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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 12:10 AM Original message |
Hollings says GDP "Enron-faked," we're in recession!!! |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
1. Basically, we're BORROWING our GDP? |
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norml (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
2. Cooking the books is not recommended, |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
3. In my state, it's illegal to run a deficit. The last Repup. Gov. did just |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 04:29 AM Response to Reply #3 |
17. That cretin Gilmore... n/t |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 10:37 AM Response to Reply #17 |
41. Oh, no, you said his name...:;) |
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lady lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
4. Paul Krugman just wrote a piece called |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 01:26 AM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Wow, that's a good piece too! |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 09:54 AM Response to Reply #12 |
36. Do Repukes have to lie about absolutely everything to sanitize |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 07:04 AM Response to Reply #4 |
26. This was an excellent Krugman article! |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
5. You have GOT to be shitting me! |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 12:43 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Good question! Apparently, China has more honest GDP numbers that lowball |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 12:48 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Wow. wow. wow. |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
6. Bush was marketed to the American people as a businessman... |
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liberalla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 04:38 AM Response to Reply #6 |
18. But he was a LOUSY businessman! And crooked too... |
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AuntiBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 09:24 AM Response to Reply #18 |
34. Doesn't it Drive One Batty how Anyone Could Have Voted |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 09:59 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Auntie, America DIDN't vote for them |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 10:18 AM Response to Reply #18 |
39. He was also making deals with BCCI and TERRORISTS as a private citizen. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 12:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
44. They were'n't able to sell it to America, were they. I don't know |
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liberalla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 04:40 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. I agree. That's maddening. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 05:33 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. All I'm saying is that we have to be more careful about even |
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cpamomfromtexas (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-05-06 03:38 PM Response to Reply #6 |
80. Most MBA degrees are not quantitative in nature. |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
9. More corroboration and some very scary numbers! |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 01:25 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. uh... Canada, too? |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 01:34 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Yeah, an accident of geography :( |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 01:53 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Thanks |
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TrogL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 11:25 AM Response to Reply #11 |
42. Canada has been diversifying its economy |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 01:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
46. employment |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 11:29 PM Response to Reply #9 |
70. languages |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-05-06 07:58 AM Response to Reply #9 |
73. That $46 Trillion Includes Future Payments |
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caligirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 01:15 AM Response to Original message |
10. great post, I've been trying to tell my hubby about this stuff. |
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tuvor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 02:20 AM Response to Original message |
15. K/R |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 02:28 AM Response to Original message |
16. Lots more stuff like this... |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 10:06 AM Response to Reply #16 |
38. Wow, what a fantastic link! |
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liberalla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 04:45 AM Response to Original message |
19. Really good thread. Lots of good links on the economy. |
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w8liftinglady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 06:18 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. thanks for that article..makes me shudder.... |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 06:12 AM Response to Original message |
20. I suspected so. |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 06:14 AM Response to Original message |
21. Deficit adding .72T$ toward GDP, M3 adding ?, Oil in Euros. TROUBLE! |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 08:01 AM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Why isn't this "M3 story" on the front pages of the financial news? |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 11:38 AM Response to Reply #29 |
43. Good question, I'd like to know just exactly *why* the M3 |
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nick303 (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 07:27 PM Response to Reply #43 |
63. The given reason is that it was not so useful |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-05-06 10:08 PM Response to Reply #63 |
81. Hmm, that official explanation is curious |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 02:30 PM Response to Reply #21 |
47. What does M3 stand for? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 04:46 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. It's an economic indicator... like unemployment or GDP... |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-05-06 02:42 PM Response to Reply #53 |
76. Thanks so much. |
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liberalla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 06:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. The M3 was primarily a measure of the amount of money (USD) |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-05-06 02:46 PM Response to Reply #57 |
77. Thanks for the information. Very illuminating. |
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anoraksia53 (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 06:22 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. M3 stands for the number of dollars that |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 07:14 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Thanks for the clear and concise post. |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-05-06 02:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
78. Another wonderful, informed person has joined DU. |
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nick303 (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 07:30 PM Response to Reply #47 |
64. M3 is the broadest definition of the money supply |
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anoraksia53 (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-05-06 03:08 AM Response to Reply #64 |
71. It's the US money stock |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-05-06 03:01 PM Response to Reply #64 |
79. Where is there a more amazing group of people than here at DU? |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 06:45 AM Response to Original message |
23. I'm hunching that Hollings is right, and off to the side of just agreeing |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 06:45 AM Response to Original message |
24. Bush break the law? Unlikely. He's got an executive order |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 07:58 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. "When the President does it, that means that it it is not illegal" |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 07:03 AM Response to Original message |
25. The trouble is |
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erpowers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
27. Deficit Number Right I Think |
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Onlooker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
30. This is worth forwarding |
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nickinSTL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
31. This is no great shock to me...but I'm glad someone's saying it |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
32. OK, now I'm depressed. |
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AuntiBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
33. Anyone Know how to Legitimately Invest |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 09:41 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Legitimately invest? As in with social conscience funds or just anything |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
40. We're so screwed |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
45. More tidbits on the unemployment calculation fraud |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
48. On the topic of picking up a language for expats in Europe |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
49. Not another dime to the phony war in Iraq. Now is time to |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
50. This article should be sent to EVERY media outlet - local and national. |
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CPMaz (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 04:44 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Why? They ignore it, or bury it, |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 04:58 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. And Kerry's attack on Swiftliars at Firefighters Convention speech |
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cassiepriam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
56. Duh, cooking the books is standard. What else is new? |
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anoraksia53 (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 06:24 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. What's scary is |
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cassiepriam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-05-06 05:26 AM Response to Reply #59 |
72. They taught Enron! Oil Mafia has been doing this for decades....nt |
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anoraksia53 (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-05-06 09:44 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. of course |
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Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
60. (Throws up hands and looks disgusted) |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
61. Read THIS: |
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MissWaverly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
65. he's juggling the books with our social security money |
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Generic Brad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
66. It's an Enron Presidency |
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GOPBasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 10:52 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. That's one of my greatest fears. I really think that |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 10:59 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. "The Enron Presidency"...Oh, what a memorable phrase. Repeat it widely. |
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Synnical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
67. Kick so I remember to send |
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hadrons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-05-06 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
74. great find |
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banana republican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-05-06 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
82. OK children this is how it is... |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-06-06 01:24 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Excellent chart, thanks |
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banana republican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-06-06 03:40 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Which is exactly what is done. |
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Up2Late (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-10-06 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
85. Thanks, I'd heard about this $720 Billion Deficit, but wasn't sure... |
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Independent_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-10-06 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
86. It's the Enron era. Definitely. |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-10-06 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
87. OMFG! There it is, number don't lie. Men do. |
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