OK, read these 3 articles, and tell me we have a prayer

[Doctor_J]

BUzzflash Saturday good news edition:

Reagan appointee blesses domestic spying:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060610/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/appeals_court_fbi;_ylt=AqI5v2bzr.K9aJhT7_bYeJus0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

The internet will soon be controlled by right wingers, just like TV, radio, and newspapers:

http://www.freepress.net/press/release.php?id=148

Smirk to decide whether there will be an investigation into Halliburton looting:

http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff06072006.html

It's all over, folks. There is no one to speak for the people, no one to carry out justice.

[lonehalf]

1. These Presidents would have.

President Dean

President Gore

President Kerry

[Doctor_J]

2. Yep, and the media decided it would be better

to have a mean, stupid, drunken, ignorant loser in the White House. and, the truth be told, they don't seem to have any regrets about it. When did we lose?

[donsu]

4. we lost with the 2000 coup d'etat

we won't get it back

[shifting_sands]

3. Who will stand for the People?

Yes there are leaders who will speak for the people, and that is the people. We are the leaders we've been waiting for. Leadership, true leadership usually doesn't step into a position that is neatly tied up and easy to do. Think of the true leaders, they are innovative, buck the odds. In the late 60's there was a hippie and his wife who sold tea on street corners in Boulder, CO. At that time, in this country, basically Lipton and Nestea had the market tied up, they owned it and they had owned the tea market in this country for decades. Slowly that hippie in Boulder, with the help of a demand of the people in Colorado grew. First to small health food stores, then small grocery stores and then big food markets, then nationally and finally internationally. Celestial Seasonings changed the face of tea, much as Starbucks changed how we see coffee.

We may be working against all odds, but we are not working against impossible odds We, the people, are obviously the leaders we've been waiting for, and anyone can stand up and support that leadership. We have spent six years running around saying "the sky is falling" well it hasn't fallen yet and until it does there are opportunities to move forward and in a sense become Celestial Seasonings.

By the way, I had friends in the late 60's who kept warning those of us who bought tea on the street corner from that hippie that we were crazy to buy from a hippie, but by the 80's everyone in the world was buying from Mo Seigel because of those that kept buying on the corner.

Please let's stop whining and start doing, selling our message on every street corner.

[WA98296]

5. I agree, the only left is the reality setting in with the masses, That's..

why the Borders are getting set up for big security....to keep us in.
They're going to need bodies to carry out their wars.

[bananas]

6. Things have been worse.

"We are all Black and Living in Jim Crow: Why We Need to March"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x432839

[shifting_sands]

7. follow the leader

We can either follow the leader or find a leader to follow.
All of our fear of what is happening has placed us in the catagory of "follow the leader." Is that what we want?

[Warpy]

8. One person at a time, talking to as many people as s/he can

will spread the word pretty efficiently.

Dozens of tribes with three different linguistic groups and many dialects within these groups managed a revolt in 1680 using a knotted piece of string. All tribes rose in unison and the Spanish were kicked out of the region for nearly two decades, after which they were allowed back if they promised to learn some manners and act as a stabilizing influence.

The Revolutionary War was fought using street corner speakers and leaflets called broadsides, delivered slowly by horse and ship.

Antiwar people in the 60s relied on letters, the telephone, and mimeographed leaflets from stencils cut by hand and typewritten.

We can overthrow totalitarianism without modern conveniences if only we have the will to do it.

[Doctor_J]

9. I don't really see it.

Besides the articles referenced in my OP, how are we going to stop Whitewell from fixing the OH elections? Take that one simple example. He's untouchable - above the law. He's brazenly purging voter rolls, forcing voter registration organizations out of existence, under-supplying Dem precincts with voting machines, and not even bothering to hide his crimes. And there is no one to stop him. So there is one simple example, on display for the entire world to see, which will take place 5 months from now. Explain to me how it will be stopped.

[donsu]

10. it won't be stopped

nt

[BeFree]

11. Instead...

...ask how you can stop it. Then do it.

Too, if enough people take responsibility for their vote, we will crush the bastards.

[Doctor_J]

13. I can't stop it - that's the point

And what do you mean by "take responsibility for their vote"? Whitewell has three levels of corruption for disenfranchising Dems in OH. He won't be denied.

[BeFree]

14. Ya know...

...with a comment like that all I could do is flame you to get any action. So, here goes... nah, nevermind. Have fun.

[donsu]

15. why would you flame #13 post? he speaks the truth

nt

[shifting_sands]

12. Blackwell

There are people fighting Blackwell and they need money to do so, check out Bradblog. Flood the state with letters to the editor supporting a change in voting machines get the facts of the damage Taft has done economically to the state and his level of corruption, and let people know that we know and see what is happening. Support other states in election voting machines and let Blackwell and Ohio stand alone. Support Strickland's campaign in whatever manner possible. If you live in Ohio volunteer to be an election day poll taker and document everything you see. But whatever is done, don't "go gently into the good night."

[ginnyinWI]

16. So much doom and gloom around here today!

One would think that some people at DU were trying to demoralize us...

[donsu]

17. no, just pointing out the reality of the situation

paper ballots, pen and counting with an audience is the only voting that may get dems/greens, etc. elected

[ginnyinWI]

18. I favor vote-by-mail, myself

It would solve a host of problems that we have with voting at the polls. Not perfect, but nothing is.