|
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend Bookmark this thread |
This topic is archived. |
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) |
Sam Odom (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 11:40 AM Original message |
Let's cut through the SH*T : 'Illegal immigrants' and USA voting |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
liberaliraqvet26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
1. No. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 11:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Because we have illegal employers. Thom Hartmann wants to |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Burma Jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
2. Nope |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Sam Odom (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 11:58 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Local matters |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
El Fuego (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 12:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Many childless people think they shouldn't be taxed to pay for schools |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Sam Odom (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 12:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Proposition F : Noncitizen Voting in School Board Elections |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
El Fuego (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 12:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. It lost, but it would have been challenged in court if it had won. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Sam Odom (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 12:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. 48.55% Voted "YES" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 12:20 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Many childless couples realize that their social security checks will |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
El Fuego (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 12:47 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. U.S. citizens aren't allowed to vote in jurisdictions where they are not |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 01:44 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. But residence and not "state nationality" is enough for state and local |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 12:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. This is a big issue in SF. I saw a story about a school where almost |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Burma Jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 12:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. And many citizens do not believe these kids should even be in school |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 12:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. ...and often the students suffering ARE US citizens and we need them to |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
El Fuego (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 01:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. How are the students "suffering"? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 01:46 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Why should American children of non-citizens have to get an inferior edu- |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
El Fuego (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. But why would it be inferior? They're getting the same education |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:12 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Because a tiny fraction of the people who live in the school district |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
El Fuego (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:25 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. You're calling for a revolution to overthrow Americans? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:41 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. By turning the table like that, I'll assume you don't have an argument any |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
3. NO! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Sam Odom (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
4. For those saying "NO" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 12:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
19. The way we always have |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Sam Odom (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 12:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. But... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 04:16 PM Response to Reply #29 |
47. I disagree - zenophobia's run our immigration policy more often than not |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
5. No - and no matter where you stand on the larger issue, on this point .... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
6. No, if they had the right to vote they then would be citizens and not |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
7. US citizenship wasn't a prerequisite for voting until about 100 year ago. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 12:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
22. And the prerequisite before that was owning land |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 12:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Voters also had to be Male and White 100 years ago - |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 01:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. They added citizenship for the same reasons they wanted to keep race and |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 04:00 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. That might have been true for an "immigrant" nation |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 04:16 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. To maintain power for the powerful? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
El Fuego (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
10. Of course not. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
11. In Europe, IIUC, any European citizen can vote in the local EU elections, |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
15. If documented workers can't, why should illegals? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
16. No |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
25. No. Lets document them legalize them and then they can vote. nt. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
26. No - |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
28. NO |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
30. No |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
31. No |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
33. Deleted message |
1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
37. Taxation without represenation, anyone? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. I'm not. I think, if we take their taxes, they get a vote. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:22 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. I say citizenship should only be a requirement for national elections, |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 04:38 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. How would clerks, etc. know who to tax and who not to tax? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
43. Absolutely not, to even propose it is absurd. n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
44. no. edited to add more below |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 06:53 AM Response to Original message |
50. Of course not. Do you suppose if I show up at the polls in |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 07:17 AM Response to Original message |
51. No, nor should they be included in the census in any way shape or form. nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) | Tue Apr 30th 2024, 02:18 AM Response to Original message |
Advertisements [?] |
Top |
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) |
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators
Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.
Home | Discussion Forums | Journals | Store | Donate
About DU | Contact Us | Privacy Policy
Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.
© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC