Which State Will End Up Being The 'Florida' Of 2004

[THUNDER HANDS]

Meaning, which state do you believe will decide the outcome of the 2004 election, should it be as razor-close as it was in 2000.

My vote goes to Ohio. This is THE state we MUST win.

[funky_bug]

1. As long as Jeb governs Florida

that's the state we need to worry about. Blood seems to be thicker than justice, if you know what I mean.

[leyton]

2. Didn't they all decide?

Since Gore lost by such a small margin, couldn't you argue that every state decided the election? For example, if it had not been for West Virginia going to Bush, Gore would be in the White House.

But as for the one that will keep me up all night, I'll go with Ohio.

[bushwakker]

3. I don't think OH is must win

didn't win it last time and still beat Bush. Oddly enuf I think NH is a must win. Not necessarily in term of the electoral colleege but as a sign of general discontent with the Bush Crime Family. Clinton won it twice - never understood how Gore lost it in 2000.

[Carl Spackler]

4. Kaleefornia

[AntiCoup2K4]

6. Yep. That was the entire point of "electing" the GropenFuhrer

To fix Colleeforneea and deliver 54 electoral votes to the Bush Criminal Empire. The UN election observers should plant their asses all over that state. And Florida.

[loudsue]

7. I agree, Carl...California...the fix is in since the gropernator won

That is why they had to go through all that jerrymandering to get a bush-sympathizer into the governor's office. California STILL refuses to reel in the faulty voting machines...they can't wait until the 2004 election to make it appear that Californians voted repuke.

Watch the news prior to the general election: The news stations will start saying "polling in California shows George Bush by a good margin"....just like they said about Arnold the week before the vote.

:kick:

[mikehiggins]

9. California is my choice also

Arnold as governor does make it necessary to make much more of an effort in California, even if his influence is still limited at the moment insofar as the elections are concerned.

I doubt he will try to interfere with the actual votings lists, etc., like Jeb did, but his presence on the stump with Bush will be a big help to the GOP, and smooth things out quite a bit in getting around the state.

We can't take California for granted in this election, which means money will have to be spent there that might have been spent somewhere else.

[knight_of_the_star]

19. Don't bet on it

Arnold isn't doing so hot now that he's the one running the show, for one. For two, Diebold, thanks to our Sec. of State, isn't going to set foot in this state so we don't have to worry about the votes being rigged electronically.

[GreenArrow]

5. Ohio and Diebold's president...

"It is Diebold's president, heavy-hitting Bush contributor Walden O'Dell, who stated in an Aug. 14 fund-raising letter to Ohio Republicans: "I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinion/story/7837475p-8778055c.html

He "regrets" saying it now. I'm sure he does.

[lastknowngood]

8. California

That is why they put the gropenator in power so he could appoint a Katherine Harris clone to purge the democratic rolls just before the election.

[AbbeyRoad]

10. I agree with some..

on this thread.

I think California might prove to be a problem.

[rockymountaindem]

11. I'm not worried about CA

Think about this. They had a repub. Governor (Pete Wilson) all the while they voted for Clinton. Look at the mayoral race in San Francisco, where the Green almost beat the Democrat. There are so many hispanics there... I think that one's safe. I'm worried about Florida again. Does anyone know if their legislature is Repug or Dem?

[AlFrankenFan]

15. Agreed

And living here it ain't gonna be no picnic.

[knight_of_the_star]

20. Don't work that way

WE elect our Secretary of State. Not an appointed position.

[Adjoran]

12. Not Ohio, for sure

We need to put our resources into the places we lost very narrowly in 2000, but have a chance to win this year. Louisiana and West Virginia top my list, followed by NH. (LA because of the successes we have had in statewide races the last two years).

Historically, if we are in a position to win Ohio, it will only be because we are winning nearly everywhere. I think we should concentrate on the states we'll need if it is very close, instead.

Just as no Democrat has ever been elected without at least two southern states (and only Clinton managed with only two), no repub has ever won without Ohio. They know that as well, and will certainly be pouring resources in to hold their turf.

[Auntie Bush]

13. Florida

Jeb Bush will make sure the fix is in!

[PeakOil2008]

14. Ohio is far more Democratic than Republican. Our State Dems, however...

...are in disarray, and have pretty much been that way since term-limits took effect in the 90s. Unfortunately, the state level party is also traditionally responsible for organizing the national presidential campaign within the state. And with no clear cut leaders or the vision to carry the state forward, Ohio Dems are unable to mobilize the state's huge union/labor and urban bases to support the Democratic presidential nominee.

It's not even that the Ohio GOP is untouchable. With an inept Governor like Bob Taft, and a GOP-dominated state legislature more interested in banning Gay marriage than resolving our state's school funding problems, they are virtually anything but unstoppable. However, they ARE organized. And that's what kills us. Taft, unpopular as he may be, will still be able to campaign around the state with Bush, without having to face off against a preeminent Ohio Democratic Party leader and the Democratic presidential nominee. That's what tilts Ohio towards the RED.

ON EDIT: I'd just like to add that I believe we can stop the Ohio GOP and Bush, but we Ohio Democrats must organize to take over the state party.

[mb7588a]

16. Arizona, California

[onebigbadwulf]

17. America's wang - it just wants all the attention

=)

[HuckleB]

18. Oregon. Our mail in ballots will push this thing out for years.

That's how Bush will stay in office.

[genius]

21. California. Kevin Shelley is going back on his convenion promise to

decertify Diebold if there was more evidence that they were insecure. There is more evidence and he doesn't care.

[knight_of_the_star]

22. Ummm

Didn't he issue a statement that's on the department's website that says he won't accept Diebold until they fix all the bugs in the system?

[genius]

23. He's letting the Diebold mahines go in.

He needs to take action.

[SheilaT]

24. Any state that's

likely to be very close in the popular vote and has a Republican legislature who will then certify the Republican slate of electors.

There are probably several candidates out there.

[SixShooter]

25. FL or OH

Both are must wins but Id have to go with my home state of FL..once again!