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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:31 AM Original message |
Poll question: What happened in Oct. 2002??? |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
1. Kick |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
2. Go straight to the bottom line - If IWR forced Bush to go to war |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:44 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. only if you get rid of yours |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:46 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Because Rove knew certain lefties can be counted on to jerk their knees |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:51 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. you mean the majority of dems in both the House and Senate |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. So admit it - YOU blame IWR and Bush was NOT violating it - |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 12:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. most "process" votes don't result in 2000 dead soldiers |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 12:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. IWR did not take this country to war - Bush's VIOLATION of the IWR took |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 12:25 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. how DO you violate the IWR??? |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 12:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. By submitting a fraudulent and false determination to Congress. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 12:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. that may violate other laws |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 12:53 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Bush had to SAY national security was at stake - he LIED |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 01:15 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. why do you repeat the same false talking point that i am siding with Bush? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 01:53 PM Response to Reply #35 |
45. You refuse to acknowledge regime change WAS the US policy since 1998 |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 01:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. That's utter nonsense. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 01:17 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. a "determination" |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 01:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Exactly - this whole thread is becoming absurd, imo. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 01:23 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. well, then leave |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 02:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. Media lies will always protect the proBush side. I'll stick to the truth, |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 06:18 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. I think Kerryite apologists |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 06:41 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. See posts 46 and 48 for the facts. n/t |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 07:46 PM Response to Reply #58 |
79. It was BETTER than what Bush originally wanted - and that point was |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 12:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Your problem is you base it on YOUR assessment. I side with John Bonifaz |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 12:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. which section of IWR as printed in Post 15... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 05:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
53. Enforcing UN resolution was all about WMDs and weapons inspectors. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 06:11 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Im not interested in what John Dean has to say |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 06:15 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. I have John Bonifaz and John Dean - You have YOUR interpretation of IWR. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 06:20 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. you love strawmen don't you |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 06:23 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. You love YOUR opinion and dismiss John Bonifaz and Dean because you can't |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 06:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Ill raise you a Bob Byrd |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 07:02 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. Here's a statement from Byrd. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 07:08 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. That is not referring to IWR |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 07:32 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. So you're saying |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 07:35 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Did bush violate that specific resolution |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 07:47 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Yes: both resolutions, both violated. Bush is a criminal, that is all. n/t |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 07:05 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Rep. George Miller (CA) 10/8/2002 |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 07:22 PM Response to Reply #61 |
72. They are talking about Bush's execution of IWR - not discussing IWR vote - |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 07:23 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. he's discussing the nature of the resolution |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 07:27 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. I said BONIFAZ and Dean were talking about the EXECUTION of the IWR and |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 07:34 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. you are welcome to put up a competing poll with your analysis by John Dean |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 07:18 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. Ron Paul 10/10/2002 |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 06:14 PM Response to Reply #26 |
56. where did he violate the law? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 01:58 PM Response to Reply #21 |
46. Bush's report in response to the IWR |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 02:36 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. THANKYOU - I hadn't read Dean's book and this perfectly explains how |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 02:39 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Judging from this post and the responses, |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 02:42 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. That's why I fight the perception - it was spun this way with the intent |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 06:47 PM Response to Reply #46 |
63. I printed the fucking resolution |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 07:03 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. No you are wrong and loosing your cool! n/t |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 07:09 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. I'm sorry |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 02:22 PM Response to Reply #21 |
48. To clarify |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 03:46 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. ProSense, please read JDPriestly's excellent reply. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 06:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
64. the resolution merely asks for his opinion that war is necessary |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 07:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
70. The IWR gave numbnuts free reign - which was a mistake. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 07:22 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Right on my friend! |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 07:52 PM Response to Reply #70 |
81. See JDPriestley's post above. You let Bush off the hook every time |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 07:55 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. This'll be useless but.. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 01:28 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Technically you are correct. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 10:28 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Not as clear behind the scenes as you think. Many in DC believed Bush1 had |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 10:41 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. The Iraq War was a war crime |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:51 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Yahtzee!! |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:18 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. I think they ARE capable, but media pretends that nuance, itself, is the |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:47 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Bush is to blame both under the true assessment and the revisionist theory |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:53 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. HAHAHAHHAHA....so did B-L and that was OK to you. You can't |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:55 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. B-L limited action to getting rid of WMD |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:58 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. BS - Regime change was ALREADY policy for the US - they didn't NEED |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 12:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. regime change != illegal unilateral military invasion |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 12:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Oh yeah - nothing Machiavellian at all with Bush-he's a straightshooter |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 12:23 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. apparently Kerry thought so |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 12:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. My response is that YOU are what Rove needs - a leftie who blames |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 12:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. I'm sorry are you talking to someone else.?.. |
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MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
3. Certainly a huuuuge miscalculation and more than a little . . . |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
8. Kind of a mix of the two. It was a compromise to limit Bush and strengthen |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
9. The other thing that happened in October 2002 is that Paul Wellstone's |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
14. quite frankly, it ultimately didn't matter. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
15. The IWR broken down |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
23. In their own words... |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 12:33 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. I'm sure all of those people had good intentions |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 12:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. False analogy |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 01:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Your second analogy is false |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 01:32 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. It's flawed, but you are wrong on the president's authority |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. assuming arguendo what you say is true |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 01:18 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. my analogy |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Mine was meant |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 01:37 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. if it does count it's not for much |
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Acryliccalico (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
30. Kick..........n/t |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
44. many of Bush's lies came after that vote |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-08-06 05:56 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. Good point - It was not UNTIL the inspectors were in |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 02:04 AM Response to Original message |
84. "Strong military" = meaningless phrase |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-09-06 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
89. Other - Senator Paul Wellsone died in a plane crash |
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