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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:34 AM
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All the pundits on CNN are talking about Kerry/Clark/Edwards in same
breath. As the frontrunners.
NOT ignoring him!
Forced to acknowledge the General.
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Bad Thoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:36 AM
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1. How sweet ...
... that they are compelled to say nice things about Clark now. It was an ugly victory, but a victory nonetheless.
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shindig Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 03:35 AM
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14. well, not really
I'm watching Charlie Rose now. The panelists are discussing only whether Edwards can beat Kerry.

Everywhere on tv tonight, Clark is mentioned as a basically meaningless afterthought, and even that is only occasionally.

And just now the female commentator has declared the end of the Clark candidacy.

I want to believe that none of the commentators are dileberately ignoring the fact that Edwards and Clark have gone up against each other in 8 states, with Clark beating Edwards in 5 of them.

That would include New Hampshire, Arizona, New Mexico, North Dakota and Oklahoma. Cark has already beaten Edwards in all of those states.

If Clark had gotten some good coverage, he would have won three more states tonight. North Dakota, Arizona, and New Mexico were for Clark until only recently. It seems like the people just "fell in line" and went against their original judgment, suddenly switching to Kerry. Clark, even though he did ok in New Hampshire, was sneered at or ignored all week, as usual, and yet still came in second in three states to go with his narrow win in Oklahoma.

With something even resembling a modicum of fair coverage, he would have came in first in the states where he had been leading, instead of second. Second is feeling sweet, however. Clark came in second three times tonight, despite the obvious biased coverage against him, and having noone anywhere in the media with the courage to defend his viability in this election and give some credit for his accomplishments, which are many.

For a man who gets zero coverage, except for the occasional dismissive sneer or comment, look how far he has come. If the media is forced to write a new script for the 2004 general election, one that includes General Clark in it, goodbye Bush! Thankfully, in our country, so far anyway, the people still get to have the final word on it. So far, they are doing pretty well.

Will someone please explain to me why it is that Edwards can be considered by the media as still in the running, while Clark is spoken of as done. I don't mean to say Clark doesn't have an uphill battle against both Edwards and Kerry. But, keeping in mind the results of the primaries through tonight, is it not disingenious of the press to keep Edwards alive versus Kerry, but declare Clark dead? What is the rationale for this type of "reporting?" There is none.

I find Wesley Clark as having earned every vote he's gotten. He receives three types of coverage: 1) smearing; 2) declarations that he is dead; 3) or no coverage at all. Despite all of this, he has beaten media golden boy John Edwards five out of eight times. Please don't misunderstand me. I like John Edwards. I like him alot. Watching him, I am even starting to love the way this guy is campaigning. He is my second choice. He is an impressive man. He's a warrior. That's what lawyers are you know.

I am very skeptical, however, that the country will put him in charge during a time when foreign relations is paramount. And I remain concerned about his lack of experience. What is his approach to foreign policy? He appears able to put political concerns in front of matters of life and death. I am extremely unhappy with his Iraq vote and what appears to me as a somewhat cavalier attitutde about the whole Iraq thing. I trust Clark much more in charge of our military and in our foreign relations. I agree with the 55 ambassadors and dignitaries from all seven continents, who want to see him as commander-in-chief.

IMHO only Clark and possibly Edwards have the potential to move Bush out of the White House. Remember, the Bush brigade is in moderate and compassionate mode now. Everything is relevant. This won't last. Things will change, big time, as soon as we have chosen our nominee. Can you say terror alert?

I still believe we will need a warrior type this time around in order to remove the unelected fraud from office. I see the right type of men in lawyer Edwards and general Clark. (And of course, Dr. Dean has the right idea!) Sharpton and Kucinich fight well too. But there just doesn't seem to be enough support to keep those guys in the running.

In Kerry, I see a man who will be severely impeded from putting up the necessary fight. I predict the same results we got with Dukakis and Mondale, if we go with Kerry. I would gladly be wrong in my prediction. Kerry over Bush is, to me, a great great victory, of course. I just don't it see it happening. Where will the crossover votes from anywhere south of New England come from? Will moderates and independents remove the incumbent president after the right wing mean machine finishes with Kerry? Is Kerry really up to the fight that lies ahead? I don't know.

But I think these establishment figures, including every commentator on the democratic side I've seen on television tonight, are doing our country a disservice by dismissing Wes Clark's first place finish in Oklahoma, and totally ignoring as irrelevant his seconds in ND,NM and AZ. It's very condescending to the many in several states who have supported and yes, even had the guts to vote for him. Poor, poor Wes! He should be feeling pretty good tonight. His wife rocks too!
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 11:29 AM
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16. Hi shindig!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:37 AM
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2. It's about FREAKING time ...
I'm soooooooooooooo mad at CNN for shunning Clark ...
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:41 AM
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3. I think it may be partly Clark's fault
I don't think he is quite sure how to get himself on tv yet as well as the others. Let's remember, he's only been doing this for a few months.

The cable networks had hours and hours to fill tonight. I'm sure they would have loved to had something to fill the time with. Clark needs to fill the vacuum.
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:44 AM
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4. Could you imagine what the outcome would have been
if the press had not been shunning Clark? My God he won with only his own advertising. Once people get to know him he is unbeatable. They are talking about a tough liberal. Kerry does not look like a tough liberal. Clark is the toughest liberal.
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 11:49 AM
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17. How about news, then?
Edwards gets the endorsement of a football coach, that's news. Clark gets the endorsements of 58 ambassadors and diplomats, that's not news.

I think you're right in your observation, partly, but the media is severely irresponsible in how it is covering this primary race. They should be ashamed of themselves, but it seems they have no shame.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:52 AM
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5. Yeah!!!
:bounce:

That's a Presidential Primary!!!
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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 01:04 AM
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6. Hey, they're grudgingly reporting on Clark even now.
He is not being ignored as he was after NH.
Again, it's slanted.
But he's not the invisible man.

Godamn I hope he wins something on Feb 7.
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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 01:07 AM
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7. OH god! Candy Crowley just used the term "strong showing for Clark"!!!
Hell has frozen over.
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bhunt70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 01:37 AM
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11. he must have promised her a box of cookies
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tameszu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 03:38 AM
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15. KEEP EMAILING CNN!!!!
It can work--we have the bloody facts on our side, so it's not Freeping.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:03 PM
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21. Candy wants to jump off the Dean Disaster
and cover a winner.
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Taeger Donating Member (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 01:27 AM
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8. It's a three horse race ...

Dean is out of it. Clark had some good second place finishes tonight in addition to Oklahoma.

Don't forget that Kerry will need a MAJORITY of votes to win the nomination. Clark and Edwards can pool their delegates together to form a combined ticket if this is the case at the convention.

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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 01:36 AM
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10. True, Edwards could decide who gets to be the nominee!!
*THAT* is the most interesting, insightful statement I've seen tonight.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 01:34 AM
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9. I won't believe it until I see/hear it for myself
Edited on Wed Feb-04-04 01:37 AM by krkaufman
> All the pundits on CNN are talking about
> Kerry/Clark/Edwards in same breath. As the
> frontrunners.

I won't believe it until I see/hear it for myself
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 01:39 AM
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12. Amazing!
Now just wait until Feb 10th for Virginia and Tennessee where he should do VERY well. This is only just beginning.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 01:39 AM
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13. We Democrats look strong tonight
Edited on Wed Feb-04-04 01:40 AM by bigtree

And unusually unified, despite the uncertain future.

ABB
:yourock:
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Tim_in_HK Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 11:55 AM
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18. In honor of this
everyone donate:

https://secure.clark04.com/

I just kicked in another $50 to the kitty.
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:00 PM
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19. That's excellent
I would point out Dean still has the second most delegates.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:03 PM
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20. That is deceptive.
He needs to win states or he wont have anything.
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Ivote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:09 PM
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22. One Ringy Dingy
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