Double-checking: Kerry voted for NCLeft Behind, Patriot Act, and Iraq?

[Tweed]

I don't mean this to be a smear at all, I just want to make sure. I think I've read this several places, I was wondering if anyone had links offhand to show this officially? Besides, if anyone wants to take this as a smear, what does that say about Kerry? Thank you in advance.

[slinkerwink]

1. yes, he did vote for NCLB, Patriot Act, and Iraq

He now criticizes them----*snarf*---too bad he didn't criticize them before he voted for them.

[Zynx]

3. John Kerry rarely makes the right call before hand.

He's great at saying he made a mistake, but the fact he says that so much tells me something.

[bicentennial_baby]

6. My feelings about Kerry's IWR vote are best summed up

with these lyrics by A Perfect Circle:

"And not to tear you halo down,
Around your neck and tug you to off your cloud,
But I'm more than just a little curious
How you plan to go about making your amends
To the dead..."

[liberalnurse]

19. I thingKerry has internalized his view on NCLB....

He is a man of intense feelings, this has inspired me to take a second look at Kerry......


http://home.pacbell.net/dyewrks/dean4america/croc.html

[Nicholas_J]

26. Fortunately

The vast majority of the voters so far, have accepted Kerry's interpretation of these acts, and how they were abused by the Bush Administration. So far in every vote that has occurred, the voters have overwhelmngly supported the candidates who voted for NCLB, the Patriot Act, The Iraq Resolution, nad have overwhelmingly turned against the candidates who have attacked that vote, particularly those candidates who did not have to vote at all, and have had continually changing stances on the issues, depending on the polling.

There are candidates who claim they opposed Iraq, but if you look at statements they made prior to the attack in March, you will see that some candidates actually stated that they way they would have handled it was to do exactly the same thing Bush ended up doing.

So it is obvious that Kerry's and Edwards stance on their votes has been far more trusted by a rather diverse group of people throughout the United States. WHen you consider that Iowans and People from New Hampsire have overwhelmingly supported candidates who supposedly voted for these acts is sure proof that a large percentage of the gives its support to the Patriot Act, NCLB, and the Iraq Vote.

The public is speaking and polls are speaking even louder, as the two candidates who supported all of these pieces of legislation are overwwhelmingly ahead of the cnadidates who state they didnt, or would not have, though we cannot really know what they would have done due to statemenmts in which they have given support to these things in the past.

It is good to see that the public is well aware of who is an candidate worth trusting, and who is not.

[lastknowngood]

2. and he failed to even show up to vote

against the end to overtime bill. Sad very sad isn't it.

[slinkerwink]

4. he also missed 79% of votes in Congress this year......

what a way to represent us, Sen. Kerry!

[girl gone mad]

9. He doesn't show up to vote...

more than 56% of the time.

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. Kerry, Edwards and Lieberman all three, missed the vote on the overtime

bill. Nice, huh? Why would they care? It doesn't affect them. :grr:

[bobbyboucher]

5. I could defend those as pragmatic,

NCLB was co-sponsored by Kennedy was it not? It is Bush and the Repubes that didn't fund it. The Patriot Act was a quick reaction to find terrorists in the US after 9/11, and Kerry would probably be for repealing it or curbing some of its more constitution infringing elements. As for Iraq, who knew that Bush would "Fuck it up so badly".

[girl gone mad]

10. Anyone who was paying attention. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. I knew he would

fuck it up as bad as he did. If "I" knew...Johnny knew.

[Old and In the Way]

7. There are plenty of threads that discuss these distortions.

But, hey, don't let that stop you from asking the same question over and over and over again.

[jpgpenn]

16. "distortions"?

you shouldn't call other Dem's willing to point out facts distorters of fact. The votes and lack there of, ALL took place!

[SheilaT]

25. It's a distortion to note

how he voted? What a fascinating way to characterize it!

I got absolutely blasted several days ago for pointing out these things. I was all but called a liar here on the board. It seems as though for some people here the truth hurts.

[girl gone mad]

8. Yes, he voted for them.

He now says that his IWR vote was a vote to "give Bush the option of responsible use of force". He's talking out of both sides of his mouth, as usual, because the IWR was a vote to give the Executive Branch unchecked power to declare war. As Clark and others have pointed out, everyone in Washington knew what the White House's course of action was going to be at the time IWR was passed.

Kerry's supporter's might tell you that the good Senator didn't have a choice. Ask them to explain why several other Democratic senators voted against the IWR, and why the majority of Democrats in the House voted against it.

Kerry's vote was an example of political opportunism of the worst kind.

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. Shhhhhhhhh!

You aren't suppose to remind people that Kerry is directly responsible for killing over 500 U.S. soldiers and thousands of Iraqi citizens. Don't remind us that he had a direct hand in taking away our civil rights along with Asscroft. Don't remind us that the NCLB is a pathetic excuse for education reform. Shhhhhhhhhhh........silence.

Go Wes!

Edwards and Lieberman are in the same boat with Kerry. They all voted for the IWR and the Patriot Act. Edwards STILL thinks the Iraq war is the right thing to do. Kerry said "we were right in taking out Saddam." *sigh*

[jjmalonejr]

13. Except Clark said he would have voted for the IWR...

...but then flip-flopped when his supporters went apeshit!

Good thing he never had to actually cast a vote, huh?

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. Wrong. What he ACTUALLY said was

he would have had to actually READ the resolution and see if it involved getting the UN involved. He said he would NEVER have given the chimp free reign to go to war. He would NOT have voted for the IWR.

[Nicholas_J]

28. Correct

But anyone reading the resolution sees that it does not give authorization to attack Iraq unless certain events occred first such as completely allowing the U.N. to exhaust diplomatic means. Tere is nothing in the act that allows Bush to attack without the U.N. unless he proves that there is an imminent threat to U.S. security.

People are beginning to realize that those who try to interpret the October Resolution as a vote for war are not being truthful, and this showed clearly in both Iowa an New Hampshire and is showing very clearly in the polls for the votes coming up this week.

As a matter of fact, the way the polls look, If Clark said he would have signed it, he might have done better in New Hampshire, as in other polls only Clark comes close to being considered to be a cndidate who cna beat Bush. Kerry comes out ahead of Bush, but Clark alone falls withing range of being able to compete with Bush and maybe beat him

Months ago I said that signing the Iraq Resolution would not prove to be a detriment, but a plus for the candidates who signed it, and this is proving to be so.

[JNelson6563]

18. just checking in to mark the moment

of complete agreement with you.

I always mark such moments with folks I usually completely disagree with.

:toast:

Julie

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. Hey Julie...

We are fighting the same fight...this time! :toast:

[PassingFair]

14. What a pleasantly straightforward thread!

Tennis anyone?

[Name removed]

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[polpilot]

17. Yes. Go to the DLC site for a look at the establishment pro-war Kerry &

the Kerry pro-war DLC cheerleaders.

Dean '04...

[Edge]

20. Yes he did.

And how can this guy represent us in the election is beyond me.

[Cocoa]

21. why is NAFTA never included in this list of bad votes?

It seems like people have settled on SAME THREE VOTES that show how bad Kerry is.

Funny that these people aren't similarly opposed to NAFTA, which has also been a big issue in this campaign.

Also, a surprisingly small number of people are enthusiatic supporters of single-payer health care, and denouncing anyone who is for continuing the for-profit healthcare system. Seems like a natural for DU.

Could it be that people are seeing where Dean's positions are, and then tailoring their outrage accordingly? :shrug:

[Nicholas_J]

29. Again

Has anyone here read NAFTA.

The claim that it is a bad act is only based on the fact that the regulatory requirements of the legislation have not been enforced.

The original bill had strong regulatory enforcements which were removed,, but these were replaced with requirements that the particupatory nations begin moving towards better labor standards, and better envirommental standards, and that the signatories would abide by them and also regularly police the situation to check on the status of these conditions being worked on by the signatory that was more economically backwards (Mexico was supposed to begin to improve its labor and environmental standards, and the U.S. and Canada were supposed to police it. Bush stopped enforcement efforts.

[knight_of_the_star]

27. Quick Question

How many Senators voted against PATRIOT?

I don't know the names off the top of my head, but I KNOW that I can count the number on ONE hand. I know that Russ Feingold was one of them.