Is anyone debunking Skull & Bones conspiracy?

[m-jean03]

Is anyone on the Net debunking the conspiracy as carefully as the rhetoric has been assembled - point by point? Or can You? Thank you. MJ

[sleipnir]

1. No because it's true.

Sorry, you can't "debunk" Facts, as hard as you try. The truth hurts sometimes, as sometimes it points to evil in places you never thought you'd find it, like S&B and their members.

[Exultant Democracy]

5. no, because it is so silly

no one serious would ever waste their time on it. It is common knowledge that S&B is hardly even an organization anymore. There was a huge schism when they started to let women into the society, people like Kerry came down in favor of women while Poppy and Chimpy came down against it. Right now the campus group can hardly even afford to pay for it's own social events because there is so much apathy among the alumni.

[stickdog]

Exactly, it's just like LIHOP! (nt)

[snoochie]

31. Exactly

:(

[m-jean03]

7. Sorry,

I think it is baloney.

[Maddy McCall]

2. I guess I am one of three people here who doesn't give a royal shit

about Skull and Bones "conspiracies."

[wyldwolf]

4. No, the whole country doesn't give...

... a rat's ass about it.

[Algorem]

15. Is one of those Geronimo,who's skull was stolen by Prescott Bush?

[Maddy McCall]

24. I guess it's placed above the coffin Kerry masturbated in?

:eyes:

[snoochie]

33. Perhaps one should investiage claims before dismissing them out of hand

That's what we'd ask Republicans to do if we were trying to talk to them about LIHOP, right?

I Stole the Head of Prescott Bush! More Scary Skull and Bones Tales

Here’s where the Bush family involvement in the grave-robbing allegation begins. In 1986, someone–a still-anonymous unknown source–sent an excerpt from a privately printed Skull and Bones document to the chairman of the San Carlos Apache tribe in Arizona, one Ned Anderson. The document was entitled A Continuation of the History of Our Order for the Century Celebration. Its author, I have since learned, was Skull and Bones member F.O. Matthiessen, later a Harvard professor renowned for his groundbreaking studies of classic 19th-century American literature. I’ve also learned that the original of the document reposes now in a Harvard library where, under an agreement with Matthiessen’s executors and Skull and Bones, it is not available to the public.

The document is an account of a "mad expedition" by George W.’s grandfather Prescott Bush and two other Skull and Bones men to the grave of Geronimo "to bring to the Tomb its most spectacular ‘crook,’ the skull of Geronimo, the Indian chief who had taken 49 white scalps. … Bush entered and started to dig. The skull was fairly clean, having only some flesh inside and a little hair."

I was recently able to confirm, from a copy of an official Skull and Bones directory (whose provenance I can’t disclose), that in fact George W.’s grandfather Prescott was stationed at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, site of Geronimo’s tomb, in 1918 at the U.S. Army artillery training school there, along with Ellery James and Neil Mallon, the other two men mentioned as part of the tomb-raiding party.

Note the language: They say they’ll bring back to the Tomb "its most spectacular ‘crook.’" Which suggests that the Tomb contains an array of other somewhat less spectacular but similarly stolen skulls.

[Zomby Woof]

39. Skull & Bones owns Pizza Hut!

:hi: jchild!

[codegreen]

3. here's one i just cooked up

here's my thoughts on it, could be considered a philosophical debunk:

let's assume Skull and Bones is indeed an evil, right wing, illuminati-esque secret society and everything else that entails.

now, we have a young John Kerry join their ranks. after college, he joins the army. he serves in Vietnam.

and- something in him changes there.

he comes back and leads a resistant anti-war movement! that is not behaviour consistent with the trappings of a loyal member of an evil underground society. those Skull and Bones people are supposed to be Republicanesque, toe-the-line ar$eholes.

so, my theory is, he rejected their evil influence and betrayed them. and for this they hate him.

thus, his running against Bush would be ever more so the clash between evil rightwing Skull and Boner versus the radical traitor to their evil cause.

then again, maybe all of this is ridiculous. but that's my take on it.

[lcordero]

9. anti-war movement? he could have been cointelpro

[codegreen]

14. cointelpro?

i've never heard of that phrase... does your point have something to do with his supposed 'blank check' vote for the IWR? because, as he always points out, Bush broke all of his promises regarding that. blame where blame is due. let's also not forget he was fed misleading, cooked intelligence prior to that vote.

[lcordero]

20. I was talking about the anti-war movement against Vietnam

he could have been cointelpro back then.

[codegreen]

23. google'd it to get the meaning

okay, well it doesn't look retrospectively to me like he was trying to derail the movement... and they did succeed in the end...

[lcordero]

25. successful?

I've met a lot of activists that are missing teeth, were battered blind, and have deformed arms or legs from the beatdowns that they got from the cops.

[tryanhas]

16. Listen dude, or dudette! I will say it again.

Skull and Bones IS NOT RIGHT-WING!

It OWNS the special interests.

It needs both Republicans and Democrats in it to get it's goals accomplished in this country.

It needs a Democrat like Kerry and a Republican like Bush to create a fluke election to ensure that it holds on to the White House.

I bet you they discussed this way back in the day at Yale, in the tomb, and please don't say that "THEY DIDN'T GO TO YALE AT THE SAME TIME."

From Kerry's own words on Meet the Press in August 2003:

MR. RUSSERT: Let me turn to the man you’d like to unseat if you become the Democratic nominee, and that’s George Bush. You’d spoke to Vogue magazine in March, and said this. “Kerry is unguarded in his comments about the man whose job he is currently after. He says his colleagues are appalled at the president’s ‘lack of knowledge’... And...he says, ‘They have managed him the same way they managed Ronald Reagan. They send him out to the press for one event a day, they put him in a brown jacket and jeans and get him to move some hay or drive a truck, and all of a sudden he’s the Marlboro Man. I know this guy. He was two years behind me at Yale, and I knew him, and he’s still the same guy.’”

What does that mean?

SEN. KERRY: I believe that President Bush is a very likable fellow, and I respect—I think he’s a good man who wants to do good things.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3080246/


I repeat, they had this fluke race planned all along.

[bitchkitty]

6. Mmmm, no. Don't think so.

Go for it. Point by point.

[m-jean03]

11. Would like to

But I'm busy, and I like other people to do my work for me;-)

I think it's silly baloney and I was curious what other people were saying against it. I think it is very lightweight if anything.

[wyldwolf]

8. When someone credible publishes proven information in a reputable source..

... then, and only then, will it even be worthy of spending the time to debunk.

[tryanhas]

10. Ignore it at your own peril...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0972020721/qid=1075515669//ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i8_xgl14/002-1585674-0450464?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0972020705/qid=1075515669//ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i4_xgl14/002-1585674-0450464?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Please, do us all a favor and go home John Kerry.

But, hey, Skull and Bones has too much to lose if you don't so you won't, but if you get the nomination, we all are losers.

[oasis]

17. "If Kerry gets the nomination, we are all losers"?? What do we lose?

[tryanhas]

19. Read Post #18 from this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=234471

[oasis]

28. "reduce the world's population from 6.5 billion to 3 billion.Bush is more

likely to make that happen than anyone else on the planet, providing any one person could.

When this secret society was formed, how would the founding members know the population would need pruning by the 21 century? A secret society has a master plan of wiping out half the world's population.

That's quite an undertaking.

[tryanhas]

34. Like I said, Skull and Bones works along with other groups

The biggest one is this one:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0595210554/qid=1075519469//ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i5_xgl14/002-1585674-0450464?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

It was created in 1776 for the single reason of establishing a "One World Government" an essential piece of the "New World Order," and globalization and McWorld (technology) is getting us closer and closer to the place where that is possible, unlike it was even 20 years ago.

Now, they used to have an official website up, and in that website, they detailed all of their plans including the one about "New World Order" and reducing the world's population to 3 billion and they had their motto of "freedom is the only thing worth fighting for (sound familiar GWB?). Those who will not fight for freedon don't deserve to live."

The site started getting too many hits, so they took it down and put up the "we'll be seeing you soon" message: http://www.illuminati.org/

What is their symbol?

It's the pyrmamid with the eye? Sound familiar?

It's the same pyramid with the eye that is on the back of the U.S. ONE DOLLAR BILL, and the AOL, America Online Logo (pyramid with eye). The "CBS EYE" is just the eye without the pyramid.

Control the media, control the people (it plays a vital role in shaping the public's perception of reality, especially through the news). Even most people on this board will agree with that.

Now, I'M NOT A PERSON WHO WALKS AROUND TALKING ABOUT THIS ALL OF THE TIME and I'm definitely not crazy. I don't go around trying to prove this stuff to people, and I don't wrap myself up in researching stuff like this, but when I do find out something that I know for a fact, and that is, that Kerry is a member of Skull and Bones, I wash my hands of him. No one else has to, but I am. I could care less about Skull and Bones and the Illuminati as a measure of how I live my life, but I'm not voting for a known bonesman.

I like "CONSPIRACY THEORIES," but I have learned that not everything that sounds crazy is. Both of those groups are real. Like someone else said, the measure, and extent of their purpose is what is debated.

I chose to try and keep one of them out of the White House...

[arewethereyet]

12. you know, if you really wanted to slam Kerry you could do it

but to harp on this silly Skull and Crossbones thing is so lame as to be be laughable. Its even sillier than Botox.

Like my Dad always told me, do what ever you choose but do it well. Skull and Crossbones is doing it poorly.

[Monte Carlo]

13. You believe in things you don't understand, superstition ain't the way...

Whether or not this master Skull n' Bones plot exists, unless someone has some actionable information, something substantial, I don't think this endless speculation serves much use.

Come on, Skull n' Bones rules the world? Isn't that just another name for rich white men?

[Algorem]

18. Facts are silly things,right?

[tryanhas]

21. You people kill me, lol!!! BWAHAHAHA!!!

You want some "actionable information"???

That's why it's called a SECRET SOCIETY, duh!!!

Did you not just see those links that I just posted to books where the authors have done extensive research on Skull and Bones? They dug through the secrets and got some information.

If that's not enough to get you to rethink supporting a bonesman, a member of a group that has destroyed the lives of millions historically, then nothing will...

[fujiyama]

22. It's nonsense...

I have no interest in wasting time reading about some secret society conspiracies.

Ok, so Kerry, a S&B member, could have easilly skipped out on Vietnam and got himself in the national guard or got work at an investment bank, or could have done a million other damn things. Why the hell would someone risk their life then? Or wait was his war service all a ploy too? Was it all an act? Was he actually secretly protected when over there?

He faught and then came home, realizing that it was an unjust war.

If people are going to attack Kerry for his apparent "flip flopping", fine. I think there's some substance to that. If they're going to mine his record and find discrepencies and inconsistancies, that's fine too. If there are any policy statements, proposals, or votes they don't agree with, I would urge them to state it. Any concerns about his "electibility"? Great. That's also an issue worth discussing.

However, I have seen absolutely NO EVIDENCE that Kerry's membership of S and B has had any affect on his tenure in public service, none. His record is overall very liberal, and has arguably become more opportunistic and politically calculated in the last few years. However, I somehow doubt that has anything to do with S and B. It might just have to do with his political ambitions and interest in running for president.

[tryanhas]

26. LOL, typical

And why is it nonsense???

Because it's not "CONVENTIONAL WISDOM"?

Because the numbers don't back it up?

You act like this information was just pulled out of thin air because you aren't used to hearing about it, ooooooooooh, ON THE NEWS.

I'm so sure that "SECRETS OF THE TOMB" was made up, by the best-selling NY Times author. Whatever.

There are more than enough books out there on the history of Skull and Bones for you to just dismiss it because, "OH MY, IT SOUNDS LOONIE!"

Sending a man to the moon once sounded foolish.

Flying an airplane once sounded foolish.

"SAILING WEST??? ARE YOU MAD!? YOU WILL FALL OFF OF THE EARTH BECAUSE IT IS FLAT" was once the CONVENTIONAL WISDOM, and saying the earth was round once sounded foolish.

"Atoms"? They don't exist. "Yes they do" once sounded foolish.

How many times to people have to be slapped in the face, or proven wrong before they learn the lesson that just because it sounds foolish doesn't mean that it is.

YOU VOTE FOR KERRY, AND YOU ARE SUPPORTING THE PROBLEM IN AMERICA!

Skull and Bones owns the special interests, period.

[fujiyama]

30. It may be true..

that S and B sends people to influential positions in both business and government. I would probably also agree that many of its members did very bad things. I'll also admit I don't know enough about the organization and its impact on who holds power in government and business.

However, you never mentioned how Kerry's association with S&B has had any affect on his career.

Look, I don't have any particular affection for secret societies, but I can't blame Kerry, as a college student, for joining some club that would assure him great a future of fortune and power. Maybe he though it was frat for rich boys or it was some sort of leadership organization. Even now, I would prefer that he simply spills the beans about the stupid club...but there is a very real possibility that he alienated most of its members long ago and has no real association with any of them now.

[tryanhas]

29. One more thing

John Kerry. Man he's scary, lol! :D

[ibegurpard]

27. Skull and Bones isn't a conspiracy

It actually exists. Whether or not it's as sinister as some would have us believe, I have no idea.

[YNGW]

32. I hope not.

That's some of the best comedy material written on here. I expect the Skull & Bones to provide many threads of entertainment now and in the months to come.

[molly]

35. YEP - we have at least 3 threads a day on it - even before

the primaries started.

[Mobius]

36. How can you debunk documented FACT?

:shrug:

[sleipnir]

38. That's what I've been saying!

You can't argue facts, but then again people tried to argue the the world was flat and the Sun revolved around the Earth, but they were all wrong, just like those who don't believe that S&B is a serious issue. They'd just rather go on believing the Earth is flat and that their Dem candidate of choice is innocent and not a good friend of GWB and his ilk.

[cosmicdot]

37. S&B would have helped Poppy and * if the association meant anything

... on second thought ... never-mind ........... }(

Power of the government should never be put in the hands of the Pierce-Walker-Bushies ... I don't think they ever got over having their business taken from them for dealing with the enemy. Part of their motivation ~imo~ is revenge in the most profitable, which can be destructible, way. Anything FDR achieved, e.g., is certainly subject to bushwhacking.

The 'secret' thing RE secret societies is the information we don't know ... and, this could all be put behind us if someone outed the whole bunch, and Yale pulled the plug, but, that doesn't appear to be something that will happen.

A secret society is a society that conceals its activities from nonmembers.

Anyone been to a KKK meeting? Yet, we know some things about the KKK.

http://www.ctrl.org/boodleboys/boodleboys1.html

[ngGale]

40. Debunking the Skull & Bones..

No--don't think anyone can debunk it. There is too much information. Without the INTERNET, don't think it would have gotten so much attention. Let's just say that at best Kerry is GW's 'frat brother.' That said, there is still a favor owed here. Even normal frats would do that. Always thought it was a myth. But when you look into it, there are people in positions of power all over the world. Their plans do not work all the time. It has taken many years, but I see the basic plan has worked. All too well.

[bigtree]

41. Great bunch of accusers though Take a look

The authors of this smear huddle at http://www.fleshingoutskullandbones.com /:

Antony C. Sutton, editor of an excellent monthly newsletter, Phoenix Letter, stated in the October, 1996 edition:
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/newstart/bohemian-grove /

“Up to a few months ago, our knowledge of Bohemian Grove, the exclusive elitist hideaway by supposedly adult wheeler dealers, a.k.a. Washington statesman and prominent people (all male).

We dismissed the behavior as immature, even pitiful, by emotionally disturbed juveniles and not worth attention. This is where Kissinger, Ford, Nixon, Bechtel, Bush, Cheney, Hoover and their friends (2600 members) hang out and “relax.” And if they want to behave as little boys that is their privilege, it is private property.

Recent information may radically change this perception of Bohemian Grove. Not merely drunkenness, unbounded use of alcohol and drugs with vague homosexual tones (confirmed by our sources) but reported activities much more serious – kidnapping, rape, paedophilia, sodomy, ritual murder. Investigation is blocked under the 1947 National Security Act.(!) and like the Omaha child abuse case, includes illegal detention of children.

For decades, there have been vague rumors of weird goings on in Bohemian Grove in more remote parts of its 2200 acres. Reliable reports claim Druidic like rituals - druids in red hooded robes marching in procession and chanting to the Great Owl (Moloch) - a funeral pyre with “corpses”. (Scores of men work in the Bohemian Grove as servants so this party is fairly well established.)

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CHARLOTTE ISERBYT served as Senior Policy Advisor in the Department of Education, during the first Reagan Administration, where she
blew the whistle on a major technology initiative which would control curriculums in America’s classrooms.

Iserbyt is a former school board director in Camden, Maine and was co-founder and research analyst of Guardians of Education (Organization taking a no-nonsense, Judeo Christian approach to the education of Maine's young people.)

Iserbyt is a speaker and writer, best known for her 1985 booklet Back to Basics Reform or OBE: Skinnerian International Curriculum and her 1989 pamphlet Soviets in the Classroom: America’s Latest Education Fad which covered the details of the U.S.-Soviet and Carnegie-Soviet Education Agreements

She is a freelance writer and has had articles published in Human Events, and The Washington Times.

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ANTON CHAITKIN is a founding member of the political movement associated with Lyndon LaRouche.

The OMEGA File
POPULATION CONTROL, NAZIS, AND THE U.N.! -- by Anton Chaitkin
ROCKFELLER AND MASS MURDER

"The ROCKEFELLER Foundation is the PRIME SPONSOR of public relations for the UNITED NATION'S drastic depopulation program, which the world is invited to accept at the UN's scheduled September conference in Cairo, Egypt. Evidence in the possession of a growing number of researchers in America, England, and Germany demonstrates that the Foundation and its CORPORATE, MEDICAL, and POLITICAL associates organized the racial MASS MURDER program of NAZI GERMANY.

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CARL OGLESBY - During Thanksgiving weekend 1965, toward the end of one of the first major rallies against the Vietnam War, a student activist named Carl Oglesby addressed the Washington crowd. He did not simply criticize U.S. support of South Vietnam's military regime, but hailed its communist foes for mounting "as honest a revolution as you can find anywhere in history."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2003-03-04-freedman_x....

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Toby Rogers wrote about how the Bush Family Wealth is Linked to the Jewish Holocaust.

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Webster Tarpley learned at the knee of ; has been a disciple and employee of Lyndon LaRouche for at least twenty five years.

[Algorem]

42. are they nutser than usatoday?