Therefore, there will be other bills. This is NOT worth the cost. What it is is a cheap political trick that is designed to fail - as the Democrats responsibly vote NO and all endangered Republicans vote yes - then use it. It is a poison pill.

[MrBenchley]

27. Not to mention the GOP's "class warfare" slur

You can see the ads now: "Democrat X was willing to screw over millions of poor hardworking people in (insert name of state here) just to keep a few people from having lower taxes to create jobs and blah blah...."

[paulk]

13. it was a CYA vote

this bill will never make it through the Senate.

[LSK]

14. here are the roll calls

Motion to recommit (this was the real chance to stop it):

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll424.xml

Passage of the bill:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll425.xml

[Jeffersons Ghost]

16. VOTE FOR IT DU...

the finest difference between us and them is that we constantly seek to improve our party and government, which is true patriotism, instead of being patriotic in name only.

[Hidden Stillness]

18. I Highly Doubt There Will Be Any "Minimum Wage Raise" At All

You are very naive if you think that Republicans have just voted to "raise the minimum wage." As I understand the bill, when it was actually described on the floor of the House during debate--once--it not only contains the estate tax removal that they couldn't pass on its own, other tax cuts to rich people and corporations, which will be shifted onto us, and a new way for corporations to offer health care coverage that will cut benefits and force more of the cost onto the employee (so the whole "raise" is already long-gone), but the bill contains a whole list of categories of jobs that will be exempt from raising the minimum wage. I don't know who, exactly, even still qualifies for this phantom "raise." Regardless, I believe, (and pray), that the Senate will kill it, as expected.

If Democrats just go on explaining that they are voting against this fake bill because of the "poison pills" it contains--and then explain, not "frame," what they are, and that they want a bill with only a minimum wage raise and nothing else added--as many have been doing, there should be no problem. Republicans are causing this; until, of course, you have "D"LC corporate lobbyists helping the whole process along. Don't pull this bullshit where you blame the "stupid uneducated voters" for your demonic vote. If you will not vote against it and then explain why, and call for a real minimum wage raise, then you and "your Republican friends" have stabbed us in the back again. Do you rich people have no clue at all as to the desperation of the majority of the American people, and how we are actually living nowadays?

[LincolnMcGrath]

20. Once again Dems get their asses handed to them.

:puke:

[Eric J in MN]

21. Ed Case is a conservative Democrat challenging

...liberal Democrat Senator Daniel Akaka

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Case
"Case has announced a challenge to Sen. Daniel Akaka in the primary election to be held on September 23, 2006."

Will Bill Clinton get involved in that primary as he did in Connecticut? If so, on which side?

[Auntie Bush]

22. I was disappointed in Harold Ford 's vote.

Unfortunately, we can wait till January when we have control of congress to raise the mimimum wage. Right now it's more important not to let the super rich avoid their fair share of taxes.

If this goes through...I can just hear the Rethugs bragging how they saved all those farmers and businesses from ruin AND they were also the ones to raise the minimum wage. Rethugs are so disgusting they make me want to :puke:

[MrBenchley]

31. So millions of poor people can just tough it out until January?

Hell, why not wait until January to roll back the fucking estate tax? (After all, it's not like there's going to be a shitload of it paid in the next six months anyway?)

"Sorry, kids, there's no Xmas this year because some people hate the rich more than they want you to have toys."

[napi21]

23. I was against this too, but let me ask you a few questions.

In the wee hours of the morning, I was listening to a John Rothman on KGO radio out of SF, Ca. I usually listen to Bernie Ward and then Ray Taliafero, but they're both on vacation. John was talking about a lot of people he knew PERSONALLY who inherited a family business, wanted to continue running it, but had to sell it because of the Fed. Estate taxes. The business was valued at a couple of mill, and although it was a decent long term business, it just didn't generate that kind of cash. Sometimes the same thing happens with a farm. Land value rose sharply over the years, but the cash income from operating a farm has fallen. The parents die, the kids would like to keep the farm, but HAVE to have jobs in other areas our of need, but they are forced to sell it, usually to a developer, to pay the taxes.

I haven't seen the bill passed by the House last night, so I don't know what it says. I have no problem with a family not having to pay estate tax on their family restaurant so they can keep it in the family. I DO have a BIG problem with someone like dingleberry Paris Hilton getting out of paying any taxes though.

Don't you think we should at least take a look at the bill before we hang the Dems for supporting it????

[LincolnMcGrath]

25. NOT ONE FARM HAS EVER BEEN TAKEN BY THE FEDS! period

Any SOUND business can be passed on flawlessly. Never mind the fact that Mr.Businessmen can pass on money to his heirs tax free legally already!

[dsc]

26. He is telling bald faced lies

The GOP has been challenged repeatedly to name one, just one, of the supposedly thousands of people who lost farms and businesses due to this onerous tax and have come up with zero, exactly zero. The current limits, which weren't subject to sunset, is that a single person could inherit $2 million tax free and a couple could inherit $4 million tax free. After that the tax bite never climbs over 25 or 30%. Give me a freaking break. If you can't run a business well enough to save it from that kind of tax then you need to get out of it.

[OzarkDem]

38. Agree

a little context would be nice. Dems are being baited constantly by the GOP in Congress so it can be used against them in campaigns.

[AtomicKitten]

28. and others aren't bamboozled

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Pelosi_Republican_minimum_wage_bill_a_0728.html

I would venture to guess some are willing to compromise no matter how bitter the poison pill inserted in the bill to get a much-needed raise in the minimum wage. We cannot summarily assign intent on voting for this bill without guessing at their reasoning behind it.

I caught a repeat segment of Oprah in the wee hours this A.M. on this issue and I'm beginning to think she should come out hard against purposely holding down wages; this will bitch-slap the Rs in a big way.

[indygrl]

33. I'm surprised Bayh isn't on the list/nt

[Zodiak]

34. He's a senator, not a Representative

two houses in Congress and all that.

[OzarkDem]

37. Do you have a link for that vote?

Seems a bit odd, more details would be nice before we start bashing good Dems.

[MsMagnificent]

40. You think he's lying?

But here's your requested link -- it's an easy search

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/109/house/2/votes/425/


On top of the 34,
8 more Dem's did not vote,
and 1 was "present" but didn't bother voting.

[depakid]

41. We need to target every single one of them

My congressman David Wu- provided the deciding vote for the Medicare scam- and voted for the bankruptcy bill (despite the fact that people in his district were suffering).

I've met the man- and he's seriously a sleeze.

He WILL NEVER EVER get my vote again- and not only that- I'm actively encouraging people to abstain from voting for that scum. Can't bring myself to vote Republican- but I can AND WILL get as many people as I know to recognize who he is.

And- to be perfectly honest- I hope he he loses this November. We can replace him with an honest person with some integrity two years from now.