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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 02:03 PM
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Renominating Kerry? My E-Mail to Sen. Kerry on the Subject
Edited on Tue Jan-03-06 02:03 PM by Khaotic
Sen. Kerry,

As a lifelong Democrat who stood up for you here in Iowa in the '04 caucus, I want to make something very clear.

If you still have aspirations of seeking the White House, and want to be the '08 Democratic nominee, there's one thing you MUST do before I, or any other Iowa Democrat, will stand up for you again.

You MUST expose Diebold and the '04 election problems.

Howard Dean, w/ the help of Black Box Voting, personally hacked Diebold software.

Recently, Black Box Voting hacked a Diebold optical scanner.

The trail is out there. Having every vote counted is no longer being done in America.

The fix is on and it must be exposed.

If you don't champion this cause then the last image of you that every Iowa Democrat will remember is your "early" concession speech after Sen. Edwards told everyone that every vote would be counted. They were not.

If you expose this fraud, then, you will rise above the concession you made in '04. You will have basically proven that you only bowed out to survive and fight another day.

If you don't expose the fraud, then your concession stands and I don't see why Iowa Democrats should once again stand up for you at the next caucus.

Expose the fraud Sen. Kerry. Rise Again!

XXXXXXXX
Davenport, Iowa

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thoughts fellow DUers?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 02:05 PM
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1. I also say that the Dem I support is the one who exposes the machines
Edited on Tue Jan-03-06 02:07 PM by blm
before 2008.

So far, only a handful of Dem lawmakers even believe in machine fraud.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 02:17 PM
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3. Didn't Kerry on Ed Shultz already mention that
a FL county examined and found that the Diebold machines could be hacked. In addition he is a co-sponsor to a lot of election laegislation that is currently not be acted on. (Teresa also spoke about how it is known that the "mother" machines which tabulate the results can be hacked and that this has to be secured. (I assume they speak to each other and that although neither would try to control what the other says, I doubt on some so close to the election that Teresa would go out of her way to bring up something that her husband didagrees with.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 02:25 PM
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6. Then it is time for him to work to EXPOSE it. He and Dean could do it
somehow - I have to believe this is their intent.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 02:08 PM
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2. i, personally, will have a very hard time forgiving him for the concession
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 02:25 PM
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5. Unfortunately I'm with you on this, and furthermore I am watching
him be late to the table at every other issue as well.
How could I vote for him and then maybe watch him walk away from us the way he did before.

Fool me once.....and it's ah ah ah your fault....fool me again, and you need to ask the **Resident for the rest.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 02:30 PM
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7. Can you name those issues?
Edited on Tue Jan-03-06 02:31 PM by blm
He spearheaded DSM, ANWR, Katrina legislation, Truth in ads, and legislation against secret jails. He also led against the nominations of Rice, Gonzales and Bolton.

He was the first Democrat to submit an Iraq withdrawal plan.


That was part of his work last year. Which issues did he arrive late?
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 06:01 PM
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26.  "He was the first Democrat to submit an Iraq withdrawal plan."
Well, no, he wasn't.

Wes Clark had one a year before - but, like the corporate media, no one pays attention. :eyes:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 06:11 PM
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27. The first Democratic lawmaker to submit a plan.
I have no quarrel with the proClark reply - he and Kerry have been consistently on the same wavelength for the greater part of the Iraq ordeal.



They are two of the few voices I trust to gather information from all sides of the Iraq situation.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 02:23 PM
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4. Clear, accurate, concise.
Wanna bet whether or not it gets read and if it does, will anyone recognize that you are not theatening a boycott or any other action, but pointing to and describing reality? Unlikely, but hope does reign eternal...
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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 02:46 PM
Original message
My problem with Kerry
is that I have no way of knowing he will fight for us. He said he would as he campaigned and then called * to concede. This is why I was such a Dean fan.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 03:05 PM
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9. No one can prove that any Dem would do otherwise with a public perception
that Bush won the popular vote by 3 million and a DNC that didn't believe in voting machine fraud so they didn't work to secure the machines BEFORE the election.

I do believe both Kerry and Dean now believe it and that is a greater start than we had in 2002.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 02:46 PM
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8. he won't get my vote until he does the following
1. learn to speak like a human being and not a political automatron
2. come out against the war and say the reason he lost is because he wasn't brave enuf to stand up against this criminal president and his cheerleading media
3. say that the republican party is infected with a cancer
4. promise that he'll get national health insurance passed
5. promise that every person who has merit and wants a college edcuation will get one
6. promise to reduce oil dependency by 50% in 5 years.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 03:24 PM
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11. So who are you voting for? n /t
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #11
35. Ask me a week before the primary.
But right now Feingold is the only one that I think will run that I can support.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 03:27 PM
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14. These are not real issues
And have no chance of ever passing in the current political climate. I would never work for someone who endorsed these positions as they are guaranteed losers and would doom any candidate or party who espoused them to irrelevancy.

About the only one that matters is that the Rethugs have a cancer and Kerry has said things like that repeatedly.

Not only will I work for him but I've been giving him money. And getting other people to give him money. It's a start.
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. Of COURSE these things have no chance of passing....
....if you don't have the balls to fight for them.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 03:53 PM
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16. There is no prospective candidate who would even consider this list
Is this the list for Kerry only? or everybody?
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 03:19 PM
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10. If he gets nominated again, I quit.
Edited on Tue Jan-03-06 03:20 PM by trogdor
I'll become a free agent. I didn't sign on to this outfit to chase windmills, and if Kerry gets a second shot, it will demonstrate to my satisfaction that the Democrats aren't serious about winning.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 03:25 PM
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12. So who are you voting for? n/t
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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 03:57 PM
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17. Who Am I Backing?
Here in Iowa I think most Dems are waiting.

If Vilsack runs then I'll probably vote for him. Chances are he'll run since he's not seeking reelection and he's a popular Gov.

The rest of the country doesn't know a lot about him. I admit, he's a DLC'r, but so is/was Pres. Clinton. I think he brings a lot less baggage to the table than others. He's done a good job here in Iowa.

Regardless, I think Clark is too good not to be on the ticket this time. Clark/Vilsack, Vilsack/Clark, ... I don't know.

It will be hard if there's a Feingold/Warner or Warner/Feingold campaign. That would be good as well, not to mention that Edwards has already made trips to Iowa. A lot of people were on the fence between backing Kerry or Edwards at the last caucus. I was one of them. I choose Kerry because of his experience and military background. In the end they were on the same ticket and I still think it was a great ticket, but on the voter fraud issue Kerry has let us down.

Edwards isn't really in a position to do much on the issue now. He's no longer a sitting senator. I think he was ready and willing to fight and basically bit his tongue when Kerry conceded. I would still like to know what was on Edwards' mind on that. I think he's quitely gathering himself and we'll be hearing soon.

I think Iowa Democrats would rethink Edwards, but not Kerry (unless he exposes the machines).

So ... I guess that's a no answer. Probably pretty 'run of the mill' for an Iowa Dem. If Vilsack is in there I'm betting that most Iowa Dems will back their man. There will have to be some real dirt for Iowa Dems to not back him. It's just a matter of who he's running with. I don't see a gov/gov ticket, so it will probably be Clark, Feingold, Edwards, or Bayh. And in those cases he might slip to the VP Dem candidate in the long run.

Look for Vilsack as the lead horse out of Iowa, the other 4 I named are up for grabs.

Notice that Clinton and Kerry aren't in there? Iowa Dems won't back either. I'd rather Gore come back for a run.

To tell you the truth, I would stand up for Gore over Vilsack. I really think he would make a great president. Without the Florida fix, he would be Pres. Gore on his second term ... no question.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 06:20 PM
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29. I don't think the issue on election fraud will be settled in the
Republican Senate. I think it almost needs to be a grassroots effort to force each state to clean up its act. Elections are run by the states so that is the right level. I do think it will take many people working on it. I do think that who ever works on this issue will deserve the gratitude of the Democrats (and of history).

I have a very hard time understanding why it is uniquely Kerry's fault that their is election fraud. No one asks why Gore didn't fix things, or Terry McCauliffe, or Howard Dean. Kerry (and Teresa) have spoken out at least as much as any other potential candidates. I really do not see that he has any more obligation to solve this problem then anyone else. He likely will become more involved on this and he has equated it with saving our democracy and has been involved with legislation (as well as speaking out.)

He also has been doing his day job - putting out the first comprehensive plan to get out of Iraq, a Katrina relief package (with Olympia Snowe), what Reid called the Democratic view of fighting the War on Terror, many amendments to help veterans, assisting Cantwell on fighting to keep ANWR drill free and a bill to get the Senate information on secret prisons. He was also the first Senator to demand that the Intelligence committee do Part I of the WMD study and look at the DSM. As a good Democrat, he has also helped others get elected.

Edwards is working part-time at the poverty institute. Because he doesn't have the committments a Senator does, he could pursue the election fraud issue for some think tank or institute. I have not heard any comments on his views of whether there is fraud or what to do about it. (The Nov 2 comment was really the teams position that night. All I've heard is the MCM heard from a relative of Edwards that Edwards thinks there was fraud. This is shakier than his Kerry view.)

























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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 05:43 PM
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38. You'd be surprised!
I am pretty sure I won't support Vilsack. It's not that I have "dirt" on him so-to-speak, but I don't feel inspired by him, and I think his corporate-welfare tactics in Iowa have had mixed results. There may be an increase in jobs, but are they the type we want?

Why did he sign legislation against stem cell research, and now that his is considering a shot at Pres all the sudden saying we should "re-visit" it?

Come join the Iowa forum sometime, we would love your input. Vilsack is a frequent topic of conversation. He has his supporters but I wouldn't say he is a shoe-in, at least with DU Dems.
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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 03:27 PM
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13. Expose the Fraud or Don't Run
That's it in a nutshell.

I don't want a song and dance. I don't want co-sponsorships or bills that aren't being acted on.

It's time for him to put it ALL on the line.

To hell w/ being PC.

He needs to get behind Black Box Voting and make this THE priority.

Why isn't this being addressed like PlameGate or SpyGate?

Somehow VoterGate needs to be on the front burner. I watched his speech live on CNN about the Iraq War and how we need to get our troops back home ... yep, true. But no mention of VoterGate.

Maybe some would think that the lives of our troops is more important than tinfoil hat conspiracies.

Whatever ... it's that attitude and frame of mind that undermines bring the importance of the issue to a head.

Kerry could have spun into the freedoms our troops are fighting for. The Democracy that needs to exist HERE! Then go into the voting problems. To HELL w/ people pointing at him and calling him a spoiled sport.

If he exposes voter fraud then those people can kiss his ass!

Democracy is more important ... PERIOD!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 03:38 PM
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15. Kerry has paralleled fair elections to the fight for democracy
02/17/2005

John Kerry Calls for Election Reform

Below is a statement from Senator John Kerry on election reform. Today, he will participate in a press conference on Capitol Hill at 12:45 in Russell 188 with Senators Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) and Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) and Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones (D-Ohio).

“Free and fair elections are the foundation of our democracy. In the last year, millions more Americans registered and went to the polls than ever before. We saw millions in Iraq and Afghanistan vote for the first time in their lives. Yet, thousands upon thousands of Americans still fear that when they walk into the polls to vote, there is a very real chance that their vote will not be counted or they will lose the opportunity to vote at all because they are forced to stand in line for hours due to a shortage of machines.

“Faulty voting machines have no place in the greatest democracy on earth. Barriers to voting are an insult to the freest, greatest nation in the world.

“Last month, I sent out an email to Americans urging them to ask the Republican leadership in the House and Senate to make election reform a priority this Congress. In just one day 35,000 people called Senator Frist and Congressman Hastert's offices and urged them to hold hearings on election reform. I'm committed to making sure their voices are heard and Congress and the Administration make electoral reform a reality this year.

“I am proud today to join with my colleagues, Senators Clinton and Boxer, Congresswoman Tubbs Jones and Congressman Conyers, and the nation's leading civil rights groups to advance comprehensive election reform.

“Congress must take action to ensure all Americans have faith in future elections that the votes they stood in line to cast are counted. “Today, I once again call on our Republican colleagues to make protecting voting rights a priority and to put election reform legislation on the legislative calendar this year. I call on Congress to keep its promise and fully fund the Help America Vote Act, fund the activities of the Election Assistance Commission, and help states invest in better voting machines with paper trails.

“We must put party politics aside and join together as proud American citizens to eliminate barriers to voting, encourage the greatest level of civic participation possible, and restore confidence in the notion that every eligible voter will have the opportunity to cast a ballot and have it counted.”

http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=232268&
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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 04:26 PM
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19. Feb. 05 release
What have you done for me lately?

That's the bottomline.

Has reform taken place?

If the election were held today would the fix be on?

How many people on this board would bet their right arm against Bush being relected if the 22nd amendment were resended? NONE.

If the 22nd amendment were resended and a presidential election held Nov THIS year, Shrub would STILL be reelected.

Why?

Because of the voting machines.

The fix is real. This is not tinfoil hat. Unless I turn on the television and see members of the Shrub admin. being lead in cuffs for life prison terms due to paying Diebold for fixing voting machines, I won't be satified.

I think most of us know that this admin. has coordinated w/ Diebold and other companies to create software that can be manipulated. Black Box Voting has proven the ability to hack it.

There's no question. Why haven't I seen people in cuffs? Where's the justice?

Why do I blame Kerry ... because I believe he should be making the huge stink, since more than likely lost Ohio due to voter fraud.

Today he may look like a lunatic, but if it's proven he's vindicated and people will vote him into the White House for saving our Democracy.

'Nuff said?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 04:41 PM
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20. A stink is what Sen. Stevens made on the Senate floor over ANWR
Edited on Tue Jan-03-06 04:47 PM by ProSense
Finding out what happened in the 2004 election requires common sense and a sensible approach.

If you go to Kerry's Web site, you will find dozens more of the same, including legislation. He's spoken out on the issue on a number of occasions, and just recently again in a few end of year interviews. He also mentioned in those interviews that there are still lawsuits pending and inquiries ongoing.
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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 04:55 PM
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21. Lawsuits and inquiries
... I want heads!

I want voter fraud exposed!

To hell w/ excuses.

If there are GOP members actively suppressing Kerry's efforts and the media is keeping mum about Kerry's efforts as well, then let's hear about it.

I listen to Democracy Now every morning. I don't think they're suppressing that news.

I just don't think Kerry is doing enough.

The man should be horse from talking about this.

If it's not making front page NYT or Washington Post headlines then it's not making news. If it's being suppressed then what the hell.

You can't bang this drum enough.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 05:44 PM
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23. Lawsuits and inquires are excuses?
Again, I agree with Kerry's approach. If anyone is capable of getting to the bottom of this, he is. And he is in a position, as is Conyers and other members of Congress, to do something about it.

It's clear what you want, I question who is it you believe will deliver it? Please let me know. I can and do support the efforts of more than one person.
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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. I'm not on the inside
... I have no idea who would be better.

I know what I see.

I'm originally from Missouri ... you know, the Show Me state.

I'm waiting ... Show Me.

Conyers is one hell of guy. To bad we can't have a Conyers/Sanders ticket, or maybe a Sanders/Boxer ticket.

Those are the real names on who is fighting for this.

But who is fighting and who is getting things done?

You can send Kerry, Kennedy, Clinton, Biden, Conyers, Boxer, Sanders ... hell, then the whole lot of them a medal for their efforts. But if they don't get the job done, it doesn't matter.

The fact is that when voter fraud is brought up most of the country breaks out the tinfoil hat talk and swirls their fingers next to their ears.

It's not crazy, and it's about time someone bring it to the forefront.

I'm not an elected official, but I can tell you that it's the biggest issue out there bar none!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #19
30. Why don't you ask GORE to make the big stink
It makes more sense - it's a much easier case to prove. You did say you would back him. So unless you can give me a good reason why Kerry should be pushed to make an extremely fuzzy case while Gore is not pushed to make a solid case, I will think you just have a problem with Kerry.

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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #30
36. Gore
The 2000 election was close and it came down to just Florida.

To me, Gore has proven he's a totally different person. His speeches since '01 have been amazing and his involvement in MoveOn.org and other groups has told me that he has moved away from the DLC and become a true liberal.

The fact that he didn't even call Joe Liberman when he backed Dean told me that he's completely different.

I think he would make a much better president today than he would have in '01.

He has shown me a lot. Kerry has shown me his concession.

Other than that Kerry just hasn't hit me in the face as someone the public would see as any different.

Gore has reinvented himself by being himself. At least amoung liberals I think Gore has gotten a lot of points.

Kerry let down liberals and democrats with his quick concession, Gore didn't concede, the damn Supreme Court got involved where they shouldn't have. He was practically lead away kicking and screaming.

After that he was sooooo messed up by the whole debacle that he grew a beard and became a hermit inorder to keep his sanity.

Now he's using his Current channel to try to make an impact on what he (and all of us know) is an unjust media owned and operated by Corporate America.

At least he has spoken his mind. He has thrown PC talk out the window. Kerry tapped danced on media control. It was one of the things that just about had me standing up for Dean instead of Kerry. But ohhhhhh no, I didn't listen to my instincts ... I told myself that Kerry had the experince and a military background. I paid attention to the cold stats instead of the man.

No more!

I want someone that cares about people and isn't afraid to tell it like it is. Someone who will stand up to corporate america and the media they own.

Kerry isn't it.

He proved he wasn't and unless he exposes the election fraud he won't have me standing up for him in the '08 caucus.

Period.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. All of which is your opinion
I'm a liberal and a Democrat, and I don't feel let down by him, and neither did I think his concession was terribly quick. Only Gore's in recent memory was slower. Most folks concede the night before, not the next morning. Gore's election was close. Kerry's was not. Even if he won Ohio, he wouldn't have had the popular vote near as we could tell. You couldn't have proved he did have the popular vote without exposing a ton of fraud, even more than we suspect in Ohio.

I can accept that he didn't have the whistleblower and the slam dunk evidence he needed. You can suspect all you want, and even be fairly certain, without having enough to go to court with.

And yet, there is a lawsuit he's involved with that is still pending in Ohio. Since most folks forget that, and even more folks don't even know about it, he doesn't really need to still be involved there. But he is.

I'm not let down. Please speak for yourself.

Unlike you, I have noted a change in Kerry. Often in this last year he's reminded me of Gore. I took the time to get to know him in 2004, even though he wasn't my first choice. Took me a while to warm up to him, but when I did -- badabing. I've spent time this year paying attention to him. He does quiet things. If he didn't give a shit, he wouldn't do half of it, because it doesn't make the news. Thinks like help for small businesses in the wake of Katrina, the veterans and their benefits, that sort of thing.

Those who have met him from our Kerry group tell the rest of us that he is a very warm and funny person when you meet him face to face.

I want someone who cares too. And so, I will vote for Kerry in the primaries if he runs again, and support him in his endeavors if he doesn't.

That's my opinion, of course. I don't presume to speak for liberals and Democrats.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 07:51 PM
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41. What have YOU done for you lately?
Have you been hounding your Senators to cosponsor this legislation?

S.391 : A bill to amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to prohibit certain State election administration officials from actively participating in electoral campaigns.
Sponsor: Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. (introduced 2/16/2005) Cosponsors (5)
Committees: Senate Rules and Administration
Latest Major Action: 2/16/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration.

S.450 : A bill to amend the Help America Vote Act of 2002 to require a voter-verified paper record, to improve provisional balloting, to impose additional requirements under such Act, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (introduced 2/17/2005) Cosponsors (6)
Committees: Senate Rules and Administration
Latest Major Action: 2/17/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration.

S.1975 : A bill to prohibit deceptive practices in Federal elections.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 11/8/2005) Cosponsors (4)
Committees: Senate Rules and Administration
Latest Major Action: 11/8/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration.


Note the paltry number of cosponsors for each bill. Senator Kerry has cosponsored each one. He introduced at least two of them with their sponsors: S.450 and S.1975. What about YOUR Senator? If your Senators are republicans, what about your "favorite" Dem Senators?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 04:58 PM
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22. That's reasonable
I'm fairly sure he's working on it. But still, a perfectly reasonable letter to send.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 05:45 PM
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24. plus there is no point voting if EVM fraud isn't exposed and dealt with
seriously.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 06:14 PM
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28. Excellent letter, but I'm not holding my breath.
Kerry has lost all credibility as a fighter for my vote. I'd love to be pleasantly surprised, although I believe he's going to just keep on wimping out.
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Blue Shark Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 06:29 PM
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31. What possible statement has JFK II...
...ever made in the 14 months of damage by BushCo II that would make you think he will ever address thi?

...even when he admited to Mark Crispin Miller that he knew he felt the need to claim tthe conversation never took place.

...Do not look to the past to win in the future. John Kerry as good as died to millions of supporters the moment he bent over and grabbed his ankles to the likes of George Bush.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 10:25 PM
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33. Well, there's the lawsuit in Ohio
And Kerry never said the things that MCM claimed. MCM took "You wuz robbed" "I know" and blew it all out of proportion.

And there are also millions of supporters who support him still.

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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 09:43 PM
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32. Agreed totally! Couldn't have said so better myself.
(And I've emailed him similarly in the past myself. He needs to speak up about '04 NOW.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 10:29 PM
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34. Khaotic, I wanted to respond to you, but my answer was LOOOOONG...
(I'm a bit wordy...) :-)

Please see the thread entitled "Proving election fraud is not a one man job" in GDP.
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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 05:32 PM
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37. Not a one man job
Maybe Kerry can't make it happen himself, but it's the power of being a sitting senator that can make things happen, open doors, enable others to fight for him, for us.

The bottomline is that unless he is vindicated by the voting "irregularities" being exposed, then the American public will label him as a loser.

There's a lot of people that can be pretty damn sure that Gore won the '01 election. The New York Times recount of the whole state of Florida showed that Gore had more votes. That not to mention the people who were not allowed to vote because their names were on lists. Then there's ... we'll if you haven't seen one of the many documentaries on the '01 election then you're missing out.

The '04 election fraud is basically only held by those on our side, mainstream America believes that there might have been some problems, but Bush had the popular vote ... even if Ohio was recounted by every vote, it only would have made things closer in that state, not the whole country.

For those that have studied the exit polls and know that to this day the RAW exit poll data from after 4 p.m. Eastern Time, still hasn't been released. They know that there's a lot more than just Ohio that had questions.

Kerry won, Kerry had more votes ... he won the popular vote! But it all comes off as tinfoil hat unless there's vindication w/ the exposure of the voting fraud.

At least w/ the NYT recount of the state of Florida, we know ... WE KNOW, and have proof that GORE WON!

Give us the RAW AP exit poll data. Where's that? Can't a senator make that happen?
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 05:49 PM
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40. Lots of Senators would be even more efffective....
I've written letters to MANY of them trying to get them on board.

Hmmm...still waiting...:-)

I'd like to see everyone stand up for this cause, because it affects us all. All of our Senators should be up in arms about this. I'm disappointed that the whole lot hasn't made more noise...
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 08:08 PM
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42. i think he is waiting for the right time
More specifically waiting to see if Dems actually get any power in the 2006 elections.
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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 10:32 AM
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43. Without Election Reform
Democrats will have no power.

After the '06 elections the GOP will gain seats in both the House and the Senate.

They'll lose some races, but when the dust settles, they will pick up seats.

We'll all be back here wondering how it happen.

With rigged machines how can we prove anything?

Once things looked fishy Gore faught and it took the stacked Supreme Court to make him take his ball and go home.

I stayed up late on '04 election night. I heard Edwards say that every vote would be counted. I thought that after '01 that Kerry would unleash a HUGE storm of lawyers and that the fucking shit would hit the fucking fan! But FUCK NO!

I'm still pissed. Here's what I see!



FUCK THAT!

It's like Edwards was left there standing with his fights up, clenched, red in the face, ready to fight ... and his boss simply gives up.

The stories were flooding out of Ohio of people standing in lines. Buildings being shut up. Doors being locked.

Remember this photo?



I mean Ohio election officials driving off w/ ballots and displaying a Bush/Cheney sticker! WTF!

Not to mention the AP refusing to release the post 4 p.m. RAW exit poll data.

And Kerry consedes!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If he throws his hat in again I'm telling you NOW that he won't get past Iowa. I'm here, I'm telling you now. He'll be out quicker than Gep was in '04. He won't even finish 4th or 5th ... unless the election fraud is exposed. If he needs to personally give hummers to every Dem in the Senate to get the backing to make it happen, then so be it. Doesn't matter to me because it's our Democracy at stake. I know and I don't care if the rest of this red, white and blue country knows it or not.





In the pit of my stomach I knew it would happen before the first ballot was filled out. I knew Bush would somehow remain in the White House.



... trouble is, I just don't believe Kerry gave us his best.
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