Molly Ivins -- "Enough of the D.C. Dems"

[mcscajun]

niallmac suggested that a poll be created to gauge DU response to Molly's latest. Some have called her extreme, suggested she's gone too far; others think she's dead on as usual, or more so than ever. Here's an excerpt from the column that got folks going...read the whole thing, not just the excerpt, then vote.

I can’t see a damn soul in D.C. except Russ Feingold who is even worth considering for President. The rest of them seem to me so poisonously in hock to this system of legalized bribery they can’t even see straight.

(snip)

As usual, the Democrats have forty good issues on their side and want to run on thirty-nine of them. Here are three they should stick to:
1) Iraq is making terrorism worse; it’s a breeding ground. We need to extricate ourselves as soon as possible. We are not helping the Iraqis by staying.
2) Full public financing of campaigns so as to drive the moneylenders from the halls of Washington.
3) Single-payer health insurance.

(snip)

This is not a time for a candidate who will offend no one; it is time for a candidate who takes clear stands and kicks ass.

(snip)

We can raise our own money on the Internet, and we know it. Howard Dean raised $42 million, largely on the web, with a late start when he was running for President, and that ain’t chicken feed. If we double it, it gives us the lock on the nomination. So let’s go find a good candidate early and organize the shit out of our side.

http://progressive.org/mag_ivins0306

[OldLeftieLawyer]

1. FINALLY!!!!

Yes, it really is THAT SIMPLE.

Molly Ivins is so dead right on, I could just cry.

She's talking about guts. What Democrats need to go with that spine they've been missing.

[rzemanfl]

58. Hi! Been a while. I'm with Molly. n/t

[OldLeftieLawyer]

60. ?????

You OK?

Missed ya.

I'll aim more carefully next time.

Nyuk, nyuk.

[rzemanfl]

70. Fine, just having a period where I have been thinking "What good

does all this do?"

Did you see where Vonnegut called Dubya "the syphilis President?" Has a nice ring, but what does it mean? * drives you crazy slowly I guess...

[Felix Mala]

2. I thirst for a candidate who will do these things... I still think it's

possible that someone in Washington "club" will rise to the occasion. FDR, Robert Kennedy and Abraham Lincoln rose above their insider status to represent something greater, something universal that a majority of Americans could grab onto.

The war in Iraq: The only way for us to get out of Iraq and keep it from disintegrating is to get the rest of the world involved. None of the idiots who got us in this mess can accomplish this. That might even included Democrats who voted for action. We could show our good faith by electing someone who hasn't spent the last six years sticking his thumb in the eyes of the world's major nations.

Single-payer health care would be a fine issue as long as the opposition isn't able to club us with the "Hilary-care" label.
I think we might get more support by promising to reverse the pharmaceutical/insurance company welfare scam that is so cravenly referred to as a prescription drug "benefit."

What's wrong with promising higher wages and lower gas prices? FDR and Reagan ran on these kinds of platforms. Why not ask why the salaries and pensions of America's workers are being sacked by marauding upper management?

Find a way to appeal to the middle on environmental issues without threatening them with composting toilets and solar panels. The middle of America truly want to be good stewards -- lets provide some non-extreme but effective leadership.

[Felix Mala]

4. Helpful to neutralize Karl Rove. He's the "21st Hijacker!"

It could be done if we could convince enough of the electorate that Rove, in his cynical bid to pander favor, has gotten Bush into every mess he's now in. It would be nice if, by election day this year, we're calling Rove the "21st Hijacker."

He's hijacked the president from the agenda he was elected to pursue. He's hijacked the treasury so Bush can look like a hero throwing billions to the people every time he steps off AF1 -- and knowing full well he'll be cutting Peter's education money to pay for Paul's hurricane relief funds and then robbing Paul's hurricane relief money to slip more "unofficial" money into Thomas's war funding.

[blondeatlast]

3. I nominate Molly for DNC chairman--seriously.

She knows Texas politics, so she can easily handle the rest of the nation.

I am NOT slamming Dean, okay? :hide:

[blm]

21. If she doesn't recognize GOP control of media and voting machines and puts

all the blame on Dems, then ANY CANDIDATE will lose. Does she need to be shown that in 2008?

[cascadiance]

23. This is precisely what she recommends is needed!

It is because of our campaign finance laws (which need an overhaul) that we have the media in bed with the GOP, voting machine companies having control over our election system, and Dems not willing to risk their financing to come out to push for this reform that there is a problem.

She's not trying to "blame Dems" for everything. She's asking that they take risks and change the whole dynamics of the system in Washington to get it back to be controlled by the people as our founders had set out to do, not be a country that is currently "We the corporations...", instead of "We the people..." If Dems don't take a stand in favor of this reform, they are part of the problem and not the solution.

[blm]

24. She doesn't recognize Dems who favor public financing of campaigns

and have for years. Did she even BOTHER to promote those Dems over the years? No - she lumps them in with the others.

That's what bothers me - by NOT KNOWING who has advocated for public financing for years, Ivins perpetuates a myth that they are all the same.

Why should any reform advocate even bother when their actual work goes unnoticed even by those who claim to be watchdogs?

[blondeatlast]

33. How much of Molly Ivins have you read?

She's advocated public financing long and hard lo these many years.

[blm]

43. Yet doesn't seem to notice that there have been Dems advocating for public

finance for many years.

Does she mention them in her haste to smack at the party? No.

When pundits fail to acknowledge those willing to take on the battles they want fought, they end up hurting the efforts, imo.

[sendero]

46. Standing at the back of the room..

... mumbling "campaign finance reform is needed" is not going to cut it. When was the last time you heard a leading Dem come out forcefully on the issue.

I can't remember that long.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

54. Or whispering "This is the crookedest bunch I've ever seen"

-paraphrase-

and when called on it an aide says "But he's not calling Bush crooked." (David Wade?)

[blm]

69. Put up a better record than this:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20040315/corn

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

71. From 1985-1992 Kerry was an excellent Senator.

From 1993-present he's been okay. Hell, I even voted for him for President! What made him great was speaking truth to power, which my post was about. That stopped in the 90's.

A few months ago I said I'd lay off any criticism of Kerry if you'd tell me when he was going to expose the BFEE. You failed to do so. The offer stilll stands. You continually rely on this as a crutch for your support of him. And it's quite the contradiction. You're telling me that Kerry has secrets that would blow the BFEE to smithereens YET he's holding on to those revelations! He's withholding valuable information in the face of the most blatant power grab in the history of our country and yet he's mute?!? Phooey!

Either he has the info and he's withholding it, which almost makes him a traitor

or

He doesn't have shit

or

He has the info and is keeping his powder dry. Until when? Light the goddamned fuse Kerry!

[blm]

72. You know he's not allowed to speak to classified info - btw, you didn't

like his Vietnam normalization efforts? Or his Clean Elections bill? Or Hate Crimes bill. Or his prescient book on terror - The New War? Or the SCHIP bill? Or his work on Kyoto? Or his Iraq withdrawal plan?

You really think that was just "okay"? Even with a GOP controlled congress and media pushing ALL Dems down?

You really think there is ONE other lawmaker who has a better record than that? Please name them. Governor or Senator or Congressperson.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

74. A real patriot, if indeed the info were that explosive, would reveal it.

He might lose his Senate seat but he wouldn't do a day of time. He'd have statues made of him. Or he might become President! Some things are more important than bullshit secrecy laws.

All those bills you mention are being gutted, or have been removed, by this administration. Yes, it's good legislation but how are elections, healthcare or the environment doing these days? One press conference and we could have that stuff back and MORE!


Kennedy, Byrd and others(over the history of Congress) have done more legislatively.

Sanders, Waxman, Conyers, Feingold, et alii, have done more from an ideological standpoint. Two votes for the Patriot Act automatically take "Greatness" from your deeds. So "Okay" it is.


So I guess we're going to have to wait until we're all dead before we find out all the juicy facts. :eyes: How convenient!

[blm]

75. HAHAHAHAHA - LIST THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

Kerry covers a SPECTRUM - important legislation PLUS uncovering the most government corruption PLUS solid ideological contributions like working on Kyoto and expanding healthcare and helping to end three wars.

The fact is that YOU CAN'T NAME anyone who has a better across the board record than Kerry - and you know it. They all have certain accomplishments but nothing with the impact of Kerry's contributions.

What would the historic record look like without Kerry's unique efforts over the last 35 yrs, compared to the unique efforts of any other person you named?

And you know damn well that Kerry's speaking out would never work without the classified documents - you know Clinton would side with the Bushes and say Kerry is a conspiracy theory nut. Ever notice that Clinton never mentioned one word about BCCI in his book?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

77. Here we go:

Good legislation- yes.

40,000,000 Americans don't have healthcare.

Uncovering the most government corruption - No. Iran-Contra is the most Govt. corruption? Uh....no. First off he didn't uncover it, some Lebanese magazine did that. And the special prosecutor was Walsh, not Kerry.

Helping to end three wars? Vietnam, with a little help. :rofl: Let's see... he supported Kosovo, and IWR. Against Desert Storm but had little to do with ending it. Grenada? Haiti? The Spanish-American War? :freak:


Your hyperbole knows no limits. Kerry the greatest American statesman? Wow!

Name the next three greatest Senators.

The historic record would look virtually identical.

I know. Kerry wants to tell but he just can't.

[blm]

80. IranContra was just PART of the larger picture that included BCCI and CIA

drugrunning - you either GET that or you ignore it. And there would BE NO Walsh prosecutor or investigations of any of those three if Kerry didn't pusue them. Why do you pretend you don't know that?

Kerry's efforts helped end Vietnam, Iran-Iraq war - once the US was forced to stop arming both countries when exposed in IranContra. And I guess you've forgotten his and Moakley's efforts to expose Reagan/Bush's illegal war activities in Central America.

You have still not named ONE person in the last 35 yrs who has a more accomplished record across the board than Kerry.

Should be simple for you if I am just being hyperbolic as you claim.

[blm]

73. a reminder

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20040315/corn

don't let the corporate media tell us who our Dems are and what they do - they lie.

[radio4progressives]

53. maybe you ought to list the Dems who proposed public finance

that would be a good service... oh and provide links to their proposals if you have them..

[blm]

68. Never heard of Clean Elections bill?

The one that states are adapting for their elections was first crafted for federal elections and submitted to the Senate by Kerry and Wellstone in 1997.

Here's an interesting article you may not have seen.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20040315/corn

[radio4progressives]

39. Hell, I say Nominate Molly Ivins for President!! (Russ is still a fave)

Go! Molly Go! Go! Run for Office Molly! PLEASE!!

[blondeatlast]

44. I must admit, the idea has oodles of merit. No mealy mouth on her.

And if she couldn't take on the press, who could?

Imagine her and Helen Thomas sparring--one for the ages!

[radio4progressives]

51. LOL - that would make my heart sing through to the ages!

:rofl:

[dogman]

45. Yeah, she sure put a stop to Bu$h.

Oh I forgot even with her based in Texas, he became Gov and then the rest is his story. She may be right about a lot of things but she can't even get her story through to enough of America to make a real difference.

[radio4progressives]

55. huh? soo.. molly ivins was supposed to stop bush?

:rofl:

man.. i'll tell ya, the logic around this joint sure is something to behold!

[dogman]

59. Did you read the post I was responding to?

She's been right about Bu$h for years and it hasn't helped. Could she really do a better job?

[Cults4Bush]

5. kickers. n/t

[Catchawave]

6. I agree with Molly

I predict our nominee will be a Dem from outside the beltway.

[yurbud]

7. no, I support corruption, band aid solutions, and cowering before

the GOP and the far right.

[blondeatlast]

34. As do we all...

apparently.

:sarcasm:

[Missy Vixen]

8. Molly Ivins: Goddess of Journalism

>So let’s go find a good candidate early and organize the shit out of our side.<

Amen, sistahfriend.

Julie

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

9. Good Golly, Miss Molly!!

I love Howard Dean, but he ever gets tired of being DNC Chairman, let me offer a new candidate...

[radio4progressives]

41. Good Golly Miss Molly is so SPOT ON!

:applause:

[Neil Lisst]

10. Molly is stronger than I might say it, but basically on target.

I've been underwhelmed by the weak, uncoordinated response of our party leaders. We make FEMA look organized. We can't even organize and get out some basic talking points every day. We're all over the place, like townhome owners, all worried about the sidewalk in front of our unit.

[Greyhound]

11. Not sold on Feingold, no problem either, just wary of anybody that has

been exposed to the virulent corruption on DC. She has printed the formula for success and now it is up to us to ensure it becomes a prerequisite for any potential candidate. To have any chance or derailing this slow-motion train wreck at all we must make a firm stand, "these three stands are the core of our position and if you divert from any of them, you are out".

[Cocoa]

12. "let's find a good candidate early..."

why not Feingold? :bounce:

[yurbud]

13. vote this one up

[OzarkDem]

14. She's right

Dems have been given ample opportunity to defeat the GOP, yet they can't seem to get into first gear.

[Strawman]

15. K& R. She's right. We need a reconstructive Democratic president

Absent systemic (constitutional) change, it would be an significant accomplishment if a Democratic president could end the war in Iraq and accomplish one other reconstructive act in his/her first term. Public financing would be my focus. It makes everything else easier to accomplish.

[riona]

16. molly is right on

our dc representatives having deserted us. they've wrapped our identity, values, and message up in a big box with a blue ribbon and given away. we want it back. btw, i don't think she's all for feingold - just saying he's the only one on the hill.

[MadMaddie]

17. Molly is right....and we need truthtellers....

people that want to take this fight head on...And aren't afraid to hurt feelings in the proces...

We have all of the ammunition to destroy the Republicans yet or Dem representatives do nothing....

[AtomicKitten]

18. This is proof-positive that we MUST get a better candidate on the ballot.

That's where we must pull out the stops. The primary season is going to be brutal. There will be noses bloodied out there and here on DU no doubt. This will be a DLC versus liberal/progressive, establishment versus grassroots primary.

I really don't want to vote for ANYONE that voted "yes" on the IWR; I felt that way in 2004. I will hold my nose and do so if I must, but I pledge to work my ass off not to have to again.

AL GORE IN 2008.

[blm]

30. Oh yeah - don't deal with GOP control of media and voting machines

or deal with the Dem party's state infrastructures that were weakened and neglected for 10 years.. It was all Gore and Kerry's fault. They couldn't even win the debates, fer chrissakes.

[AtomicKitten]

32. don't even know where you launched that from

However, you can rest assured I am completely aware of and have worked on BBV, and I'm pleased to report Howard Dean is working on rebuilding states infrastructure. And FTR, Gore and Kerry DID win the debates.

The tone of your comment is so out in left field, I will leave you to it.

If you're going to be pissy about something, it would be helpful to have a point that is relevant to the post on which you are commenting. Attitude alone does not a point make. When a person makes a comment, it is not to the exclusion of other relevant issues. You are rather presumptuous in asserting that it is.

[blm]

35. Sorry, I thought it was obvious. The point was that though it's easy to

point the fingers at the candidate, would you really want ANY candidate in 2008 to deal with the exact same circumstances facing Gore and Kerry?

Gore and Kerry both performed exceptionally for the most part and certainly outperformed Bush on every level, but were undermined greatly by GOP control of the media and the vote count, and an incredibly weakened Dem party infrastructure in crucial states.

Those factors cannot be overcome by any one candidate and must be dealt with by the Dem party BEFORE the next election. Sure I was being sarcastic, but I don't see how the point was lost in the sarcasm. I apologize that it was.

[AtomicKitten]

36. No problem, and you are exactly right

I wholeheartedly agree. The truth is I'm sick to stomach about the prospects of another election in America. And don't think for a minute I think anything has improved. Election fraud is rampant, brought the Republicans to power, and now they have stymied every attempt at legislation to correct election fraud. The media is worthless; worse, they are criminally negligent.

My comments about the candidate are entirely separate from the above issue, just stating my preferences, but also realizing I will vote (D) regardless.

Thanks for the clarification.

[sendero]

47. Your acceptance..

.. of the mediocre and labelling it as "exceptional" is a perfect example of why, in the face of an opponent with two broken legs, bleeding from the nose and lying on the mat, Dems still can't get solid support.

There was nothing exceptional about Gore or Kerry's last campaign. Nothing.

[blm]

48. Nope. I watched the whole campaigns that broadcast media editted down

to suit their storylines.

Both Gore and Kerry performed WAY better than George Bush on their man to man matchups and on the policy issues they crafted.

Bush did not have two broken legs in 2004 - he had a media which gave more coverage to Scott Peterson than they did to the 9-11 commission report. A media that covered up Bush's lies and failures and when they were pointed out by opponents, the opponents were treated as liars - like they did when Kerry pointed out the lies about Tora Bora.

And Kerry stressed Port Security for two years in almost every speech, but today you have media declaring no Dem ever mentioned port security since 9-11.

And Kerry went after the swiftliars in a speech to the Firefighters Convention in August 2004 that the broadcast media chose to NOT COVER.

Please don't try to convince me that either Gore or Kerry didn't do what they needed to do - the media wouldn't let it be shown.

[sendero]

49. I'm not suggesting..

... that the "media" is not creating their own picture, or that they are not operating with their own agenda. I'm suggesting that both Gore and Kerry made it much too easy for them.

If Gore had spoken during the campaign as he has the last year or so, it would have been President Gore, I honestly believe that.

Part of getting elected in America is "creating" news and doing/saying things that are so compelling that the "media" just can't turn it down.

Kerry is simply not good at that, although lately he's getting better.

[radio4progressives]

57. totally agree... it was maddening, frustrating, & disheartening

but "exceptional" ? hmmmm, not so much.

[blm]

76. Their ACTUAL campaigns compared to what media editted them down to

for mass consumption.

Had the networks given them the fair chance that Clinton had in 92, you wouldn't be so frustrated.

Imagine if all the networks AIRED Kerry's August 2004 speech to the Firefighters Convention where he attacked the swiftliars and Bush's coziness with them. Then we'd all be saying how great Kerry was when he hit the swifties between the eyes in front of his Firefighter supporters.

[radio4progressives]

52. Gore's campaign was awful .. but he still won. Kerry's campaign was

somewhat better, but not much - i paid real close attention, and watched more video of rallies on line and more C-span than i ever watched on the MSM, though i monitered them as well.

(MSM did a republican favored spin job -but the campaign's On line was controled by Dems and Kerry's campaign was still terrible)

you have to watch these things with a very critical eye... not just through the lens of loyal fan.

[blm]

56. I actually watch the events with a critical eye for MEDIA BEHAVIOR.

I can cringe when a sour note is hit - but there is no way that Kerry didn't win the day to day match up with Bush BY FAR.

There was never a moment when Bush outperformed Kerry. The difference is Bush had a helluva frontline in the RNC and RW message machine which made him look like a competent quarterback, while Kerry was like Kenny Andersen - superstar quarterback stuck with one of the worst lines in football history - that was the DNC and its pundits circa 2000=2004.

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. GO MOLLY!

Maybe we should all support Feingold, eh?:thumbsup:

[blm]

20. Why? Is he an open government Dem?

That would be exciting if he is.

[Clark2008]

27. I will if Clark doesn't run, but, until that's clear, I'm still a

Clarkie.

And he's definitely outside the beltway!

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. Is he running? Have you heard? n/t

[Sugarcoated]

22. Feingold is the dark horse.

Don't know enough about politics to know if those are the only issues - sounds good to me. But the Feingold part - yes!

[Radical Activist]

25. Hey, Dick Durbin is good.

There are some good ones. She generalizes too much but I understand the viewpoint.

[Habibi]

26. Just sent the link to my senators, Clinton and Schumer

Not that they'll pay attention.

[Speck Tater]

28. But who will save the spotted owl?

Never mind all that other crap. We need to save the spotted owl!

</sarcasm>

[ChiciB1]

29. Well As Long As Ickes & Soros Are Working Against Dean...

what do the Democrats expect??? Check out WAPO article about how they are mounting campaign AGAINST Dean's leadership siting that he is behind!

Now More than ever I'm TOTALLY against HILLARY, and I dare say... even though unpopular... I will strongly consider NOT VOTING if she is the nominee!

This is heresy!! They have NEVER liked Dean, so here we go again!

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

38. I haven't read that WAPO article yet, but as far as Hillary is concerned,

I will not vote for her in 2008. I've voted for every Democratic Presidential and Vice Presidential candidate since 1972. My reason for this simple: she voted for cloture on the debate of the Patriot Act last week, in other words, she took a dump on the 4th Amendment. Mrs. Clinton is history as far as I'm concerned.

AFAIC, Molly Ivins is dead on.

[ChiciB1]

42. You Need To Read The Article... And It Was Just Reported On

by Wolfie at CNN!

Yahoo has a link... it's been posted here at DU too, but if you can't find it, I'll try to get it.

[NativeTexan]

37. Hey I am a Texas Democrat...

...you gotta love MOLLY!

[ChiciB1]

40. I've ALWAYS Loved Molly... Got A Chance To Meet Her In Person

before the election in 2004 here in Florida and get my picture taken with her!

And I used to be a Texas Democrat for a long long long time. I lived there for 16 years and graduated from, of all places Killeen High School, Ft. Hood that is. An Army brat to be sure, but it's not far from Crawford, TX!

I only step foot back into the state to see my sister from Round Rock, and to go to my high school reunions!

I remember Molly from Austin and have been a HUGE HUGE fan of hers for many years. I hope she weathers this new bout with her cancer. If we lose her... my heart will be broken. Wellstone died on my birthday and yesterday we lost another good one.

Let's NOT let Hillary and her gang do it to us! PULLLLEEEEZZZEE! I don't care HOW Ikes is promoting the issue, I think we ALL know exactly what's going on!!

[Sooner75]

50. Molly laid it down -- short and to the point.....

Molly's got several good points here. Like her, I don't want to be faced with the prospect of having to accept Hillary Clinton simply because she's got so much more money than anyone else. Hillary's viability fades out about 500 miles south and west of midtown Manhattan. Apparently, a lot of Democrats haven't figured that out, and they're all set to go into the "what happened?" cycle in November 2008.

Who can we blame but ourselves if we don't step up and get ourselves a REAL viable candidate for 2008?

[mmonk]

61. Nail, meet Molly, the hammer.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

62. Agree 99.92%

Replace "dirt" with "shit."

[pstans]

65. HaHa

:rofl:
:applause:
:toast:

[mcscajun]

66. When I read her column, I made that mental edit. I'm sure that's

exactly what she meant, too. Just can't print that in her column.

[dooner]

63. A lot of people are on the same page

many are just hypnotized by the media into meekly going along with the status quo.

Some straight talking might wake them up. We do need a real candidate. Hillary is not it.

[pstans]

64. Run Russ Run!

http://www.russforpresident.com/

[oc2002]

67. that should be the party platform, and that should be done now.

Democrat party is corrupt and needs to be cleansed.

[MODemocrat]

78. Perhaps she's rather have more of the DC fascists

I don't think she votes for the democrats anyway, so what is so unique about this article? I really did like her a lot at one time, but she's gone too far over the top for me. Sorry.;(

[timbnyc44]

79. I will not be supporting Senator Clinton...

FINALLY someone calls my Senator on her pandering to the right and war-mongering!!!!!


from the article:


Mah fellow progressives, now is the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of the party. I don’t know about you, but I have had it with the D.C. Democrats, had it with the DLC Democrats, had it with every calculating, equivocating, triangulating, straddling, hair-splitting son of a bitch up there, and that includes Hillary Rodham Clinton.

I will not be supporting Senator Clinton because: a) she has no clear stand on the war and b) Terri Schiavo and flag-burning are not issues where you reach out to the other side and try to split the difference. You want to talk about lowering abortion rates through cooperation on sex education and contraception, fine, but don’t jack with stuff that is pure rightwing firewater.

[SaveElmer]

81. I'll give the same weight to these comments by Molly...

That I did her endorsement of Ralph Nader....

[LincolnMcGrath]

82. That, at best is, another pseudo truth.

For the larger progressive community, the tension can be resolved by following the logic of Texas columnist

Molly Ivins. Her rule: Vote with your heart where you can, and vote with your head where you must. In states where either Gore or Bush has a commanding lead, vote Nader. In the states too close to call, vote Gore. In either case, the imperative is to end Republican control in Congress by electing Democrats, also vital to the prospects for progressive change.


P.S. When you google for damaging statements by Ms Ivins, you might want to go further than the DLC website. :shrug:

[SaveElmer]

83. Here is her article...and her comment...

"As for you voters in swing states, where you might actually make a difference -- why don't we wait and see how it looks in November? "

http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/1/2000/166

As to the main point, I will cede that I misrepresented it.

However, I still disagree with her recommendations in the recent article.

[LincolnMcGrath]

84. Thank You

inre: "I will cede that I misrepresented it"