IS Iran Really misbehaving Or Are we being lied to again?

[babsbunny]

How can we know who is telling the truth?

[yourout]

1. Both.

[babylonsister]

2. I'm thinking a very dangerous distraction. nt

[PurpleChez]

3. Agree. Both. But more of the latter I bet.

I will always assume, until I'm shown otherwise, that Chimpy is lying out his ass.

[leftchick]

4. both. Here is an excellent article that explains a lot...

The current debacle over Iran’s nuclear challenge continues as intensely today as at its revelation three and a half years ago, when the National Council of Resistance of Iran, an Iranian exiled opposition group disclosed Iran’s secret nuclear fuel cycle program. European efforts – lead by the EU3 (UK, France and Germany) - were unsuccessful in preventing Iran from resuming its enrichment program. It appears the only choice for the international community is between giving in to Iran and allowing it to develop nuclear technology that could support a weapons program, or launch a military strike. Following either of these choices will have disastrous consequences. In fact, there is still a diplomatic opportunity that can resolve the nuclear crisis. The Iranians need a package of incentives to relinquish their nuclear program and it is really only America, and not the Europeans, that can offer Iran what it wants and needs. The time has come for a US-Iran rapprochement.

With serious mutual effort Iran and the United States can normalize their relations. The United States has the carrots to entice the Iranians and the Iranians can also dangle their carrots in front of the United States. The United States can guarantee Iran that it will not be the target of a military strike, recognize the legitimacy of the Islamic Republic, and present the Iranians with important economic incentives. The United States could maneuver its way to bilateral discussion of the nuclear issue through its Iraq channel.

In exchange for a U.S. security pledge Iran must renounce both its call for the destruction of Israel and support for terrorism. It must also demonstrate its willingness to reach a negotiated settlement of the nuclear issue by considering a verifiable suspension of all enrichment and reprocessing activities for at least a decade.


As for economic incentives, the United States could start by lifting its sanctions against Iran and by paying back Iran’s frozen assets. The United States could also offer to pay Iran the $61.8 million it promised in compensation for the 248 Iranians killed in the accidental 1988 U.S. downing of Iran Air Flight 655. The $61.8 million is much less than what has been taken from Iran’s frozen assets in the United States as a result of the 1979 US embassy hostage crisis in Tehran. Offering to pay at least part of this money and lifting sanctions could be important elements in a phased package of economic incentives offered to Iran in exchange to maintaining a moratorium on the development of its fuel cycle. For example, in the ten year moratorium, for every two years that Iran has stopped its nuclear activities, the United States can reward Iran with part of the money it owes.


http://www.carnegieendowment.org/npp/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=18155

[ananda]

5. OR: is BushInc misbehaving and we are just being lied to..

. again.

Iran must do something to protect itself against its own axis of evil: the USA, UK, and Israel.

I can hardly blame Iran for seeking to do that.

Sue

[Ice4Clark]

6. I think Iran is trying to protect itself mostly from the US

I think their president has said some off the wall things, but hey, look at ours? I do think much of what we are hearing in the media lately is hype, just like when they decided to have the media portray Iraq as this huge threat. These folks in the WH are masters of distraction. I've felt like I've been living in a meteor shower, never knowing what, where or when the next chunk is going to hit, or how large or how hard. If they keep distracting us long enough most of the citizens will further turn off their brains, if that's possible, as most I know are already brain dead. Their (the WH) actions have caused this nation to become Attention Deficit, along with all the other deficits they've given us.

[kikiek]

10. I'm with you. The arms race is now needed by this admin so they restarted

it. Keep us focused on the "enemy" and they will use fear once again for 2006 mid term. Pure evil in my opinion, and it might be the death of us all.

[TheBaldyMan]

7. I can't tell if they're telling the truth but I can tell if they're lying

if they're lying their lips are moving. ;)

[Glorfindel]

8. We are being lied to again

Iran's mullahs, despicable as they are, are FAR outclassed by the evil B*shit cartel. Come to think of it, they're both after the same thing: Total domination of the many by the few for the benefit of the privileged elite. :puke:

[Broadslidin]

9. Which Nation Uses Blatant Lies as an Excuse For Committing Murder?

The Petro-Imperial U.S. Empire or Iran...?

[abluelady]

11. It almost Doesn't Matter

The fact that we have to ask the question is so telling. We have been lied to and manipulated so long we are at a loss. That alone tells me we have to wipe the slate clean and start with a new administration and congress TOMORROW.

[FloridaPat]

12. If the information comes from the US gov't or an "official source"

or other unnamed source - you're being lied too.

[bahrbearian]

13. Well from what I understand

Iran is going to test a Nuclear Bunker Buster in the Nevada desert next week. We must stop them now!

[babsbunny]

15. I thought it was the U.S. doing this test in Nevada

:shrug:

[shance]

14. You even need to ask?

n/t

[skeeters2525]

16. Bush Is Lying

You know it, I know it, the world knows it.

Maybe they are playing some part in endless war, who knows.


But I know 1 trillion percent Bush and the Pentagon are lying.

The question should be, why? Is it to distract from all their other f*&k-ups?

Is it to get a new enemy to fire up the base for the midterms and next elections?

Or do they just need to make more money?

Oh yeah, or does Bush just love to kill.

[newyawker99]

20. Hi skeeters2525!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[REDKING]

17. The us government are insane..

They are going to kill all of us if they keep going the way they are going.
As for iran I dont see the problem with them having nuclear power and there is not one piece of evidence to suggest that they are seeking weaponry,but I wouldnt blame them if they were.Israel developed their weapons in secret and nobody raised an eyebrow...explain the difference to me.

[invictus]

18. We are being deceived.

Bush is trumping up charges against Iran to distract the nation from the corruption and incompetence of his administration as well as the many problems our nation faces. We need national healthcare and a higher minimum wage, not more bombs.

[Sensitivity]

19. A Verbal "Preemptive Strike." Accuse now cus they may misbehave later.

There are some many benefits re. the gullible public.

[Radical Activist]

21. Read Confessions of an Economic Hitman

It explains what is happening in Iran and many other nations.

[IdaBriggs]

22. If Bush says something, a good rule of thumb = "the opposite" is true. nt

[bush_is_wacko]

23. I suspect a little of both. And I suspect Russian and Chinese oil

interests have a lot more to do with the whole mess than we realize.

Let's face it. We won't know the truth either way until it's too late. We can suspect and debate all we want but we don't have any way of distinguishing fact from fiction.

I "knew" that Bush was lying about Saddam/Iraq capabilities but did I have facts to support my belief he was lying? Not the kind of facts anyone in a position of power would listen to. Those that did have facts weren't willing to come forward or were being kept from coming forward. Iran is the same as Iraq. Just bigger and a little more of an unknown.

[yurbud]

24. even if they have nukes, they are not going to use them on us or anyone

else.

They are not stupid. They know Bush and probably who ever follows him into office are looking for any excuse to invade Iran. Using a nuke on us would provide that excuse.

If a nuke does go off here, it's far more likely that it's the Bushies trying to manufacture a causus belli for a war.

[Fire Walk With Me]

25. Wasn't "Iraq= Imminent Threat" a purchased headline?

As they are continuing to 1984 the newspapers in Iraq?

If no one reports a problem, there isn't one. If everyone reports a threat, there is one. Note Bush's continued use of the word "Threat" in relation to Iraq. I'll swear it appeared three times in two adjacent sentences recently.

"People get told things that aren't true every day, and it doesn't seem to bother them." -attempting to quote Rumsfeld in "Control Room".