Randi Takes Cheap Shot at El Rusho

[pdmike]

Randi Rhodes took a pretty cheap shot at Rush Limbaugh on today's program.

She replayed a 1993 tape where Rush stood in for Pat Sajack and hosted a live audience discussion show. The audience was not screened. Rush was not greeted in a friendly manner by the audience to say the least. In fact, he was shouted down every time he tried to say anything.

Randi played several minutes of this and then opined that Rush had demonstrated an inability to meet liberal arguments because the conservative position is inherently unable to argue against liberal positions.

The only problem with Randi's analysis was, that Rush never had a chance to argue against liberal thinking - he was merely shouted down.

I am not a Rush Limbaugh fan and I am a Randi Rhodes fan. But, in this instance, Randi most certainly did not play fair.

[EST]

1. Alls fair in...

I'm not sure one can cheapshot Lush. He IS a cheap shot, misquotes, lies and allows for no rebuttal.

[Midnight Rambler]

2. You know what? I don't give a shit.

What goes around comes around. Rush and others like him consistently shout down people who don't march in lockstep, muting them, cutting off their mics, calling them traitors, terrorists, commies, and on and on and on. That fat fascist fuck throws out cheap shots every single day. I don't think it's too much to give him one in return.

[Maven]

5. +1

In the words of Dr. Evil, boo frickety hoo.

[pdmike]

8. Yes, but nonetheless . . .

I don't disagree with any of this. My point is, that I want MY talk show hosts to operate from a position of credibility and what Randi did obviously off base.

When a con comes at you with: "Randi is taking unfair shots at Rush," how do you respond? In point of fact, she did.

That is not acceptable. We have standards - or should. Why should we stoop to their level? We shouldn't.

[snowbear]

10. OMFG..... So you're saying Rush Limpballs has standards?

He --- Needs --- To --- Be --- REMOVED --- FROM ---- THE ---- AIWAVES !!!

[Midnight Rambler]

19. How would I respond?

Payback's a bitch. That's how I respond.

[blondeatlast]

104. He's a public figure. If he can't stand the heat...

he's in the wrong business for certain.

[lumpy]

142. Hahahahahahahah !

Best laugh of the day. All is fair in love and Dubya's War, don'tcha' know. Lots of luck getting YOUR talk show hosts to rise to your level of standards.

[GrantDem]

117. I agree....

The neo-con mouthpieces consistently shout down their "guests" because they know they cannot debate the facts. Therefore, the only way they can win the "debate" is to out-shout their opponents.

Hannity, O'reilly, Limbaugh... are all assbags.

[KansDem]

128. Megadittoes, Midnight!

Uhh, I mean, I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment, Mr. Rambler.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

3. I would have thrown him in the gutter and spit on him.

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[Kurovski]

28. Now THAT would be fair.

:popcorn:

[northofdenali]

68. Just picturing this brings a smile to my face.

Crazy, I think I love you! :popcorn:

[Minnesota Libra]

4. Let me get this straight.......

.....after five loooooong years of all the lies and crap from Bush and Limbag and you are complaining that Randi Rhodes turned the tables on them. I say, "You Go Girl"!! :bounce: :loveya: I love Randi Rhodes.O8)

[snowbear]

6. Good for Randi !!

And screw that fat, racist, druggie! The sleazebag shouldn't even be on the airwaves.

Kudos to the good-hearted Americans who shouted the wimpy, draft-dodging RACIST pig down!!!

[Zinfandel]

7. Who really gives a shit? When has the pigman ever taken the high road?

Give me a fucking break!!!

[pdmike]

9. Still . . . .

I don't disagree with any of this. My point is, that I want MY talk show hosts to operate from a position of credibility and what Randi did obviously off base.

When a con comes at you with: "Randi is taking unfair shots at Rush," how do you respond? In point of fact, she did.

That is not acceptable. We have standards - or should. Why should we stoop to their level? We shouldn't.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

11. Just tell them if you can't take it don't disk it out.

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[Zinfandel]

12. Its ALL entertainment dude! These aren't journalists...Whatever works and

entertains!

[mac56]

119. How would a freep know that Randi was taking "unfair shots" at Rush?

Was he or she listening? Then I'd wonder if he or she was a real freep.

Even so, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

[Blue Belle]

133. Did you listen to the entire show?

Her point was made... by Rush Limpballs. Yes. She did play clips from the 1991 Pat Sajak Show where Rush was shouted down (which BTW the link was posted on the GD page a few days ago - I swear she or her staff reads and posts on the DU)... but her point was made when Rush "Disappeared" the guests who were disagreeing with him. Her point was, if Right Wing Talk Show Hosts don't have complete control... and if their audience isn't pre-screened, and their microphones can't be cut off at anytime, then they can't argue back. Her point was, this was the incident where all the "pre-emptive strike on voices of descent" began... she also pointed out that Phil Donahue went into his audience for years and was able to make his arguments and have meaningful debate with any guest that wanted to voice an opinion - Oprah does the same thing. Randi also made the point that Rush turned Pat Sajak's light hearted talk show into "Rush's Right Wing Agenda for Middle America" show. He was guest hosting and turned a non-political show into his format to promote his radio show - then chastised the guest with a differing opinion that he (Rush) had already made a name for himself and proclaimed that he spoke for the majority of Americans when he opposed abortion (at least the majority of the agenda friendly Americans who called into his pre-screened talk show).

I think you missed the point she was tying to make. I think she was just using this as an example of how things used to be and how far backward we have stepped in the realm of infotainment.

[Panda1]

13. He deserved worse. (Vid)

http://www.panopticist.com/archives/187.html

Randi was exceptionally nice considering the damage Cystboy has done...and continues to do. He's heard by the troops...Air America is not.

[snowbear]

18. Al Franken (AAR) & Ed Schultz (Radio One) are on AFRN

So they do get at least two progressive radio stations now!

They both get calls from the troops telling them how greatful they are to have them on the air! They've been on for.. ... 3 or 4 months or so.

[Panda1]

98. Thanks

I didn't know that. :) If I had my druthers they'd get Randi, Malloy and The Majority Report.
Schultz reminds me too much of Limpbaugh...the first time I heard him I could have sworn...plus, he's not a good researcher. I do like Al, especially on Fridays when he has, thubba duh, thubba duh, Joe Conason on with him.

[ArbustoBuster]

14. We need to fight dirty, too.

If the Republicans put forward a jackass like Rush to spew venom and fight dirty, then we need to reply in kind. As one of my favorite movie lines says, "If he brings a knife, you bring a gun!"

[neuvocat]

15. True but he also brought it all on himself.

I don't get how the comment about his inability to deal with liberal arguments fits in with that though.

[pdmike]

36. reply

He never had a chance to "deal with liberal arguments" - they shouted him down. Yet, Randi accused him of "not being able to meet liberal arguments."

That's how it all fits in.

[Doctor_J]

115. He's a coward and a liar who won't appear in front

of anything but a screened audience. The only other people that I can think of that weak are Bush and Cheney.

[ldf]

129. I believe THAT was randi's point

THEY screen all their audiences, so they don't GET questioned.

WE don't screen our audiences, or require signed releases to be nice, or have to swear our loyalty .... etc, etc.

big difference.

[lumpy]

143. Rush doesn't argue or debate

anything. He just pontificates.

[The_Casual_Observer]

16. He was shouted down because it wasn't a screened audience.

Unless that bastard hand picks his audience it would be this way wherever he goes. Normal people become outraged by his shit and fire back instinctively. jr & cheney hand picks them for the same reason none of them EVER make a public appearance.

[pdmike]

39. I understand that but . . .

I understand that he was shouted down because his audience was not screened.

But it was disingenuous of Randi to say that he was "unable to meet liberal arguments" because he never had the CHANCE to meet liberal arguments - he was just shouted down.

Making a statement like that just makes Randi look bad.

[Sperk]

111. You really can't argue abortion...you either believe it's a womans

choice or you don't. And because it's such a hot button issue the idiot Rush should have known not to bring it up with an unscreened audience. Plus, who give a shit?

[kitkat65]

116. "he never had the CHANCE to meet liberal arguments"

Yes and no.

My perception is that Rush's tactic was to try to make the people who were "shouting him down" look unhinged. Not once did he even try to offer a counterpoint. His response was more like, gee, I can't even give my opinion because, you keep yelling over me. Gee, that's so unfair.

His tactic was to try and make himself look like a victim of "angry liberals" and, in this case, it worked.

[pdmike]

138. One of the few, halfway rational responses to this thread.

Congratulations. I agree with your assessment that Rush was intentionally letting the audience shout him down so he would appear the victim.

However, that does not answer the point of my thread - which is that, even so, I think it was disingenuous of Randi to say that Rush was unabale to respond intellectually to liberal arguments.

[radio4progressives]

17. Randi is not exactly intellectually honest about a lot of things..

I'm a Leftist, and i just can't take her most of the time..

sometimes she just makes stuff up, other times she's got things right. it depends what agenda she's advancing that day..

It's weird, with Mike Malloy, i want the red meat from him, but i don't it from Randi.. don't ask me i have a double standard.

I think because, Randi goes point by point on issues, which is a good thing, but the next thing i know she's making stuff up.. or bending it this way and that that ain't exactly it.. Mike on the other hand doesn't go about his show on a point by point analysis - he just rants.

It's hard to feel sorry for someone like Rush, but apparently that's the sole reason why Randi's on the air, take cheap shots at Rush and others like him.

[pdmike]

41. Thank you.

Thanks. You seem to be the only person here who understands my point.

I am with you on Randi. I want to like her. I agree with most everything she says.

But she is intellectually dishonest lots of times. She is also way over the top lots of times. That's OK - but not when we are competing with polished pros in the talk show game. We have to be full of integrity, not using cheap tricks.

[radio4progressives]

151. I'm not terribly fond of kind of radio that they both reperesent.

the facts of an issue are often outrageous enough as it is on it's own merits - without the necessity to pile on stuff that is either out of context or just simply not entirely true.

what it's about is party politics and that's the trajedy. Rush is about promoting the neo-conservative agenda, so his job is to demonize the "democrats" - with a pile of lies, distortions and just plain crap.

I think Randi is about "entertainment" but with a liberal pov, along with a party agenda. That's what she thinks she's supposed to do.

i'm spoiled because once upon a time in America, we used to have pretty decent public affairs programming - on the radio even. especially FM.

and now, I can't even rely on the once reliable NPR, (it's own right wing pov)or even Pacifica anymore with their "Liberal" Gate Keepers..

can't get no satisfaction any where anymore...

[Sperk]

112. example please.

n/t

[Heewack]

20. Open discussion is necessary

We can win in honest debate. No need to shout down.

Limbaugh always likes to talk about winning in the "arena of ideas", but he never allows argument in that arena. He does his own shouting down by the limiting of honest debate. Fuck him!

[pdmike]

76. No problem

No problem with that - I agree all the way. Conservative talk show hosts EXIST to shout down their liberal callers.

THAT'S NOT THE POINT!!!!!

Randi make an obvioius misrepresentation by claiming that Rush was out aruged on an intellectual basis when nothing of the kind happened. He was just shouted down.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

21. Play fair?

Why the hell are you DEFENDING RUSH LIMBAUGH??

Sure, the ACLU did it. But they're non-partisan.

This is Democratic Underground for Christ's sake. Nice try though, I'm sure Oxycontin Rush appreciates it. Hell, he's probably reading this and giving you a telepathic high-five as we speak. Do you feel it?

[wake.up.america]

24. There is too much at stake NOT to slam Rush whenever possible.

[snowbear]

22. According to Ed Schultz board, Rush Limpballs said on the air TODAY..

that "Democrats despise the U.S. Military"

http://edschultz.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=11336

Yeah Mike, we should feel sorry for the racist, dirty, druggie?

[pdmike]

54. You don't get it, do you?

You don't get it, do you?

I don't feel sorry for Rush. I HATE Rush. I just don't want to see Randi going down the same road - and, this afternoon, that is exactly what she did.

[blondeatlast]

106. That is Randi's style--I personally can't listen to her.

But to assume that this means all of our personalities are headed down the same path is ridiculous.

I can make a distinction between PJ O'Rourke and Rush Limbaugh.

He is a PUBLIC FIGURE. As such he should be open to satire or get the hell out of "entertainment."

[JohnnyRingo]

23. Did you ever see the Rush show from the 90s

Where "ElRushbo" was proud to introduce "the new White House dog".....then showed a pic of a teenage Chelsea?

And you think Randi took a cheap shot?
At least Limbaugh, as an adult, should understand why he made himself a target.

[pdmike]

51. Try this . . .

And what was your opinion of Rush when he took cheap shots? Made him look like an idiot, right?

How is Randi any different? If she is going to take cheap shots, then people are going to think she's an idiot as well.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

62. So let me get this straight.

Comparing a 13 year old girl who's never asked to be a public figure to a dog is as bad a "cheap shot" as playing a video clip of a pompous windbag being humiliated by an audience that had seen enough of his bad act and laughing at it?

Not even in the same ballpark, bud.

[pdmike]

65. You're not listening

You're not listening, "bud." My complaint has to do with maintaining that Rush was unable to meet liberal arguments when all that in fact happened was that he was shouted down - never had a CHANCE to "meet liberal arguments."

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

69. And do you care to address WHY it turned into a shouting match?

Nevermind the fact that your apparent definition of a "cheap shot" just doesn't ring true.

[pdmike]

72. Why not?

Why doesn't it? You don't think that saying that Rush was "unable to answer liberal arguments" when, in truth and in fact, he was merely shouted down, is not a cheap shot?

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

84. One more time.......real slow.....

He had no intention of answering them. As soon as the first woman spoke her peace, he talked down to her like a child with some bizarre question about himself and set everyone else off. It degenerated into a clusterfuck because he wanted it to. His whole gimmick is to make the other guy look stark raving mad and crazy for his legion of mindless zombies. Who would have figured that some ten plus years later, he'd still have people taking his side and falling for his martyr routine who claim to be liberals, no less.

And as far as "cheap shots", even if you want to define it as such, it falls far below the bar Rush has set for slandering and attacking people. You really stretched on this one. Randi says plenty of dumb things off the top of her head for which she should be knocked, but her commenting on this hilarious piece of video isn't one of them.

[pdmike]

86. OK . . . but

Thanks for one of the few, halfway rational comments by the people posting on this thread.

I disagree with your assessment of what Randi did. She played a tape that consisted entirely of Rush being shouted down. Then she said he was unable to meet intellectual, liberal arguments. I have no doubt that if Rush were presented with rational, liberal arguments, he would not be able to meet them. But that is not what happened.

I will give you that her transgression is not the most major one I have heard her make. But it was enough. I stand by my assessment of it.

[Sperk]

113. Then why doesn't Rush let LIBERALS call into his show and debate them?

Because they have only talking points...it hurts their head to go into any more depth than that.

[JohnnyRingo]

80. Nah...I cant buy that

Limbaugh does personal attacks to make a living.
I only named one of his stellar shots that he's taken against someone who didn't deserve it.
In fact I don't think we coined the phrase "cheap shot" until Limbaugh pulled that on and the lexicon didn't have a word strong enough to describe what he did.

Randi Rhodes slapped a bully on the nose is how I see this.
No bad reflection on her at all. He deservered it.

Here...Watch it yourself, see what you think:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnLNDpDQgQk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Epanopticist%2Ecom%2Farchives%2F187%2Ehtml

[qazplm]

25. Hmmm...

Rush has so many cheap shots under his belt, that being on the receiving end of one now means he's only 4,321 ahead of the game instead of 4,322.

[gunsaximbo]

26. I'm sorry, but there are no rules.

Shouting down is lenient. I would have spit in his face.

[lumpy]

145. Where are the "pie" people when

you ned them?

[RagingInMiami]

27. You have a lot of balls to even publish that

But whatever works.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[pdmike]

42. Thank you.

Thank you very much. I do have a lot of balls.

[RagingInMiami]

50. And I see right through you

[pdmike]

59. Oh Really?

Oh, really? Listen:

We know who you are,
We know you hold your meetings,
We know you are coming . . .

And we are READY for you!!!!!

[JI7]

29. HAHAHAHH

[Daphne08]

30. Cheap Shot? Cheap Shot? Limbaugh invented the Cheap Shot.

Give me a break.

[me b zola]

31. Did you even understand the point that Randi was making?

....or do you even care???? Her point was that the only way these rw f*cks can spew their crap is if they have a pre-screened audience who won't set the record straight.

:eyes:

[pdmike]

34. Read.

I understood the point she was making - and you are right, her point was that Rush can only perform in front of screened audiences.

Did you understand my point? I don't think so.

[snowbear]

38. I don't understand how any red-blooded American could defend..

.. that despicable, hate-filled, vulgar, racist, druggie?

No.. I think you stumbled into the wrong place if you were looking for Rush sympathizers..

[pdmike]

63. Not looking for that

Not looking for Rush sympathizers. Merely looking for people who think our talk show hosts should not take cheap shots.

[me b zola]

134. OK. Try this

Is your point that we should be judged more harshly than those who slander us? Your nit-picky critique of Randi is silly at best.

We (as a progressive people) hold ourselves to higher standards on a daily basis. There are plenty of regressives (conservatives) who spend their every waking hour holding a magnifying glass up to us seaching for make believe flaws or mis-steps in order to take the attention off of their pathetic, tyranical behavior. Do I really need to read the same from someone on a progressive message board?

[JI7]

32. what's with the elephant shit droppings on DU lately ?

[laheina]

35. I would attribute it to the fact

that Rush has been bashing DU on his show.

[JI7]

40. only a dittohead

would come on DU and be so stupid to think we will give a shit about unfairness when it comes to Limbaugh. or be so stupid to think we couldn't see through his shit.
.

[snowbear]

43. Kinda sad, isn't it?

[Name removed]

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[snowbear]

52. You can call me a jerk if you'd like, I could care less...

Anyone who supports a drugged out, filthy-mouth, racist pig like that idiot is probably not going to like this sweet lil lady!

I do not like RUSH, I do not care to hear about RUSH, and if he dropped off the face of the earth tomorrow, I would be incredibly delighted!

[pdmike]

60. Oh yeah? Nanner, nanner, nanner

I only called you a jerk because you called me a dittohead.

I don't support Rush - I just want our people (Randi) to appear credible.

How would you answer a con who said Randi took a cheap shot at Rush today? She did. "He deserved it" doesn't make it. All that does is admit she took the shot.

[snowbear]

64. I think you've been nipping the bottle toots.. I didn't call you a jerk...

I just said that if you wanted to take it out on someone, go for it.. you can call me anything you want.

Answer me on thing: Do you listen to Rush Limbaugh?

[JI7]

55. here is the truth , we liberals don't give a shit about fairness when it

comes to that vile bastard.

i wonder why you are outraged at some talk show host "being unfair" to some other talk show host whose entire show is based on being a disgusting racist piece of shit. do get this outraged at the lies the Chimp and his entire administration tell ? about their allowing Americans to die while joking about it ?

again, only a dittohead would be outraged which is why i called you dittohead .

[laheina]

73. Right on!

Rush is a despicable excuse for a human being. There's no way a non-ditto would undertake his defense. :popcorn:

[pdmike]

83. Wrong

I am not defending Rush. I am merely pointing out that Randi should not stoop to Rush's level. See the difference?

[laheina]

94. She hasn't.

It is not humanly possible to stoop to its level.

I hope that you enjoy your new hobby! :hi:

[Dinger]

108. Yes You Are Defending Pig Boy, OxyCretin, Fat-A$$, Fuck-Face Limpballs

If we "do not stoop to Rish's level," then he'll keep it up, and we'll keep taking it in the ass, so to speak. I'm not willing, so feorget that shit. Have a good day.

[pdmike]

49. Probably so . . .

Probably so. But that does not excuse such an obvious misrepresentation by Randi - she should be above that.

[laheina]

66. I didn't listen to the show today,

but she's usually pretty up on her facts. She also tells the audience where and when audio clips are from.

Not to mention that she takes callers who disagree with her first, and spends the most time with the Repub callers.

If you compare the record and tactics of the two, the difference is clear--and in Randi's favor.

Everyone can make a mistake once, and maybe this is yours, but next time that you decide to defend someone, you might want to listen to THEIR show first. If you are going on the record, there is no comparison.


Oh yeah. Next time, reply to my post instead of repeating your tired refrain in my general direction.

[pdmike]

70. Ummmm

I apologize for not responding directly to your post. The format here is a little confusing for me - I don't post here that much.

I am not defending Rush Limbaugh. Rush Limbaugh is a major league jerk, a liar and it goes downhill from there.

All I am doing is commenting on what Randi did - which was unfair. Period.

[laheina]

78. Didn't hear it.

If you have a link to transcripts, that would help. But generally I listen to both shows, so I'll go on their record. His isn't good, and Randi is only human. She may have made a mistake.

But you made your comment: over, and over, and over, with little difference. Period. It's a dead horse. What do you expect to achieve in this?

[pdmike]

82. She DID make a mistake

The only reason I have made my comment "over and over" is that there seems to be no end of people who want to come onto this thread and demonstrate they have no understanding whatsoever of what I am trying to say.

[laheina]

87. It's not that they don't understand.

It's that making a mistake is forgivable, and on her record, she deserves to be forgiven.

According to you, who (no offense) we have little to no material to judge as a source, Randi made a mistake. You said it, again and again, why perpetuate it? You don't have transcripts, and I'm sure you know that we do things with links, examples, and evidence here.

And it isn't that they don't understand, it's that many of them are not sympathetic to your point of view--a different thing entirely.

[annarbor]

101. There's been a lot of them lately...

Quite frankly,
this is the only post that I've seen condemning Randi for playing the tape. I have absolutely no issue with the way in which she handled this. The whole "play nice" and "never be on the offense" shit is getting old.

This is the wrong place to try and muster up sympathy for the "mean-spirited" way that Rush Limbaugh was handled.

Wrong web site!

Ann Arbor

[laheina]

33. edit

[xultar]

37. I'm sick of playing fair when the other side does not. Limp screens

his calls and his show is driven through lies.

So I don't give a shit what Randi does. GOOD FOR HER!!!

[pdmike]

46. If you cared . . .

If you cared about presenting a credible position for us on the air, you would "give a shit" as you so delicately put it.

[Kurovski]

92. Yep, Xultar, if Randi leveled the playing field, so be it.

There is one way, and one way ONLY that one builds credibility.
You tell the truth.

In the wretched era we face, anyone who is concerned about the wee niceties when discussing the likes of Rush would do well to stand aside, get a lance, and tilt at windmills.

[pacalo]

45. This has A.C.L.U. written all over it! El Rusho has been victimized!

[Neil Lisst]

47. What's unfair about it?!

Her playing Rush and ridiculing him is talk radio.

What's unfair about it?

[pdmike]

48. This:

Representing that Rush was "unable to answer liberal arguments" when Rush never had a CHANCE to "answer liberal arguments" - he was simply shouted down.

[yorgatron]

57. i would like to see Rush sent to jail for doctor shopping.

i would then move to florida and get myself thrown into jail,and then bribe someone until i am made his cellmate.
i will then proceed to beat him senseless with a pillowcase full of D cell batteries every night before i go to sleep.
would that be a cheap shot?

[snowbear]

58. Cry me a fucking river pd..... are you buzzed right now or something?

I mean.. maybe until you're in your right frame of mind, maybe we should just ditch this whole thread?

[pdmike]

61. Nope, not buzzed at all.

No, not buzzed at all. Just trying to make a point. Most folks don't want to address my point. Not my problem.

Who's this "we" you're talking about? Got a mouse in your pocket?

[annarbor]

105. I think that your point has been addressed!

over and over again. Could it be that you simply don't agree with 99% of the people that have commented here?

When you posted, were you under the assumption that the folks here would agree with you? You come off as a Rush Limbaugh apologist and a Randi Rhodes attacker...neither of which will get you very far....

The topic of your post, and your low post count could give one the impression that you're just visiting....

Ann Arbor

[Neil Lisst]

74. That is YOUR opinion. YOUR opinion.

Look, the only thing that happened here is Randi made a comment, and you went off on it.

She gave her opinion, and you disagree. It's not like she's speaking for you.

[pdmike]

79. Wrong

No, no, no - I am not arguing about an OPINION. I am arguing a FACT.

The FACT is that Randi made a clear, misrepresentation. She claimed that Rush was unable to meet intellectual argument when he was merely shouted down. There is no "opinion" involved there.

[Neil Lisst]

89. No, you're wrong.

You are reacting illogically. Anyone who disagrees with you - which is just about everyone here - is wrong, though, and you're right.

You have an opinion not shared by most, and it is an opinion.

[Nostradammit]

91. He could have, at any moment, walked back to his desk

and bloviated and fabricated to his heart's content.

Yeah, poor fucking Rush Limbaugh. SHAME on Randi for saying he was UNABLE TO ANSWER LIBERAL ARGUMENTS.


GOD it smells bad in here.

[Ronnie]

124. I guess you missed the part

where he cleared the audience and had the camera all to himself.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

53. Oh please.....

.....when you watch that clip Rush had no intention of debate, he just realized he had walked into a hornet's nest and tried to turn the tide in his usual condecending fashion. The audience wasn't going to be bullied.

And how does Randi playing a clip that shows Rush in action comparable in anyway to the cheap shots he delivers simply by shooting his mouth off every day? He has no proof of half the stuff he says. At least she did.

[pdmike]

56. Not the point

That's not the point. What you describe is exactly what happened. But Randi characterized it as Rush's "not being able to meet liberal arguments." Rush never had a CHANCE to "meet liberal arguments" - he was shouted down. All that does is make it look as though Randi is taking a cheap shot which, of course, she was.

[Arugula Latte]

67. Poor, poor persecuted Rush!

Such a victim! He never gets a chance to spout off or insult people or lie viciously or catapult his propaganda! Oh, I weep. I truly weep. I'm glad we're taking the time away from trivial things like an administration pushing this country toward fascism and innocent people being slaughtered abroad to focus on truly devastating issues such as that terrible all-powerful Randi Rhodes quashing the meek Rush. :cry:

[pdmike]

71. I thought . . .

I thought it was only the cons who belived that two wrongs make a right.

[snowbear]

75. You're problem is that you've been brainwashed by Rightie Talk

The only cure is to QUIT listening to the filth. take two aspirin, and we'll talk about it in the morning..

On a new thread.

[pdmike]

77. Who appointed you Forum monitor?

Did somebody appoint you Forum monitor here?

I happen to be about as liberal as you can get. I hate Rush Limbaugh. Do you have the ability to understand an argument? Apparently not.

You can go off to whatever thread you like . . . I'll continue on this one.

[snowbear]

85. You know what you need buddy... a sense of HUMOR !!!!

Read my previous post! It was a nice comment, not spewing out insults. Just said you should lay off the rightie radio and we should discuss this at another time.

Hellz Bellz, I even winked at you.

Nope. That doesn't make me a moderator... Just someone who tried to care.

Thanks for nothing.

You should try a little humor and friendliness sometimes on here.

It's all yours. I'm outta here!

[pdmike]

90. Sense of humor?

I really have to chuckle. None of you guys know who I am. I'm not going to go into it . . . but if you knew, you would chuckle a tad yourself.

I am a died in the wool liberal - let's leave it at that for now.

I wanted to see what would happen if I were to put up a post that might be construed as being a trifle off the liberal mark. I found out.

I hang out at a well known, conservative Board most of the time because I prefer fighting with the enemy to preaching to the choir. Just my personal choice. From time to time, I hear reports about what goes on at DU. Frankly, I wanted to see for myself. I found out.

Sense of humor? Tell that to the sharks that have posted on this thread. Nice bunch of folks you have here . . .

I'll be back - hopefully to a somewhat nicer reception next time. For now, it's off to bed.

Nothing personal, larissa - I saw the wink.

pd

[Name removed]

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[mac56]

120. Why does this matter so much to you?

It's like he's your uncle! Or a good friend....or maybe someone you secretly admire....


Ohhhhhhhhhhhh!..........I think I answered my own question. Never mind.

[Arugula Latte]

136. Buh Bye -- I'm sure we'll all be waiting eagerly for your return.

:eyes:

[bluesbassman]

96. Pigboy had the oportunity to respond...

what he lacks is the capacity. When confronted by people who were not about to be bullied he chose to turn tail. I'd say that pretty much defines lacking the ability to meet a liberal argument, whether those arguments were loud or soft - same result.

[lumpy]

146. Got your kicks yet ?

geez

[Chevy]

81. WTF??

The fact that you have spent 23 posts on fat head alone is not a good sign.
Cheap shot?? Hell as far as I`m concerned a boot to his onions wouldn`t be cheap shot enough.

[JohnnyRingo]

88. "Boot to the onions"?! hahahaha

Now we're talkin'

First time I heard that one, but it'll work.

[laheina]

97. It's only the cons who

enjoy coming here, not to debate issues, but by repeating the same baseless, abrasive talking-point over and over. They don't support it, they don't expand on it, and they don't even think about it. They just repeat it and repeat it--because they regurgitate and lack the capacity for critical thought.

[Senator]

93. Lord Haw Haw Limbaugh has "had a chance" for decades

Which is why the shot was not cheap. It was merely an illustration of what the reality of his existence has always been.

Limbaugh has implicitly admitted his inability to meet liberal argument by staunch refusal to no longer even attempt it. The Sajack Show episode was one of a smattering of attempts he made around that period of time to be taken seriously as something more than a cartoon character.

Prior to that, he had attempted to claim that he was not even a political figure of any kind -- merely an "entertainer."

That limited foray into putting himself forward for general public consumption was quite embarassing -- and far more importantly, started eating into the ratings/profits. After that he would only agree to appear on a program as the solo guest. And when it soon became clear that he would become non-responsive if the host tried to discuss anything substantive, his appearances soon just fizzled out.

Now, if other "conservatives" had ever even hinted that Limbaugh was an embarassment to them, you might have a point that Randi was unfair to conservativism. But they chose their own poster boy. She's simply hoisting him and them on their own petard.

In fact, if anything it's a bit unfair to Randi to judge this one illustrative example outside the larger context.

--
www.january6th.org

[bluestateguy]

99. I saw the whole tape

It was posted on crooksandliars over a week ago.

Rush simply received the same treatment that he, for 18 years, has dished out to people who disagree with him.

Randi also noted that as a syndicated talk radio host, who is on the air in every US media market, and has his own newsletter, Rush Limbaugh has a hell of a lot more free speech than the average American.

So here is a quarter, go call someone who cares.

[rasputin1952]

100. Let me try to put this into perspective: Limbaugh has failed at everything

he has attempted to do, w/the exception of his radio program.

A brief list:

He failed as a sportscaster (70's), he failed as a disc-jockey, he failed at his TV program, he failed again as a sportscaster, (twice, most recently at ESPN). In fact, his radio program is the only thing he has had success at, and even that is tanking these days.

Limbaugh deserves to be shouted down; not every audience is handpicked and screened, and they never should be. It shows me, that whether in '93, 200, or 2006; hismessage is a sick one, filled with hate and destruction. he does not give alternative views on his show, why should he go unchallenged in a public forum. Perhaps, if he was smart, he might realize that his pov just plain doesn't cut it in the real world.

[blondeatlast]

102. What part of "public figure" eludes you? It's what "celebrity" is all

about.

[Skittles]

103. LOL OH BOO F***ING HOO

please get real

[joeprogressive]

107. I will have to agree with pdmike on one point

I think it was a poorly chosen clip because it made the audience seem like they were out of control. They wouldn't let Rush even speak. However, that is the same tactic he and O'Reilly use when confronted. I would have liked to see Rush answer some tough questions. What happened was he stated that there were a majority of pro-lifers in the country and things got raucous after that.

I don't think Randi was unfair because her point was that without the pre-screening you get people that are pissed off and not just a bunch of head bobbing, flag waving clowns. Could you imagine if Bush were to show up to an event with a random sample of Americans. 2/3 would be giving him hell.

I don't think pdmike was taking up for rush and I really don't think he is a dittohead. We should cut him some slack.

[mac56]

121. "I don't think pdmike was taking up for rush.."

I do. He even admitted he was doing so, just to be a shit disturber.

"..and I really don't think he is a dittohead."

There's where we differ. Who else but a dittohead would choose this topic for shit disturbing purposes? So many other potential topics!

"We should cut him some slack."

Lemme think about that for a minute. Hmmmm.................

Naah.

[John Barrett]

131. Does The End Justify The Means?

I'm not familiar with the clip as I rarely listen to talk radio, except for a local yokel who talks about important local stuff .

As individuals, either we take the high road and believe that there are principals of fairness, etc that we will follow come hell or high water, or we take the view of the other side that the end justifies the means. To some extent that is the point of the original poster. But remember, that once those principals are broken then we can never claim to have taken the high road.

[lumpy]

147. Yes, like taking cheap shots at Ted

Kennedy ? Ha !

[devinsgram]

160. The hell with the high road,

That is why this country is in such turmoil. Rush is a bully, and that is all he understands. I'm not saying you have to get down on his level, but you have to fight back, doing so in a manner where it is justified.

Randi was not doing anything more than showing how he responded when he faced those who did not agree with him.

Evidently the producers didn't think he could handle it either, because you never saw him again on TV, except for his stint on Monday Night Football, which he again screwed up on.

Sorry, I forgot he did have a daytime talk show, but again that only lasted a short time. Rush just can't make it on TV.

[dsc]

109. It was a cheap shot

though Rush is hardly a sympathetic figure. Our side should use the truth to win not demagogery.

[mac56]

122. Sure. And let's hold hands with them and sing "Kum-Ba-Yah" too.

You don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

[blue cat]

110. I listened to the segment on the Randi Rhodes show

and I got what she was showing about Rush. His views are not popular, he needs to have screened audiences or he really doesn't do well at all. Rush just couldn't handle it. I saw the show that Rush was on that she was talking about. You can post a reply to me, but I saw it all and came away with a very different opinion that yours. Rhandi did nothing wrong but expose how pathetic Rush is with anyone who disagrees with him.

[Doctor_J]

114. Boo-fucking-hoo

That paragon of fairness and accuracy, Jeff Christie, took a shot.

wtf are you doing here? Are you trying to get your post count up defending Limpballs?

[Lefty48197]

118. Yeah, she goes and picks the ONE audience that wasn't screened

Out of the hundreds or even thousands of pre-screened, loyalist oath signing Republican audiences that Rush has stood before, Randi went and chose the ONE time in Limbaugh's entire career, that he spoke before an un-screened audience. That was mighty unfair of her.

[xkenx]

123. Aw, poor widdle Rushie-wushie. Boo fuckin' hoo

And Randi is exactly right. I've noticed in my conversations with my RW friends that they NEVER actually engage in a discussion. The most they'll say is some off-the-wall RW talking point, wave dismissively, and refuse to talk any more. Anything that exposes Rush's weakness is fine with me.

[rasputin1952]

125. I was in a discussion w/my RW neighbor, and when he could not

come up w/anything that bush has accomplished that has benefitted the nation, he brought up abortion! he could not defend bush on anything, so he came up w/that to show me how he was so conservative.

He also said the economy was "humming along"...he got laid off yesterday.
I feel sorry for him, but that's what he gets for voting for this disaster of an admin; and listening to Limbaugh.

[No Exit]

126. Rush on Friday, March 17: "Sometimes I remember things that never

happened."

He said it.

He's right.

(He must've been in a really nice narcotic haze, to have admitted it.)

[Sparkly]

127. Aw, pooooor widdle Assboil....

:nopity: Who had the microphone and the cameras?

[FredScuttle]

130. Randi doesn't look "credible"?

Yeah, to freepers and drooling morons, maybe.

Rush got his ass handed to him when he tried to trot out that misogynist, racist bullshit that's gilded his empire for the past 2 decade in front of a crowd that wasn't having any of it.

[Iris]

132. I have an idea, why don't you call her show up and talk to her about it?

Just let us know when you plan to do it so we can be sure to tune in.

:popcorn:

[pdmike]

137. You ever call her yourself? I never have, but I have listened while lots

of others have attempted to talk to her. She interrupts EVERYONE - even the people who are AGREEING with her. Ever notice that?

[Iris]

157. Uh - yeah. I've also noticed that Rush Limbaugh does that as well.

It seems to be something people who are fans of talk radio like or at least tolerate.

[MODemocrat]

135. Rush Limbaugh never plays fair, so Randi is justified

He has the advantage every day, spewing lies, enduendo, and won't take calls from anyone who happens to disagree with him, so he needs to be shouted down every now and again.
You go girl. :thumbsup: :bounce:

[PBass]

139. Here's a link to the clip (again)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnLNDpDQgQk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Epanopticist%2Ecom%2Farchives%2F187%2Ehtml

Rush is NOT "shouted down" and unable to answer... HE'S THE ONLY ONE HOLDING A MICROPHONE!

He was just STUNNED by the angry reaction he got, when he spewed his hateful rhetoric. THAT's why he was speecheless!!!

WATCH THE CLIP. Look who is controllling the microphone... Rush Limbaugh. When he gets a passionate rebuttal to his bullshit, he's stunned.

I'm supposed to feel sorry for that shmuck???

[Name removed]

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[Vickers]

140. "I am not a Rush Limbaugh fan"

Of course you're not. How nice of you to state that before anyone accused you of it.

[Sparkle]

141. Any fat idiot that would make fun of a 12 year old deserves whatever

humiliation that's directed toward him.

[lumpy]

144. BS Thread of the Day

Nothing has been accompished here.

[JeffR]

148. Of the week

And you're exactly right.

[oasis]

149. No such thing as giving Rush a "cheap shot". He's a notorious liar.

Maybe you better try defending someone who possesses a least a small amount of integrity.

[NativeTexan]

150. That is EXACTLY the way RUSH plays the game himself!!

So does Hannity, O'Reilly and the REST of the NAZI'S.

And your reasoning is the SAME reasoning that THESE STORMTROOPERS give for liberals not being able to defend their politics!!!

SCREW THE OXYCONTIN FAT MAN!!

[Rainscents]

152. ...

:nopity:

[leftofthedial]

153. "fair"? "fair"?

BWAAAAHHHAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[area51]

154. Poor little Rusty Limpdick.

My heart bleeds for him ... NOT.

I mean, he has no carefully controlled forum in which to defend himself.... :eyes:

[Vektor]

155. Sure she did. Rush spreads lies and attacks Dems constantly.

A good swift kick right in that Oxycontin-addled windbag's tiny, pathetic crotch would have been more than fair.

Since when do we care if that hate-mongering, fat-assed, hemorrhoid laden pied piper is treated fairly? He's a douche bag, a dreg of humanity, and a purulent boil on he ass of this nation.

She was too kind in my opinion.

[dogday]

158. Just Driving By

This one is too easy!!!!

[npincus]

159. oh, please.

was that BEFORE or AFTER that lard-ass compared adolescent Chelsea Clinton to the WH dog?

F*ck him. He's been misinforming his listeners for YEARS, and flinging hurtful remarks at others.

[blondeatlast]

161. It's ENTERTAINMENT.

We may tie more importance to it, but Rush uses that excuse all the time--and may God have mercy on me--on that point he's absolutely correct. Would you have accused the Smothers Brothers of taking cheap shots at Nixon?

Now I gotta go take a shower...

[yellowdogmi]

162. So what.

Those brain dead idiots don't play fair either. I am not saying two wrongs make a right but what is wrong with using their own tactics against them. I don't see anything wrong with her observation. It is the kind of radio that Rush and co. perform everyday. Yes it is sinking to the lowest common denominator but it plays well to the masses and if that is what needs to be done to convert the mindless drones of the right then we better learn to play the game. Randi is making a great start.