the Senate Dems Iraq policies: a total f**king disgrace

[welshTerrier2]

everyone is so candidate focused on DU ... well, let me say that this a directed at every Democrat who has not called for the immediate withdrawal from Iraq ... every one of them is a disgrace ...

get this straight: everyday we remain in Iraq enables bush and his corporate, Big Oil friends to further their agenda more easily ... stop talking to me about staying a bit longer to accomplish anything but HELPING BUSH ... got that? got it good and clear???

to be clear, "immediate withdrawal" here is being used to mean as quickly as we can get out while protecting the safety of our troops ... period ...

i couldn't be more disgusted with those offering "out in a year" crap or "we can't give you a date" crap ... these people are doing nothing but furthering bush's agenda ... i am done with all these bogus candidates ... we need to replace each and every one of them with candidates who will tell us the truth ...

and John Kerry, who earlier called for "immediate withdrawal" by May 22 if the Iraqis didn't form an "effective unity government" has now pushed the date first to 12/31/06 and then AGAIN back to 7/1/07, is clearly not telling us the truth ... does he really want to argue that Iraq has an effective unity government????? do you?????

what we need are Democrats who are not afraid to tell the American people the only reason bush is in Iraq ... what we need are Democrats who will say that the Iraqi government is a US puppet and that we should not allow the bush administration to exploit another country that way ... oh, but nooooo ... that would be "lefty extremism" ... sorry, but it would also be the truth !!!

if you want to defend any particular candidate, you better read this first ... if you want to argue with what the following article says isn't the truth, make your case ... otherwise, tell your "i won't tell Americans the truth" candidate he should be replaced by a Democrat who will ...

oh, and, of course, if your candidate's position is just a bunch of ineffective political bullshit, just acknowledge it ... it's time for us to be a party that tells the truth ... if we're fighting to regain political power, we should do it by leading the country by telling the people the truth ... idiotic one year plans or "we can't just leave" plans fail to accept the damage that bush has done and plans to continue to do to Iraq ... the only way to stop him is to rally the American people, after we tell them the truth, to demand we get the hell out of Iraq ... not in one year, not when "things stabilize", not when "enough Iraqis are trained" - it's all bullshit!!! stop supporting candidates who won't tell us the truth ...

here's someone who will tell the truth ... as always, i encourage you to read Dahr Jamail's entire article ... there's way too much here to post it all on DU ... here are a few excerpts:

source: http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_allen_l__060629_truth_about_iraq_qua.htm

It is amazing to witness that people, even many within the anti-war movement in the US, seem willing to believe anything presented by Maliki, including this "plan." A man who was inserted into his position after Jack Straw and Condoleezza Rice visited Baghdad in order to brush Jaafari, the prime minister chosen by the supposedly-elected Iraqi parliament, aside. Do we need any clearer evidence of who pulls the strings of Maliki? <skip>

In addition, the Iraqi government's "army," composed of various sectarian and/or ethnic groups, rather than being an effective, cohesive military, is nothing more than a haphazard collage of militias and death squads loyal only to their own various militia or religious leaders. <skip>

Juhasz added that if there isn't massive change in Iraq soon, all of the US imposed economic contracts (25-40 year contracts), will effectively eviscerate what is left of the demolished Iraqi economy.

In two months, laws will be passed by the puppet government, and six months after this the contracts of the Western companies, (read "Big Oil") will be implemented.

"Production Sharing Agreements (PSA's) are what the Bush administration and the corporations they serve want," Juhasz told me, "This enables the US oil companies to have control and access to oil that they didn't have access to before the war. And as we all know, that is what this has been about all along."

She added that the permanent military bases in Iraq are to be used for providing security for the oil companies. When one looks at the tragic situation on the ground in Iraq today, it is and always has been clear that the objective of the US military in Iraq has never had anything to do with providing security to the Iraqi people. <skip>

[unkachuck]

1. I don't understand....

....why there isn't more outrage and demand to get out of Iraq NOW....the whole 'war' is a lie....why would Americans tolerate this bogus 'war'?....is corporate America that powerful?....

....I don't understand the American people....I don't understand most Democrats....if there ever was a more clear moral and politic issue of our time, the Iraq 'war' is it, and on so many levels....

....great post....

[welshTerrier2]

2. yikes ... a response ...

one has to wonder about DU's candidate supporters ... i mean, surely DU'ers know what's really going on in Iraq ...

my view is that they tap dance and twist and contort to justify what their candidate has done ... i honestly don't believe, although of course there are a few exceptions, that progressive Democrats on DU don't know that we shouldn't be in Iraq another day and that their candidates are NOT getting it done ...

I hope you read Dahr's entire article ... it was very powerful and deeply troubling ... Iraq is all about oil ... the longer we stay, the more bush screws the Iraqis ... and all we get from Democrats in the Senate is their political game playing ... it's just disgraceful ...

thanks for response !!

[welshTerrier2]

3. tough to get responses when most "candidates" blew it

i guess no one felt like defending the moronic views on Iraq of the Senate Dems ... maybe we'll have to take them on one at a time in another thread ...

and, of course, it really isn't fair to leave out other "presidential maybes" who are Governors or TV commentators or whatever ...

no one should escape every damned ounce of criticism they deserve ...

truthfully, i don't know how these people can look anyone in the eye at this point ... they are either fully complicit with bush's evil OR they are too cowardly to call it by its real name ... shame on all of them !!

[blm]

4. Kerry pushed it back to July because Feingold and others said they would

join him on a withdrawal plan if he pushed it back to July 2007. They weren't comfortable in arguing for the Dec 2006 date. Kerry gave them that allowance which brought on 7 more senators to stand with them.

Sorry you see it as lying, welsh - that's pretty harsh when the facts show compromise to get a stronger showing for the debate that DID happen.

You would have preferred silence?

[welshTerrier2]

5. what i see as lying ...

is knowing that the current Iraqi government is a total US puppet and refusing to say that to the American people ... there is no "effective unity government" ... i'm more than certain Kerry knows this ...

i truly hope you read Dahr's full article ... i found it devastating ... we are exploiting the hell out of the Iraqis ... one or two Democrats dance around the "comfortable edges" of the truth by talking about windfall profits or oil subsidies but "none dare call it imperialism" ...

let's say the accusation i'm making is "lying by omission" ...

and btw, with regard to Kerry's positions-du-jour, i would have had NO problem with his amendment if he had ALSO told the American people the truth and had honored his commitment for "immediate withdrawal" ... the "convenient politics" doesn't wash with me ...

when are we going to get representatives who aren't afraid to tell the truth?????

let me ask you a very simple question: do you believe the Iraqi government, when push comes to shove, is or is not autonomous?? do you believe bush, or at least Washington, is calling the shots in Iraq?

this is the constant revulsion i have with some in the Democratic Party ... if Kerry's parade of "out dates" is political pragmatism, fine ... play your little games ... we can disagree on TACTICS and TIMING ...

but that does not absolve anyone from telling the truth ... if our representatives fail to educate voters about what's really happening, we need to replace them ... how can we ever convince anyone we should be trusted with power when all we're doing is "working the system" instead of telling the truth ...

there sure isn't much of that coming out of the Democrats in the Senate ...

i really have to wonder whether any of them believes we are closer to having a functioning Iraqi government or an Iraqi army ... they can't be serious ... what's likely to happen next is bush will demonstrate how strong the "independent" Iraqi government is by honoring their calls for US troop reductions ... until after the elections, of course ...

after that, all bets are off ... it will probably take a permanent occupation force of around 50,000 or so to guard the fledgling oil installations ... truly Democrats are endorsing bush's greed and madness ... where oh where has the opposition party gone???