Hillary Clinton/Mark Warner 2008

[Sammy Pepys]

What's your initial impression of this ticket?

Someone I know that's "in the know" thinks this might be a very good choice for 2008.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

1. I like Warner-Feingold but would vote for Hillary-Warner

or any other reasonable dem ticket

[Deep13]

2. What states will HRC win that Gore or Kerry did not?

Not Ohio, and we might loose PA and Wisc.

[Sammy Pepys]

3. Those were my thoughts...

I don't know why he thought this ticket would be so strong, but he's more involved with that type of thing than I am.

I voted "Merely OK", for the record....

[Deep13]

4. Sebelius/Feingold ??

[oasis]

13. The 2004 Ohio vote was rigged by Ken Blackwell. That won't happen again.

[Deep13]

16. How do you know? Besides, that was one state.

It should not have been that close. Blackwell might be governor in 08. What kind of damage could he or a patsy replacement in the Sec. of State office do? FL is still fucked up.

[oasis]

27. Hello...... Blackwell was in charge of the elections in Ohio.

[Deep13]

32. He was in charge of certain aspects ...

... of the elections like supplying voting machines (and failing to do so). Actual election supervision is by the county boards of election.

Blackwell is still sec. of state and may become governor. Pointing that out does not change the fact that Ohio is just one state and it was Kerry's inability to deal with his image problem which was only partially manufactured by Rove et al that made the race so close in the first place.

[oasis]

34. Blackwell rejected absentee ballots that were not printed on a specific

kind of paper. Ohio African americans registered in unprecedented numbers and somehow districts with the most blacks had the hardest time getting their votes counted.

Blackwell and the GOP did their best to hinder the vote in districts that favored Kerry. Why?

If Kerry wins Ohio, he wins the election.

[redqueen]

5. Green party here I come.

;)

:evilfrown:

[Warpy]

6. Well, that one would either keep me home and comfy on election

day or would propel me to the polls to vote Green, depending on whether or not there were local or congressional candidates worth a vote.

What a putrid ticket. Conservative and conservative. I guess conservatives never learn and will keep trying to do the same losing strategy over and over again, hoping for the miracle of a different outcome.

And that is one definition of insanity.

[k_jerome]

29. wow, which issues are they conservative on?

just interested to know.

[Pithy Cherub]

7. Blech! That would keep the Dem losing streak on track.

I'd vote for my favorite Disney character first.

[Deep13]

18. I would not hesitate to vote for HRC in November, ...

... for all the damn good it will do. She's to the right of me, but who ain't (outside of this website)? The problem is that I would be the only one in this state to vote for her. These North East candidates are killing us. Look at 04 where three candidates were from New England. They have a campaign advantage over other candidates because of the proximity to NH. They and their volunteers can knock on doors all day and sleep in their own beds. Candidates from the South or the Middlewest have to rent hotel rooms and cars and pay to fly there. Plus few volunteers will be able to take the time to go there even with expenses paid. The candidates with across the board appeal get weeded out in favor of NE intellectuals that don't play well elsewhere.

[Pithy Cherub]

20. Hillary & Warner are mutually interchangeable and equally awful

no matter the geographical component. They belong to the political thuggery farm team the DLC is fielding and placing propaganda on around the country.

Warner is a one term techocrat with out any national security experience or creds beyond a passport on foreign policy. Warner timidly discusses Iraq and doesn't want to focus on why we are there. That is bland democratic milquetoast at its most banal and shows his lack of knowledge on the matter.

Hillary has name recognition. As First Lady she was true to her convictions. As a senator she has taken being craven to new lows or heights. HRC's proudly voting aye for the IWR was a moral failure on every level. Her stridency in not renouncing the IWR vote mitigates anything she has to say about Iraq and makes me just tune her out.

The two of those corporatists together are not going to elicit passion or excitement long term. If Warner has to use his personal funds to seed his candidacy then you know the passion is not out there in the public but inside his head. (Hopefully his tutors have checked to see if there is space in there for national security issues.) Hillary has amassed a warchest and if she has to spend hers on doing a political image makeover then you will know she is not inspiring the public at large.

Either or both of them completely turn me off. Where they come from won't supersede an inability to have courage to speak candidly about Iraq. Both of them are spectacular failures in that regard so far.

[Deep13]

21. You illustrate problem #2: the liberal base will not support them either.

Hmmm, no liberals, no swing voters and the Rs hate HRC in particular. Sounds like a solid foundation for a landslide.

[karynnj]

31. Bill Clinton lost bost Iowa and NH

The swept the large number of southern and border states on the first multi-state day. If anything this long period of mostly Southern states favors a southern candidate as it is.

After Iowa and NH, imagine what would have happened if Edwards won 5 or more of (South Carolina, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Arizona, Missouri, North Dakota, and Delaware)on Feb 3. Instead, Kerry won 5 of them, Edwards(45%) won SC with Kerry(30%) second and Clark won Oklahoma in a very close race - he and Edwards nearly tied with 30% each and Kerry was not all that far away at 27%. (Clark spent a substantial amount of time here - while Kerry pent little or none.)

You would then have Edwards with 5 wins, a second in Iowa, a tie for third in NH, and lets say seconds in the other 2 Feb 3 races. The best Kerry could have at this point would be 4 wins (if he won the 2 Feb 3rd ones left) and 4 seconds and a third in Oklahoma. Edwards, who was far better liked by the press, would have had the momentum and would have been the front runner.

That set of states were the type of states Edwards had to take to be the nominee. The NE candidates rent Iowa hotel rooms. Look how far the entire set of Feb 3 contests are from Boston.

[Renew Deal]

8. I think their personalities don't match well.

I can't see it working, but I am having trouble with Hillary on any part of the ticket.

[mzmolly]

9. Who thinks that? Karl Rove? Ralph Nader?

This is a choice that will alienate the left and many moderates as well. In spite of what the media tries to say about Hilary Clinton. Mark Warner isn't a bad choice for VP.

Tell your friend to get Gore on the ticket. :hi:

[Sammy Pepys]

10. His Dem credentials are bonafide....

He may be thinking purely strategically. He wouldn't give me many details, though.

I think he may need a vacation :D

[mzmolly]

17. Indeed, tell him to take a vacation and summon President Gore.

:hi:

[Totally Committed]

11. It's a F*cking DLC Ticket....

NO WAY, NO HOW, and OVER MY DEAD BODY.

How's that?

TC

[ladjf]

26. Although I get the feeling that you are holding back, I agree with

you completely.

[Stinky The Clown]

12. Where is the "No Fucking Way" choice?

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[FSogol]

15. How about any combo of Clark, Warner, or Feingold? n/t

[Deep13]

19. Clark/Feingold? Sounds good to me.

Good balance of experience and geography. Plus Clark is not a Congressman. No member of Congress has been elected since 1960 and before that none since Harding.

[ladjf]

25. I could go with that ticket. Or, Gore/Feingold

[Adelante]

28. I like that ticket, too

Very much.

[tatertop]

22. We would be better off running Flavor Flav and Vash the Stampede

At least then we might win.
(Plus, they would get us out of
Iraq and keep us out of Iran.)

[JeffR]

23. This just in: 2006 is an election year

I kid you not. This year. 2006. Really.

[ladjf]

24. Hopefully the Dems are smarter than that.

[elizm]

30. "In the know"?????

...the know of WHAT???? Nominating Hillary would be a death wish for the Democrats. But it seems that those 'in the know' keep heading straight off the cliff anyway.

[NJ Democrats]

33. I would vote for the ticket

but I wouldn't be happy with it, and they would lose.

[FrenchieCat]

35. I'm now officially Fed UP and burned out on the 2008 elections!

Now, I'll go back to writing letters to local papers all over the nation requesting endorsements for various congressional Democratic candidates running in 2006!

PS. I didn't vote. :hi:

[nickshepDEM]

36. Reverse it and you got a winner... Not saying much, though, considering

Warner/My Dog would be a winner.