Does anyone else think a lot of repukes are indirectly tricking us

[cboy4]

into getting our hopes up that we can take back congress and ultimately, the presidency?

I mean, polls indeed indicate there appears to be considerable discontent on the right.

But why do I keep thinking they're just bitching and moaning now, but when push comes to shove and they stare at that crooked Diebold computer screen in November, they're gunna vote GOP down the board like the robotic idiots that they are.

I may be wrong. I think we have some nice momentum and there's no question some GOP candidates will be in for the fights of their lives.

However, there's a part of me that is more than just a little bit concerned about another fundie dash for the polls.

AND, we really haven't started seeing the full extent of the pre-election Swift Boat-type evil nastiness from Rove & Co. (with perhaps the exception of the usual gay marriage wedge issue crap).

[freexone]

1. keep your eyes peeled!

Rove hasn't been in the forefront in a while so he is more than likely
screwing with districts and voting machines again. His case was postponed
last I heard so his time has been free dup for this. WATCH OUT!!

And yes, I think some of the right wing disconnect is pure bull-shite. Arlen Spector
was all up in arms about Cheney and the NSA but ALL OF THE SUDDEN he is fine with it
after speaking to Cheney over the weekend??? Maybe Cheney had Rove to make sure Spector's
voting area was coated with Diebold robots to spit out Repuke results for Arlen....

[Totally Committed]

2. Indirectly? No...

Directly. Yes.

We have to outwork them, energize the electorate, register and get out the vote, and fund-raise our hearts out if we are going to win. They are hoping we'll take the bait, sit back and relax.

TC

Edited to add: We need to work to get the voting machines out of the mix. Voter fraud is a Republican "value" they don't mind sharing every chance they get!

[cboy4]

4. Wow, that's interesting!! You mean you think they're telling pollsters

they're angry with republicans as a ploy so we take the bait and let our guard down?

I never thought of it that way.

[Totally Committed]

5. Think about it this way....

They think nothing of using their churches to organize the vote and get out their "message". They think nothing of discouraging people of color from voting by making it as hard and as long a process as possible -- and they do it with a large number of Republican poll workers. They rig voting machines -- the voting machines don't rig themselves. Republicans are in on the "fix"... right down to the Sunday morning "worshippers" who just sit there and listen to the "message".

TC

[cboy4]

8. Well, in that regard, I absolutely agree with you

23 percent.

(I wanted to say I absolutely agree with you 100 percent but the Diebold computer I'm using won't let me dammit) LOL!

[Totally Committed]

12. They all know EXACTLY what to say and who to say it to...

I believe they are lying to us, right down to the last one. And, the media is a real factor in this as well.

TC

[Canuckistanian]

3. The numbers will tell

The survey polls and the exit polls. Now that there's been a few articles, especially RFK's, the meme is out there. The GOP cheats. Ordinary people are staring to pay attention.

The mid-terms will be the litmus test. Any GOP shenanigans is going to be reported on. And why? Because now, it will sell papers. And magazines. And airtime.

And the excuses for this bad GOP behaviour from the usual gang of RW commentators will seem more and more ludicrous.

After that, I have no clue what will happen next.

If they steal the mid-terms AND the result is close AND it's obvious they cheated,
then what?

Faced with this kind of futility, I think some people might consider taking their own actions.

[Tesla]

7. Support your Congressional and Senatorial candidates as best you can

we need to take back at least 1 house or we are doomed!!

Here in Ohio election fraud is the norm anymore, heck our secratary of state is running for govenor!
He counts the votes!!( I wonder who will win that one):sarcasm:

All we can do is try our best and try to be as vigilant as we are still allowed to be.
I'm afraid if we lose this time, we will not be able to have free elections again!

I'm scared about what the future is for my kids, that's why I'm working to get someone in a blue seat!!!




www.studebakerforcongress.com

[bowens43]

6. Of course the republicans are going to vote republican.

And the Democrats will vote for Democrats. The election will be won by the party that can get the votes of the Independents (assuming that the repugs don't cheat again).

[cboy4]

9. You're assuming the repugs don't cheat again??

:crazy: No offense! LOL!!

[bluerum]

10. Assume you have been infiltrated by them in every way. There

is no trick, no deception, no lie that they will not employ.

They will break the law and steal votes in any way that they can.

This has been demonstrated again and again.

Please, do not be fooled again.

[Totally Committed]

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[cboy4]

14. Blah Blah Blah. You right wing fundamentalist christian conservative

Freeper nuts overflow with so much hate and ignorance, it's pathetic.

And yea hunn, you are a robotic idiot. I'm pleased you admitted it.

[unpossibles]

15. question

But if you have a party which is fairly lock-step with itself (how often do they disagree on something?), does changing the names actually change the things which you find distasteful? have the Republicans ever really served your purposes well either?

I am not trying to flame bait, btw; actually curious. Does spending money we don't have make any more sense than "tax and spend"? And would you agree that we waste a lot more money on many things - like the military - than on supposed "entitlement" programs?

Is there no reasonable excuse for spending money on infrastructure and education, or do you believe in privatizing everything?

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[unpossibles]

18. hm

Well, I agree with you on one thing (as far as I can tell): "Politics by nature are distasteful."

Not to be rude, but your post is extremely difficult to read, but I will refrain from making any snarky comments about education being important. For now.

Republicans have really served my purpose. They have taken up seats that would otherwise be held by democrats

On its own, this statement is pretty useless and belies your statement about how politics are distasteful.

I was not referring to the Clinton era surpluses at all, but merely to the idea that if you have any programs, they must be paid for, and that there is waste and unaccounted for losses at such a higher level in defense than any so-called entitlement programs, that to defend them seems ridiculous. I have no problem with having a standing volunteer army for defense, but that is not what we have. We spend at least half of our national income taxes on the military, and much of that is bureaucratic waste and black budget horse shit. Then there are the billions of dollars being poured down the drain in a war that has nothing to do with defense, so don't try to redefine what we're discussing.

Let's say your budget can only you to finance one of the following:

a. A house to shelter you and your family or,

b. Your oldest son's education.

a smart person would seek to either increase their income, thus increasing their budget, or to reduce the cost of either or both choices by buying a smaller home, tightening the belt and/or finding a cheaper method of education.

To continue your analogy, your party instead takes out a lot of high-interest credit cards which it has no plan on paying in order to buy a house that it doesn't need and an over-priced private education for the hypothetical son, who despite all of that still can't find Ohio, much less help lead America back to the cutting edge it once held.

Does that make sense? And you have not said which you would prefer: I would assume by your post you advocate the housing over the education, but you better get a large enough house to keep the son when he can't find a job because he is uneducated....

As for "Our government is not good at much" - if it was bad before, it is downright horrible now.

I guess you're saying you're a Republican for monetary reasons then. I am fine with that, although I have to question how you can be for less government in your wallet, but more in your bedroom, in your telephone, in your computer, and in your life in general.

Yes, competition is good for individuals and for society, as are goals. That said, however, we do not exist in a vacuum. Ask Louis XVI how it worked for him to constantly ignore the people at the expense of the over-class.

Your party has done nothing but give welfare (or "entitlement" as you put it) to the people who need it least in the form of tax cuts, deregulation, cronyism, and legislation designed to serve the Haves and the Have Mores. I would have to assume you are one of those then, that you are in the top 10% of Americans, if you claim they have helped you. And I also have to assume that giving up your freedoms and making steps toward a theocracy are worth an extra few hundred dollars, and that you have no children who will need to pay for the debt someday.

[BigYawn]

22. At the risk of sounding right wing...let me state a few FACTS

Fact 1 > The entitlement spending is far larger than defense spending

Fact 2 > Defense budget can be frozen or even rolled back in bad years
but the entitlement budget grows relentlessly as the law stands.

Fact 3 > Every year the proportion of older people (over 65) gets bigger
than those under 65. Which means fewer and fewer workers have to support
more and more retired people.

Fact 4 > Medicare spending is growing more than twice as fast as inflation.

Am I glad I don't expect to be living when Socoal Security goes broke. But
I need Medicare and that will go broke even sooner. Scary as hell.

[unpossibles]

23. seriously?

Do you have a link? All of the charts I've seen, the Pentagon gets about half of our tax income, and that didn't even include the war. Are you including things like Social Security?

So we spend more on welfare and medicare than Iraq ($5.8 Billion a month)?


http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_cost_111804,00.html?ESRC=eb.n

[BigYawn]

24. I am never good at saving links since my knowledge is based mostly on

reading newspapers and news magazines, watching TV news, and Internet news.

But here is my recollection of aproximate numbers:

The total federal budget is around 2 Trillion+. Military budget
is roughly 550 Billion. The rest goes to education, social programs,
welfare, and entitlements. Iraq war is costing 80 to 100
Billion but most of that is payroll for the personnel serving in Iraq.
Most of them would still be on military payroll regardless of where
they serve. The money spent on military hardware is overwhelmingly
paid to US based companies, which is dollars flowing into US economy.
That could be the reason the economy has stayed buoyant last 3 years.

The real Iraq related spending is the money allocated for reconstruction
projects in Iraq. I believe that is in the neighborhood of 12 Billion/year.

[arcane1]

19. spending money on education is a waste?

I am not at all surprised that you feel that way

[xxqqqzme]

17. It's all about

GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV GOTV If we can do that, we cannot be denied, no matter how the machines are rigged.

There were 50,000 no show Democrats in the California 50th District race (Busby) IF just 10% of the no shows had moved their ass to a polling place or mailed in the absentee ballot - Busby would be going 2 DC.

[cboy4]

20. Well, I don't disagree with you there....

that's for sure.

[NVMojo]

21. yes, they are masters at "reverse marketing"