What is your position on the Israeli-Hezbollah conflict?

[win_in_06]

Interestingly enough, I think that various Democratic elected leaders hold each of these positions.

[Magrittes Pipe]

1. Kill 'em all.

I'm sick of this shit, from both sides.

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[cboy4]

2. Cease Fire

[mattomjoe]

3. My suggestion: gather up everyone intent on killing each other

(regardless of which side they are on) and put them in a room with enough guns and ammo to kill each other 10X over. When the last one drops, we can dump a pile of dirt on them and the rest of us can go about LIVING our lives.

[patrice]

4. I would like to vote for the International Peacekeeping force, but

didn't because I listened to Richard Armitage explain how impossible that is this morning on public radio.

So, some meaningful sanctions, like not selling them anymore weapons, would be good.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

5. In three decades of teaching

I've broken up a lot of fights between little boys. Usually I get kicked or pinched or something even knocked down. I still break them up.

And the thing is, it is never just one little boy's fault. They are usually both justified. Neither are saints. The saints keep to themselves and don't mess with the kids with big punches.

There's a lesson here but I'm not quite sure what it is.

[Totallybushed]

7. OK. This is totally off-subject about

Israel/Hezbollah or Israel/Palestine, and nothing personal you understand. But that is such a load of maladorous crap.

I was a little boy once, and I can tell you that it is always one boy's fault. ALWAYS. Sometimes it was me, sometimes it was the other boy. But someone throws the first punch. But even then, it may not be that boy's fault.

There are a number of people out there, and they are on the playgrounds, who, for some reason or another, grate on someone else's nerves. Instead of walking away and ignoring the first person, the right thing to do, that someone else may either throw the first punch, or irritate, pick at, pinch, insult, and otherwise provoke the first person until the first person throws the first punch. In any case, it is the first person's fault, entirely.

I am assuming here, that the second person has tried to walk away and ignore the first person and has not been permitted to. The second person is known as a "bully". And it is always his fault.

There is another person at fault. That is the teachers and administrators who think the two children are both at fault. Suspension for both of them if they get caught fighting!! Oh, and nobody likes a tattle-tale. So the victim is not allowed to defend himself, and he is not protected by the powers that be.

Is there a moral to this sad tale? Only if you want one. Basically I am blowing off steam.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

16. Well, I'm not quite sure what to say

because you have your experiences and I have mine. I teach art and I usually hear the spat from the beginning, and while one boy is usually more aggressive, the other one joins in the name calling until one of them blows. I don't have bully fights around me because nobody bullies kids around me. I am rather feared because I listen and know what is going on. In my school we don't suspend for fighting. Period. Anybody. If I think a kid has bully possibility, he is my 'best friend' and sits by my desk.

I guess school cultures differ from school to school.

[Totallybushed]

17. Quite possibly you are correct.

However, there are a lot of lazy, even ignorant teachers out there mixed with some extremely good ones. You seem to be one of the latter.

Let me tell you a true story. When my oldest daughter was in fifth grade, there was a boy who sat behind her who would stick here with a pin (not a 'pen'). She complained to us, and we complained to the principle. And they couldn't do a thing about it, so they said, because there was no 'evidence'. TG, they didn't even move one of the children to another chair.

This went on for about 2 months until the teacher actually saw in happening. Then things got done. The boy was transferred to another class. No suspension, no nothing.

Now, would you have let that go on? That's the difference between a good teacher, administrator, or even school system, and a bad one.

:)

[TallahasseeGrannie]

20. I would have seen the pin stick by the second or third time

I would have also recognized the potential for pin stick before it happened and have a new best friend for the semester.

When a child becomes my "best friend" it is a bittersweet responsibility. They know they are being taken away from potential problems, but I don't couch it negatively. Then they help me do things like pass out materials, which boosts the self esteem a bit. It is amazing how positive action can help.

The problem you mentioned is why I don't EVER criticize home school parents. I know what can go on. Basically we warehouse children in what we tell ourselves is the cheapest way possible. But the resulting problems are very costly to undo.

[Totallybushed]

21. It's always good

to look at the other side of a problem.

[Critters2]

27. Wandering off-topic, I know

but...my brother has Aspberger Syndrome. His odd behaviors and awkwardness made him the constant target of bullies. It was NEVER his fault. He would have stayed in his own corner, in his own world, if he could have. BUt our asshole principal thought like you, and told teachers to leave my brother alone, so he'd "toughen up".

I'll bet the Tour de France testing types would find too much testosterone in your blood.

[win_in_06]

6. To me a Peacekeeping force is a band-aid and a burden on the UN

I'd rather allow Israel to establish a buffer zone so that Hezbollah cannot launch missiles into their populace.

[Son Of Spy]

11. Ohhh Yessss (snort!)

Heaven forbid the UN get involved to keep the peace in the world! :sarcasm:

Say! Waddya know? Take a look at their charter!
http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/chapter7.htm


Article 39
The Security Council shall determine the existence of any threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression and shall make recommendations, or decide what measures shall be taken in accordance with Articles 41 and 42, to maintain or restore international peace and security.

[win_in_06]

14. The UN does not effectively keep the peace

[God Almighty]

8. Cease-fire. Later arrest leaders of Israel for crimes against humanity

The leaders of Israel belong on prison for exactly what the NAZIs were arrested for.

[win_in_06]

15. What about the leaders of Hezbollah?

Commonly known as the Presidents of Iran and Syria?

[FILAM23]

22. If anyone is guilty of war cimes

in this conflict it is Hezballah, Israel is only defending itself.

[Critters2]

28. Against children? eom

[Greyhound]

9. Other.

How about an agreement with Russia, China, and France (the 3 largest arms dealers on the planet), to disarm both sides, and let them work it out themselves. There is no "right" side, there are no "good guys", and there is no win on the horizon. This whole mess is a lose-lose for everybody involved, so I say we should listen to W.O.P.E.R. when it comes to the conclusion that "the only way to win is not to play".

[OneTwentyoNine]

12. Well if your a big ass Oil Baron.....

Keep firing those fucking missles guys!! Gas has gone up another .18 cents over this latest BS "conflict".

[caligirl]

13. crate W, Dick, Condi, Laura and Joe off to Lebanon for a

permanent vacation. Got any roses Hizbollah?

[oc2002]

18. Hezbollah is not the only terrorists in this conflict, Israel clearly has

crossed the line shelling indescriminately and killing hundreds if not thousands. The fact is Israel has lost any support from most people in this invasion, and they may finaly be exposed to be as evil as any terrorist groups out there in thier own way. However, I doubt it, as AIPAC is very influential in maintaining the MSM on its strict talking points.

Hezbollah = terroists...

Irael = victime..

Any deviations will be punished.

[MGD]

19. Israel needs to stop with the bombing and fight their enemy face-to-face

They can't win with bombs anyways and way too many innocent Lebanese have already died which ends up being highly counterproductive as well as morally/ethically wrong(I think the 300 estimate is bullshit BTW). They need to fight Hezbollah with rifles, machineguns, and grenades. Their airpower can surely be used to great effect in a close air support role but I think that Hezbollah has effectively countered Israeli air superiority in its current form and Israel just doesn't want to admit it for several fairly obvious reasons. They can keep it up and severely weaken Hezbollah, but the cost will be more than they can bear I think. Of course, when you have nuclear weapons, you can get away with things that other countries can't get away with so maybe they can afford the cost.

[OregonDem]

23. Israel isn't completely innocent in this,

but they needed to do something about a terrorist orginaztion that is targeting Isreali civilians and hiding behind other innocent people. It certainly is a tragedy that Lebanon (a democratic nation in its infancy) isn't powerful enough to take care of Hezbollah itself and who is currently paying a horrible cost in this war. If Israel hadn't begun to shell and bomb cities it would have the international support to root them out.
However that being said, do you think that it is ethical for Israel to destroy those bridges, highways, and Beruit's airport if it prevented Syria and Iran from shipping more weapons to Hezbollah
which would only prolong the war and make it more bloody. Or is it unethical because it is destroying Lebanon's infrastucture and creating pain and hardship for the Lebanese who didn't want to be part of this war?

[citizen snips]

24. cease fire

n/t

[Zhade]

25. Wow, 15% support the tactics Nazis used.

15% support collective punishment of innocent Lebanese?

Well, 15% troll rate sounds about right.

[oberliner]

29. the tactics nazis used? nt

[leftofthedial]

26. The US should immediately sell

hundreds of short-range nukes to Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas