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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 08:35 AM
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DKos: James Webb = George Allen's worst nightmare !
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2/8/6184/74317

Nice summary of what's in store for Sen. Georgie Allen. Includes a Poll !

<snip>
Translation from Allen-speak? D'oh! I am SO screwed! How am I going to run for President when I have to run for Senate as well. And how on earth am I going to go after an American hero like James Webb, a former Reagan Navy Secretary who was busy earning Navy Crosses and Silver Stars in Vietnam while I was, uh, in college during the Vietnam War? How am I going to win a debate against a guy who won an Emmy Award for his courageous reporting from Beirut? Oh shit.
<snip>

This should be a fun campaign :bounce:

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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 08:40 AM
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1. Look for Virginia to become Swift Boat Central...
Webb will be dragged through the mud...expect his citations to be questioned, and for people to come out of the woodwork to claim they were there when he supposedly earned them, but they know he didn't deserve them.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 08:59 AM
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3. Yes, I agree it will be nasty...however
while this tactic will most certainly work on the yahoos who live in the central and southwestern part of the state (God, Guns and Gays), it could seriously backfire on him much like it did with Kilgore in the recent race for Governor. He tried to run the campaign on wedge issues such as the death penalty and illegal immigration. Northern Virginians were focused on real issues like transportation and education, even Republicans leaning Loudoun County went for Kaine. You lose voters like that, you lose the race. Virginians for the most part are waking up.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 09:04 AM
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5. I agree...
I live in Northern Virginia, and I do not think it would go over well up here for sure. Allen is still popular though (not as much as Warner), so I expect he will win, but it is gonna be a bloody campaign, and hopefully will keep this doufus off the national ticket.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 09:00 AM
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4. Virginians are catching on....
I hope! Kaine ran a very clean campaign v. the mudslinging GOPPER Kilgore. As far as swiftboating Webb, I'd like to see them try :rofl:
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 08:56 AM
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2. And Secretary Webb had better
stay out of small airplanes.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 09:15 AM
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6. SWEET NECTAR OF LIBERTY!!!!
Condi Rice’s confirmation hearing
1/19/05
http://allen.senate.gov/?c=story&t=press&story=2005011961776.859375

Because of President Reagan's steadfast determination, hundreds of millions of people tasting that sweet nectar of liberty in central Europe are now friends and allies," said Senator Allen.

On the 2004 election
10/10/2004
http://www.vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?speech_id=69507
Ronald Reagan's election changed the dynamic of the Cold War from one of containment and co-existence to the advancement of freedom. As a result, hundreds of millions of people in Central Europe, once behind the Iron Curtain, now taste the sweet nectar of liberty, have joined NATO, and are true friends and allies.

Senator Allen's Tribute to President Reagan
June 8, 2004
http://www.nrsc.org/nrscweb/newsdesk/articles/401.shtml

But President Reagan believed the blessings of liberty must not be bestowed only on a few nations and only to those blessed to be born on free soil; Ronald Reagan, with the strength of his convictions, exported and advanced democracy to continents, countries, and people yearning to taste the sweet nectar of libert.



GOVERNOR ALLEN SELECTED AS "JEFFERSON SCHOLAR"
August 28, 1998
http://www.alec.org/viewpage.cfm?pgname=3.1aa56

He also pointed to North Korea, China, Iraq, Cuba and other countries where "there are people who have never truly tasted freedom's sweet nectar.

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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:08 AM
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9. LOL...you are a treasure!
These quotes will help swiftboat the swiftboatin' folks, which I'm sure are positioning themselves right now. Also, I didn't think there could be anyone dumber than Dubya!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:32 AM
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10. But look.... he wears cowboy boots!!!
Just like Ronnie!!!

SWEET NECTAR OF LIBERTY!!! ( I find that saying it like SpongeBob would actually makes it funnier)

I post this on almost every Allen thread I find just so people do what kind of a useful tool this dolt really is.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:07 AM
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13. You could also say it like W. C. Fields - it sounds like something
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 11:47 AM by calimary
straight outta his mouth.

Catchawave is correct - you ARE a treasure.

(besides, anybody who goes by the name of "Underpants" can't be all bad! :headbang:)

:yourock:

I've been a fan for a long time. :toast:

edit for proper spacing
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:13 AM
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14. Yaay!

WOW thanks!! :beer::headbang:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:49 AM
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16. Sweet Nectar of Liberty!
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 11:49 AM by calimary
Maybe his problem is, he's already drunk on it.

Or is that what your little emoticon is drinking?

:toast: :evilgrin:
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:12 PM
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19. Keep it coming, underpants!
That never gets old, and it still makes me laugh every time!
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 09:20 AM
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7. Would Allen be a contender as a Cheney replacement? That would
certainly help him run in '08.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:04 AM
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8. Gov Kaine would pick his replacement
which could be Mark Warner? Heh.Heh.Heh.

I think Bush would go with another crony, probably Harriet Myers :rofl:
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:40 AM
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11. If Bush is looking for someone as dumb or dumber than he is...
Then Allen is his man...
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:50 AM
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12. I said it a long time ago
I heard Rush say it

I heard Mary Matalin say it

Allen *IS* the frontrunner right now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1874101
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:45 AM
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15. They could certainly try it. HOWEVER...
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 11:46 AM by calimary
remember one critical thing:

If it comes to that - we have a sitting vice president taken down and forced to resign amid all kinds of never-ending crap swirling around him - from all quarters, involving all kinds of broken laws and violations of civil rights and other portions of the Constitution, that will leave such a cloud, such a sour taste toward republi-CONS in general that their prospects in '08, no matter who's leading their campaign, they'd VERY likely lose.

A scandal that big would be front-page headlines for months and will bleed all over a whole bunch of the rest of them, whether they're perceived to be involved or not. When Agnew, and then Nixon, too, went down, Republicans couldn't - um - pardon the pun - get arrested for love nor money in the next election. That's when Jimmy Carter got in. It was as though there was a pox on their house, the GOP suffered badly, across the board, the next time the voters spoke. Many of them, loyal Republicans themselves, were so disgusted and fed up that even THEY were saying it was time to give the other side a chance, for a change. It just left a REALLY bad taste in everyone's mouth, and it was NOT a good, or fun time to be a Republican. And what was really cool was that EVERYBODY KNEW IT!!!! The bad guys all scurried under rocks and stayed there (unfortunately, plotting an eventually successful return). But being a Republican was not something you bragged about, or even brought up in polite company for awhile. In short, it was QUITE lovely. And VERY well deserved.

So, frankly, bring 'em on. I don't care. If cheney goes down (and if his bad publicity continues - hell, even some of the guys at Pox "news" note openly how much cheney's hated), they'll have to enlist Oprah to have any chance to save their party in the next election. And that isn't likely. They'll all be rendered damaged goods.

ESPECIALLY... if cheney goes down amidst a maelstrom of legal trouble, which would KEEP him AND that legal trouble in the headlines, reminding everybody about it all the time, he'll be far too busy to operate the strings on his marionette who'll still be in the Oval Office. He'll try, of course, since he'll purportedly be off the radar. But knowing cheney, who's really only EVER in business for himself, his own personal woes will keep him preoccupied, and li'l ol' george will have to fend for himself. Furthermore, I'd suspect that, by then, kkkarl will have plenty of his own problems.

The fuckups will continue. Iraq ISN'T going to get any better. If we take off against Iran, too, THAT won't get any better, either, especially since Iran is far better able to defend itself, and has had a LOT of time to recover since the Iran/Iraq war. They're doing just fine. They will be a ferociously potent adversary. george and friends will, deep down, come to regret taking them on, as will all their supporters.

Look, I'm no psychic. If they're really shrewd, they'll jettison cheney BEFORE the next election, so they have a "fresh start," with a "fresh face" to show the public, to woo them, and Mr. (or Ms.) Fresh Face will be sent out on the stump like nobody's business like their own personal Superman/woman to save the party. There will be a lot of "that's over. That's so yesterday. We're new and improved. Bad all gone. dick who? Never heard of him. SO over. 9/11. Let's all move on, now, shall we, kiddies?" But it's not a sure bet how the public will react. The die-hard Kool-aid drinkers will fall for it like trees to the clear-cutters. But they comprise about 30 percent of the electorate. There's the rest of them, and the rest of us, who will be so thoroughly soured on the republi-CONS that the mood will shift toward Dems. It depends on our people, how hard they fight (and yes, on us, too), to secure that. If we make nice and do a Mary Beth Cahill and lay down for the swift boat swifties, then we're sunk. Which, I suppose, could happen. We still have dear darling Bob Shrum in there, the republi-CONS' best friend, and too many of the Good Guys still pay attention to people like him.

But look - the mood in the country is sour, and getting worse. LET THEM go to war against Iran. FINE. That'll gain them ground for about 20 minutes. I think we're too close, at this point, to reaching critical mass for the momentum to turn back to their favor. There's just too much shit going on. Too many new shitty things piling up. And there's the libby thing. And the NSA spying thing. And Judy Miller may have to testify again. And it could be rove this time. And there's the delay thing. And there's the Abramoff thing (which seems to be expanding by the hour). And there's the new load of Abu Ghraib photos. AGAIN, with this frankly ridiculous and - in a larger sense - trivial cheney shooting incident (at least, assuming the guy lives), it's an illustration of gross incompetence and poor handling of something on a national level. Um... haven't we heard/seen/experienced this same general type of fuckup before? Ask the folks in New Orleans, for example. It's been a pattern since forever with these people. And I think it's catching up with them. To our benefit. I think the voters will throw up their hands at these republi-CONS the next time the get the chance, and you may see a whole lot of changes in Washington.

I just hope our guys do the correct thing: POUND AWAY ON such things as "rEPUBLICAN-RUN Congress," "rEPUBLICAN-RUN Senate," "rEPUBLICAN-RUN Judiciary" and the rest. And if they'll just start using the "L" word in all its forms: LIARS, LYING, LIED, A LIE, KEEP LYING, JUST ANOTHER LIE, they ARE LYING, they've BEEN LYING, they're STILL LYING. And so forth.

There's another thought, too: are they really gonna want to pull a republi-CON out of the Senate for something - leaving an open spot that might go to a Democrat, cutting their lead by one? I know their pattern is to risk big. Maybe they do. Hard to say.

Basically, I think we just have to keep our eyes on the prize, make like ralph reed (and keep working to grow our party from the bottom up, and with stealth when necessary), and work toward achieving critical mass. Once we've achieved critical mass, the rest will take care of itself.

on edit -

Aw shit, I did it again. Sorry this is so long.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 01:08 PM
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17. Those are a ton of 'howevers!' Thanks for the bright outlook.
:dem:
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 02:30 PM
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18. Too bad he's a republican swift boat enabler who endorsed Allen in 2000
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 02:30 PM by WildEyedLiberal
I guess he's exciting if we want another Zell Miller.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 04:24 PM
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20. Zell Miller ?
Did you read his bio?

Here's a snip:

Mr. Webb has written six best-selling novels: Fields of Fire (l978), considered by many to be the classic novel of the Vietnam war, A Sense of Honor (l981), A Country Such As This (1983), Something To Die For (1991), The Emperor's General (1999) and Lost Soldiers (2001). He taught literature at the Naval Academy as their first visiting writer, has traveled worldwide as a journalist, and his PBS coverage of the U.S. Marines in Beirut earned him an Emmy Award from the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences.

In government, Mr. Webb served in the U.S. Congress as counsel to the House Committee on Veterans Affairs from l977 to l98l, becoming the first Vietnam veteran to serve as a full committee counsel in the Congress. During the Reagan Administration he was the first Assistant Secretary of Defense for Reserve Affairs from l984 to l987, where he directed considerable research and analysis of the U.S. military's mobilization capabilities and spent much time with our NATO allies. In 1987 he became the first Naval Academy graduate in history to serve in the military and then become Secretary of the Navy. He resigned from that position in 1988 after refusing to agree in the reduction of the Navy's force structure during congressionally-mandated budget cuts.

Among Mr. Webb's many other awards for community service and professional excellence are the Department of Defense Distinguished Public Service Medal, the Medal of Honor Society's Patriot Award, the American Legion National Commander's Public Service Award, the VFW's Media Service Award, the Marine Corps League's Military Order of the Iron Mike Award, the John Russell Leader-ship Award, and the Robert L. Denig Distinguished Service Award. He was a Fall, 1992 Fellow at Harvard's Institute of Politics.

Mr. Webb travels extensively, particularly in Asia, as a journalist, business consultant and screenwriter-producer. He speaks Vietnamese and has done extensive pro bono work with the Vietnamese community dating from the late l970's. In 1989 he met with key Japanese government and industrial officials as a featured guest of the Japanese Foreign Ministry. He has worked on feature film projects with many of Hollywood's top producers. His original story Rules of Engagement, which he also executive-produced, was released in April 2000 and starred Tommy Lee Jones and Samuel L. Jackson. It was the number one film in the US for two weeks. His fifth novel The Emperor's General was purchased by Paramount pictures as the largest book-to-film deal of 1998. His book Born Fighting, which is his first commercial non-fiction effort, was published in October 2004 by Broadway Books.

...http://www.webbforsenate.com/
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