Someone explain this to me? Wellstone and King

[KyndCulture]

I heard this several times today...That Coretta's funeral brought back memories of Wellstone's Memorial Service...

Can someone educate me on how these 2 events relate? Is it about the "press" reaction? That I can see.....

I am a Minnesotan and I really want to know why Mike Malloy and others said this today?

[WatchWhatISay]

1. Because both funerals turned out to be political

which both honorees would have wanted.

[KyndCulture]

2. well of course they would have!! nt.

[izzie]

26. I see it that way also. And this---

At RR how many times did we hear about the City on the Hill which he was about. He ran on that stuff and that is what the talked about. But the press does not talk about that. Oh those liberals in the press are really something. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[radio4progressives]

3. the fucking ignorant fascists pigs don't understand what King's legacy was

and so they're spinning the fact that people memoralized thier life's mission and great work - yes it was political, they were political enemies of the state, both Wellstone and King were assassinated - King was obvious, Wellstone was made to look like an accident.

Most all of our important leaders in the Left Movement,whether elected in office or leading movements, have been assasinated.

fuck those bastards - here's the reason why Coretta Scott King was memoralized in the way she was:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=355176

[lindisfarne]

4. The Republican spin on the Wellstone funeral was that it was

overly political. In fact, that really isn't true. There was one very emotional and political few minutes by a good friend of Wellstone and that's what upset many Republicans. But overall, the Wellstone funeral was a celebration of his life (which was, of course, a political life).

As for the King funeral: I personally feel that Jimmy Carter in particular never would have said the things he did about wiretapping without first ensuring that the family was ok with such political statements. I suspect the family decided that this was an opportunity to say the sorts of things that Coretta felt were important, in front of a national audience, and the family probably indicated in some way to the speakers that political statements were welcome.

[radio4progressives]

5. well guess what

King was illegally wire tapped and worse.

the national audience needed to hear it. people need to do their homework.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=355176

[BigYawn]

11. MLK was wiretapped? By who and some details please.

TYIA.

[China_cat]

24. By the FBI

wiretapping the least of the things the government pulled to try to discredit MLK and his work.

From http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/churchfinalreportIIIb.htm

From December 1963 until his death in 1968, Martin Luther King, Jr. was the target of an intensive campaign by the Federal Bureau of Investigation to "neutralize" him as an effective civil rights leader. In the words of the man in charge of the FBI's "war" against Dr. King:

No holds were barred. We have used techniques against Soviet agents. brought home against any organization against which we were targeted. We did not differentiate. This is a rough, tough business. 1

The FBI collected information about Dr. King's plans and activities through an extensive surveillance program, employing nearly every intelligence-gathering technique at the Bureau's disposal. Wiretaps, which were initially approved by Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, were maintained on Dr. King's home telephone from October 1963 until mid-1965; the SCLC headquarter's telephones were covered by wiretaps for an even longer period. Phones in the homes and offices of some of Dr. King's close advisers were also wiretapped. The FBI has acknowledged 16 occasions on which microphones were hidden in Dr. King's hotel and motel rooms in an "attempt" to obtain information about the "private activities of King and his advisers" for use to "completely discredit" them. 2

FBI informants in the civil rights movement and reports from field offices kept the Bureau's headquarters informed of developments in the civil rights field. The FBI's presence was so intrusive that one major figure in the civil rights movement testified that his colleagues referred to themselves as members of "the FBI's golden record club." 3

The FBI's formal program to discredit Dr. King with Government officials began with the distribution of a "monograph" which the FBI realized could "be regarded as a personal attack on Martin Luther King," 4 and which was subsequently described by a Justice Department official as "a personal diatribe ... a personal attack without evidentiary support." 5

[izzie]

29. Thank you. I knew the information was out there.

I would question some one who did not know this or have heard of it. Even if I lived these times I am unsure where to find the information. I do recall that movie stars were also watched by the FBI. You know people talked about the Civil Rights people almost like they talked about the terrorists. Or that is how I recall it. We had all those Left Wing and Right wing zealots running around the country blowing up things at the same time. Lots of unrest. They may not have called them road side bombs but things did happen and it was a wild time.

[BigYawn]

30. Did Attorney General Bobby Kennedy knew about the FBI doing this?

If yes, I believe Bobby approved it because J. Edgar Hoover
had extensive files on Bobby & JFK.

[China_cat]

31. Yes, he did

I get a good laugh out of the neocons and their supporters about protesting repukes. They seem to forget that some of the heaviest protesting was against Johnson and Democrats...until Nixon, of course.

[lindisfarne]

12. I wasn't criticizing the political statements; I was simply saying that

I felt the family was ok with them. The family has the right to have whatever kind of funeral they wish.

[AndyTiedye]

16. It Was "Too Political" Because The Faux Media All Said It Was

Somewhere around a third of the electorate...

Simply. Believe. Every. Single. Thing. The. Talking. Heads. Say. On. Television.

Karl Rove controls the media, and the media controls them. Absolutely.

[Erika]

18. Faux won't fight with the video of Coretta's anti war stance

Unless they wish to die a media's death.

[izzie]

28. The wire tapping of King was big in my days.

Hoover seemed to like to find out sex stuff on people or that was what was always said. It was a real news thing back in those Civil Rights days. I do not know how to look stuff up like that when it is so old but I guess I will have to fool around with Google. I wish I could get into some of the sites my son gets into at college. My problem, I bet, is that I can not pay for any service.

[azurnoir]

6. I was truly

hoping that the King family would take the same tac with * that Wellstones did with Cheney they asked him NOT to attend.

[KyndCulture]

8. NO kidding... * had no business being there!!!! nt

[lindisfarne]

14. I thought it was great Bush was there: he was force to hear criticism

that he is usually protected from when he talks in front of hand-selected audiences of Bush supporters.

[CTyankee]

27. But did you see that silly smile on his face?

I kept wondering what in god's name was he smiling about. Sigh. I guess it was good that he heard it but damn, his presence there was just sickening.

[Blue Belle]

32. * didn't listen to any of it...

He never listens to anyone who holds a different opinion than his.

[sandnsea]

7. St Ronnie is the hero of freedom and democracy

Not the Kings. Just go read some of his eulogies, you'll get it all straight in your mind in no time at all. They say political stuff at their funerals too, Democrats just say it louder. Anal retentive blue lips don't show emotion unless they're back stabbing someone or bombing people off the planet.

[Dr Fate]

9. The connection is any time Liberals say anything, the media attacks us.

That is the basic connection. That and both were funerals.

[Erika]

17. But how can the MSM attack us when we agreed

with Coretta's life video?

Notice they backed off big time? They know they better think twice before they attack the Kings and the democrats.

Coretta's supporters weren't shy in showing their support for Bill Clinton.

Yeah, they will back off big time.

[Dr Fate]

19. You are right-they will only back off if we make them.

I hope you are right about the Kings and the Democrats- I have yet to see the so-called Liberal media back down from a target.

[Erika]

20. Just look at the headlines

The politicization has stopped.

[Awsi Dooger]

10. Our handicapping continues to be inept

For the life of me I can't understand the idiotic tunnel vision fury to go negative at every opportunity, and to invent opportunities when they're not even there, like today. I'll be condemned for this, but as soon as I saw the political remarks I immediately thought of the Wellstone memorial and literally screamed, since we hadn't learned a damn thing from 2002. Perception becomes reality and as soon as you get political remarks at a memorial like that you know damn well that aspect will be pounced upon by the cable networks and essentially redefine the service itself, and hardly in our favor.

Just last night there was a thread here asking why we didn't propose an alternative budget. My response was, "No doubt planning our next pointless attack. " Ha! Little did I know it would be mere hours later.

Then there's a thread here tonight about Democrats being in worse shape than anticipated heading into the 2006 midterm. No kidding. And hardly unrelated. We've yet to understand only outside influences can negatively impact the current administration. Nothing Democrats or MoveOn, etc. say has any impact at all. It's like a masochistic marathon toward November as long as we continue to go negative. We need alternative specific proposals and to emphasize them, not mere afterthoughts between the next 80 or 400 irrelevant attacks on Bush.

[Erika]

15. Hey, I loved the Missouri thread

Democrats onward and upward! Way to go!

[Erika]

23. You do sound like some sort of a victim

I'm sure you don't intend to sound like a republican?

[Dr Fate]

25. Okay- when DO we get to say true things about Bush on TV?

When he is out of office?

2000 was when they said Gore invented the internet. Right before that was Clinton's impeachment.

2002 was when they Morphed Max Cleland's face inot Bin Ladens.

2004 was Swiftboat time.

It's Bush/GOP who wins with negative campainging. We always play the nice guy.

[Erika]

13. What was great about this was Coretta's' video, totally anti-war

That's when the bushbot stations shut up.

Our country has had enough of the censorship by the administration and their hacks.

[KyndCulture]

21. Ok lemme explain.. I have a small piece of molten smelly metal..

that fits in the palm of my hand but usually lives on a shelf above my computer on a silk with several other things that to me are important, like pics of my kids.. this twisted piece of metal that still smells like jet fuel is from the plane crash that Paul and Sheila Wellstone died in. It was given to me by one of rescuers that responded to the crash scene, but in 2004 for continuing the fight that they would have wanted....


So I am very curious why today is like the day we remembered the Wellstones.....

[Erika]

22. The likeness has stopped

You don't fight Coretta King. Even the GOP aren't that stupid.

[Armstead]

33. Because both were brief returns of inspiring liberalism

Both were events that embodied peope who had been inspiring leaders in movements for positive social change based on basic liberal and progressive principles.


Both also were attacked by the Right Wing media Hall Monitors as being "inappropriate because they were political.

As if Ronald Reagan's week long funeral extravaganza celebrating conservatism wasn't political.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

34. The event in Williams Arena was NOT Wellstone's funeral

It was a public memorial service. The actual funeral had taken place the day before in Temple Israel near downtown Minneapolis.