Why is Mark Warner Richard Perle's (PNAC) second favorite Democrat??

[Douglas Carpenter]

for the presidential race in 2008. His first is Joe Lieberman.

Please let me say that I'm genuinely interested in what Gov.Warner has to say about foreign policy. But what I have hear so far does not sound very encouraging. IE: his comments at the Kos convention in Las Vegas:link: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/11/03338/1129

from: A New "Perle Harbor": Neocon Foreign Policy Architect Richard Perle reveals US War Plans in the Iranian Theater

By Dr. Michael Carmichael

June 7, 2006
link:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/PrintArticle.php?articleId=2596

"When a perceptive student asked about his preferences for the next president of the United States, Perle made some riveting remarks. He immediately stated his hope that Senator Joseph Lieberman would be the Democratic candidate. Failing that miracle, Perle hopes former Governor Mark Warner will win the Democratic nomination. Perle warmly praised both right-leaning Democrats who are doyens of the Democratic Leadership Council. Richard Giuliani is Perle’s favorite Republican. When asked about potential presidential candidates who would cause him concern, Perle swiftly reeled off a long list of Democrats led by Governor Howard Dean, followed closely by Senator John Kerry, former Vice President Al Gore, former Senator John Edwards, and he finished his list of neoconservative hate figures with a revealing comment about Senator Hillary Clinton.

It is hardly secret that Senator Clinton has attempted to appeal to the Israeli right. When she visited Israel, she condemned the Palestinians, but Perle was not impressed. Quite the contrary, Perle said that while she had made some smart moves in her attempt to appeal to the right, the left did not believe her. This comment gave the clear impression that Perle did not believe her, either. Criticizing other Democrats, Perle said that Senator John Kerry, “did not understand power,” and was not able to perform the duties of the president of America. In his form of damnation by faint praise, Perle said that Howard Dean was a much nicer man off the podium than on it – and he gave him pride of place at the top of his most worrisome Democratic politicians.

The love affair between Perle’s base in Likud on the hard line Israeli right and the neoconservatives of both US political parties is alive and kicking. Perle has long been associated with Likud that has been reduced to a weak rump huddling around Benjamin Netanyahu in the new Knesset. As a close associate of Netanyahu, Perle is seen as Likud’s top-ranking advocate in Europe and America with his tentacles into both political parties, the Bush White House, the Pentagon and many other leading institutions. Next year, it would not be surprising to find Perle’s name on contributors lists to Giuliani, Lieberman and Warner."

link to full article:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/PrintArticle.php?articleId=2596
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"I think of war with Iran as the ending of America's present role in the world. Iraq may have been a preview of that, but it's still redeemable if we get out fast. In a war with Iran, we'll get dragged down for 20 or 30 years. The world will condemn us. We will lose our position in the world."

Zbigniew Brzezinski, Vanity Fair, 2006.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

1. I would pay to see this chickenhawk fuckstick serve in Iraq.

[TomClash]

2. "Senator John Kerry did not understand power"

What a joke. Brzezinski certainly understands power and he opposed the Iraq War.

Richard Perle understands power all right - Likud power. How can he be on the Defense Policy Board, an appointee of hte President of the United States, and advocate the interest of a foreign political party?

[karynnj]

3. Maybe Kerry uderstands that might does not make right

I far prefer Kerry's view that war should be rare as he said in a foreign policy speech in Ireland this year. (or a last resort as he said in 2004.) I somehow think that Perle also knows that Kerry is among the least likely people to listen to him.

[Douglas Carpenter]

4. that probably sums it up

[blm]

8. Kerry understands it, that's why he believes America should have OPEN BOOK

GOVERNMENT. The power should be through the CITIZENS - WELL-INFORMED CITIZENS.

And THAT is why so many Republicans AND so many Democrats fear a Kerry presidency.

[iconoclastNYC]

5. Good question. Another one: Why do so many bloggers kiss Warner's ring?

[blm]

9. Cuz Warner has been greasing them up for a LOOOOONG time.

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[lastknowngood]

6. Because he's not a democrat. Look people we need to accept the

fact that a large number of politicos who call themselves dem's are in fact just repugs. It's a win win for the fascists, they put up a psychotic right winger as the repug and a conservative repug as the Dem and they win either way. We need to realize just because someone calls themselves a dem don't make it so. Get a clue there is only one party because half of the so called dems are in fact repugs and on the take just like the other corp poodles.

[kiahzero]

7. I laughed

Amazing that someone right next door could be so ignorant of Virginia politics.

[Douglas Carpenter]

10. kik

[Sparkly]

11. Who is "Richard Giuliani?"

:shrug:

[RDU Socialist]

19. i think the author was subtlely calling rudy a dick

[Placebo]

12. I like Mark Warner.

You should like Mark Warner too.

[trayfoot]

13. Mark Warner

was a good Virginia governor! I do not ubnderstand the criticism of him at this point. He is a conservative Democrat - nothing wrong with that. He went a long way in resurrecting Virginia after the Gilmore and Allen debacles! Give him a chance.

[Placebo]

15. Well I wouldn't call him Conservative.

He's a moderate former governor from the south. And I agree that people should at least give him a chance.

[Douglas Carpenter]

14. I would just like to know where Gov. Warner is at on foreign policy issues

that's all...

I spent hours and hours trying to look for clues and could find almost nothing except vague generalities and this:

1. He heaped praise upon Peter Beinart's latest book, "The Good Fight" which advocates a highly interventionist-highly militaristic worldview.

2. This article from the daily kos regarding comments he made regarding Venezuela and Iran - link: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/11/03338/1129

3. And a number of sites quoting the comment listed above by Richard Perle; a man who did not have anything good to say about any other Democrat - even centrist/DLC Democrats except Sen. Lieberman.

I am not saying that these point disqualify Gov. Warner. If he wants to lead the most powerful country in the history of the world, he should let the world know where he stands on foreign policy issues.

I just hope he clarifies his foreign policy positions soon. That's all.

[Placebo]

16. Well...

The Beinart book is actually good for our side in that it clearly makes the case that liberals and progressives are the only ones who can fight the war on terror effectively, and the only thing interventionist about it, which I don't believe is interventionist at all, is saying that America should be promoting freedom and equality all over the world. He doesn't advocate invasions or military action against any specific countries, or in general, as far as I know.

And I take solace in the fact that Warner views Hugo Chavez as part of the problem more than the solution. I mean, we can't forget that for his few successes, Chavez first tried to stage a military coup to gain power, that corruption under his government is rampant at best, that he extended presidential term lengths, and that there have been numerous human rights violations perpetrated against his political opponents by his government.

[Douglas Carpenter]

17. well I don't want to get sidetracked into a discussion of Hugo Chavez

but the factual record simply does not support the blatantly dishonest American media anti-Chavez hype or Gov. Warner's comments. The article from kos addresses those issue quite well:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/11/03338/1129
I have also posted on this subject before:http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Douglas%20Carpenter/145

In the grand total of Mr. Beinart's writing it is quite clear that he does support a highly interventionist worldview that resorts to obvious plays on the emotions of anti-Arab/anti-Muslim racism and jingoism. This I find quite dangerous. I genuinely fear the possibility of being lead into another grand catastrophe in Iran that would make our current problems in Iraq look like a Sunday school picnic. I have posted my thoughts on Mr. Beinart's book before: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Douglas%20Carpenter/132

All that being said. I would just like to hear what Gov. Warner has to say about foreign policy. Maybe if he would clarify his positions I might discover that its not that bad. I would only wish he would clarify. That's all.

[unkachuck]

18. for a simple person like me....

....it's easy, the more Richard Perle likes someone, the more I hate them....

[wiley]

20. Rudy is a hard core right wing zealot who just found

the extreme profitability of deceiving and fleecing fervent religious believers. Don't EVER believe he is a moderate or a anything less than a criminal. He's just like all the other Republicans. Oh, and Ken Mehlman gave an hysterical pleas for the 06 elections and Republican money. Nasty little boys we're dealing with here.

[Douglas Carpenter]

21. ,

[mhatrw]

22. I guess Dean deserves the Presidential nod, then.

Anybody who worries Perle looks a lot better to me.