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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:40 PM
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Obamas reply to my 'Impeachment Plea"
Dear XXXXXX:

Thank you for advising me of your concerns about the President's domestic spying program, and your feeling that his executive order may be grounds for impeachment. I understand your mounting frustration.

I fully appreciate and share your strong disagreement with many of the administration's policies and actions, including reports of the President's domestic surveillance program. Although more facts may be forthcoming, from what we have learned, it appears that the President’s program is in direct contravention of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). Indeed, the concept that the government is spying on Americans is troubling enough without considering the idea that this surveillance is being conducted outside the parameters of the law. It is imperative that the President, and all elected officials, recognize that this is a nation of laws. If the President believes that the nation’s FISA laws should be amended, he should present his recommended changes to Congress for evaluation.

I am deeply troubled by this and other on-going efforts to increase the power of the Executive branch at the expense of the strong checks and balances in our three branches of government, and I hope the administration will see that our goal of protecting Americans does not require an abandonment of our obligation to protect their rights as well. Because the White House seems oblivious to this concept, I joined my colleagues in the Senate to filibuster a PATRIOT Act reauthorization bill that failed to strike a more reasonable balance between homeland security and civil liberties.

Homeland security is an important obligation for the federal government, and law enforcement must have a complete set of tools to fight terrorism. Despite the Administration's proclaimed focus on homeland security, however, I know many American see the poor government response after Hurricane Katrina as a sign that the President has failed to fulfill his post-9/11 promises of improved readiness and response. There is no excuse for that, and we need an honest review of our progress, or lack of progress, on this front.

In my view, there is no question that President Bush has pushed the envelope in promoting his policies and programs. Challenges like the war in Iraq and the Gulf Coast tragedy only exacerbate our sense of frustration and concern about the priorities and judgment of this administration. Despite our frustration, our focus must remain on doing what we can in this environment to address the many tests facing America and Illinois, some of which, like Katrina, have posed unprecedented challenges. While Congress needs to conduct more oversight of the administration's work, I do not think that options such as calling for impeachment of the President serve our ultimate objective, which is getting the country back on the right track.

Thank you again for writing. Please know that I will continue to use my position in the Senate to hold this administration accountable for its work, and to oppose those policies with which I disagree.

Sincerely,

Barack Obama
United States Senator


P.S. Our system does not allow direct response to this email. However, if you would like to contact me again, please use the form on the website: http://obama.senate.gov/contact/


~~~~ i havent heard back yet from Durbin, but i suspect i will soon......
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:45 PM
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1. It's hard to tell if his office is actually going to do "something???"
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:50 PM
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8. i agree..n/t
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 01:14 AM
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60. He is being too cautious
Edited on Fri Dec-30-05 01:17 AM by LuckyTheDog
I might forgive him for that later if is decides to run for president. Coming out early for impeachment could be risky for him as a presidential candidate -- especially given that he likely would run on the theme of unity and national healing. I'd still disagree with him. But I at least could understand the strategy.

However, if he doesn't run for president, I'll have to ask why he decided not to be a leader on this issue. Look, I know Obama is new in town and everything. But, when the president breaks the law, the Congress has an obligation to smack him down. And if the opposition party won't get the ball rolling, who will.

All I can say is: Thank God for Conyers. :headbang:
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:45 PM
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2. I'd keep that - it will be worth something when he's President...
Very thoughtful response.

Unlike the one that I received from MY Senator's office. I wrote to ask LIttle Ricky whether he had considered WWJD when he suggested that Katrina victims be fined for staying behind after the evacuation. I wondered in my email whether he thought Jesus would support a fine, of if He would have gone further and recommended jail sentences.

I got back a "thanks for you thoughts about aiding Katrina victims, I share your concern, blah, blah, blah..."
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:51 PM
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9. Obama will not be pres.


Obama is a fence sitter
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #9
44. I think he's playing it safe, not wanting to taint a run for President.
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #2
11. yes, it was thoughtful, but an automated one i assume...n/t
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:46 PM
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3. Impeachment doesn't "serve our ultimate objective"
:eyes:
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mousie Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:51 PM
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10. didn't like that
and I'd have to disagree!! Bush deserves impeachment.... our country (and all it stands for) deserves it too! We can't just "allow" our "president" to deceive Americans, break laws, violate our Constitution... and do NOTHING!!!
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #3
12. yes, he lost me with that
up to that point I thought his position was good. but now I see he is not going to do what is ultimately right.
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #3
13. impeachment would serve my objective
just fine.....
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #13
31. Maybe,
But would a failed attempt at impeachement serve that objective?
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. good point........
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #3
28. he said Dubya 'pushed the envelope'.....
just a polite way of saying Dubya fvcked up....IMO
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:46 PM
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4. I guess he means we don't have the numbers yet...
If and when the dems get control of the house, we'll see if impeachment becomes a viable option.

They tried to impeach Bill Clinton for lying about a blow job because they had the numbers. The chimp lied about much more serious things.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:50 PM
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7. Just a small nitpick...
They DID impeach Clinton. But he didn't go to trial in the Senate. Impeachment alone does not remove a president from office.
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GR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #7
15. He Was Tried In The Senate...But Found Not Guilty...
Have you forgotten so soon...
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. Sorry.
I guess I did. But I did remember Clinton was impeached. So do I get half credit?
;-)
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #18
26. Don't sweat it......
we grade on a curve here :smoke:
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. LoL...n/t
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #15
21. one thing I'll never forget
OR FORGIVE is hearing Joe LIEberman vote aye
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. i agree... he needs to become a repuke....fast
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #4
17. at least he knows how this 'cat' feels...
with or without the numbers........
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:47 PM
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5. "Oversight" - he used the word "oversight" in his reply
I believe that is what the Republicans want as well.

They will be conducting "oversight" hearings.

Alas, poor Barack, I knew him well.

BTW, did anyone see the editorial he co-wrote with Sam Brownback (yes, THAT Sam Brownback) - I believe it ran in The Washington Post on Tuesday - I'll have to check.

Ack.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:48 PM
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6. ARGH!
"Despite our frustration, our focus must remain on doing what we can in this environment to address the many tests facing America and Illinois, some of which, like Katrina, have posed unprecedented challenges. While Congress needs to conduct more oversight of the administration's work, I do not think that options such as calling for impeachment of the President serve our ultimate objective, which is getting the country back on the right track."


I see NO way for our country to get back on track until the world sees that we will not stand for the mess * has made ....









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SushiFan Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:56 PM
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14. Hey, I wrote him too abt Impeach, didn't even get a form ltr reply!! :(
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #14
20. you may get one....i'm thinking they are automated....
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #20
39. Did you get this snail mail or email?
I haven't heard back from him either. Nor Durbin. And especially not from Henry Hyde....

I put "Rule of Law" in the category portion of the email I sent to Hyde. Jayzus, that man must have used that phrase a hundred times if he used it once during the Clinton impeachment.

Yah, I'd like to see the "rule of law" applied equally Congressman!
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. e-mail...n/t
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:56 PM
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16. Obama is the king of circle speak...
He speeks well, but talks in circles. Can fire us up but doesn't deliver the goods with a knock out punch. He will do well in washington.
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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 12:59 PM
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19. In the reply I see no notice of action
guess that it's just going to be business as usual. Barack Obama appears to be fence sitting. We need less fence sitting and more action as our constitution is used to wipe monkey faces ass. This guy reminds me of a black mccain. He'd hug * if it brought him more votes, they all would except maybe conyers and even he seems to be under the blanket of washington wraps. Jesus, is there no way to stop this administration?
Well, at least your lucky enough to get a reply; me, all I get is nothing from my elected idiots. Email after email, nothing returned. Nice to know how represented we all are.
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. he best get off of that
fence then....or he wont last long....ILLINOIS is VERY B-L-U-E !!
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:03 PM
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23. I do not understand....
He says he does not believe impeachment will serve our "ultimate" goal? When the Constitution is trampled on so many times over by this administration, witnessed laws being broken, and still Congress does not exert it's right to correct it (through impeachment) I really would like to hear a better explanation. What does he envision the consequence for the Executive Branch to be? Does he fear we will lose voters in 2006 by the impeachment process? What is the "ultimate" goal?
.."will continue to hold this administration accountable", I have not seen anything yet that this administration was held accountable for.

:shrug:
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. i'm not sure what he meant by that statement....
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mattomjoe Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:12 PM
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29. I can understand that he may not want to tip his hand when it comes to the
subject of impeachment, but to put himself out there saying impeachment isn't an option in getting our country back on the right track is puzzling to say the least.
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #29
30. yes, it is an odd point of view coming from a DEM.
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SkiGuy Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:19 PM
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32. So what, then, ARE the options??
I do not think that options such as calling for impeachment of the President serve our ultimate objective
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. its a good start tho...IMO
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:23 PM
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35. I made a grand leap of faith with this man, uncharacteristically.
Never having met him, I listened to his speeches and believed him. I talked up his biography, carried people to the polls, campaigned and voted for what I believed to be a "law and order" candidate, not the republican kind.
Unless he finds his voice, soon, in the battle for the survival of the noble experiment, he will be acutely aware of how it feels to be a one term, failed senator!
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:28 PM
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36. Spoken like a true politician
beautifully written and it says nothing of importance.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:33 PM
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37. Write back and ask him if by "pushing the envelope" he means...
...Bush** intentionally breaking the law and admitting it to the American public.

NGU.


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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 01:35 PM
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38. I'd write him back.
I'd ask him what plan he has to compel Congress to conduct more oversight of the President and what his ultimate objective is. What is his plan to hold the administration accountable?

It's like this, it doesn't matter how much oversight Congress conducts if they are unwilling to challenge him when he oversteps his Constitutional duties or blatently breaks the law.

Obama needs to understand that this is a Constitutional crisis. If members of this Congress allow the administration to operate outside of the law then really the Constitution is "just a piece of paper",
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Chicago1 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 03:19 PM
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41. Obama NEVER EVER replies to my emails
You're lucky and Durbin is an IDIOT. I would NEVER write to him. He's stupid.


START THE REVOLUTION!!!!!
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 04:19 PM
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42. Damn it, Obama, you took an oath to support and defend the Constitution.
Start doing so, NOW. Quit sitting on the goddam fence and start taking your oath seriously.
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Thorandmjolnir Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 04:23 PM
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43. And here I thought the goal of the opposition
was to get back in power.

"I do not think that options such as calling for impeachment of the President serve our ultimate objective, which is getting the country back on the right track."

Maybe thats why the Dems always appear to be the looser.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 04:31 PM
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45. Hey Obama...WTF?
Edited on Wed Dec-28-05 04:31 PM by fooj
I do not think that options such as calling for impeachment of the President serve our ultimate objective, which is getting the country back on the right track.

IMO, if you really MEAN that, the only option IS impeachment. Otherwise, getting this country "back on track" is nothing but a pipe dream.

Peace.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 04:33 PM
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46. I got the same response. n/t
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chefgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 05:00 PM
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47. He's been such a disappointment
Time and again, when I've heard him speak, I've been left feeling disappointed in his positions. His response to you is really no different.

While Congress needs to conduct more oversight of the administration's work, I do not think that options such as calling for impeachment of the President serve our ultimate objective, which is getting the country back on the right track.


Kind of makes ya wonder just how in the hell he thinks we can achieve the 'ultimate objective' if not by removing the criminal who ran us all off the rails.

-chef-


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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 06:02 PM
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48. damn.
it's not a form letter. everytime I send a letter to snowe or collins it's exactly the same reply, with a switch of topics.

I'm also really impressed with his over all response.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 10:38 PM
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49. Too bad Obama doesn't have half the guts that Feingold does on this matter
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #49
64. Obama is a rookie senator
Eating our own is bad for our health.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 10:41 AM
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50. The House impeaches, not the Senate.
The Senate holds the trial AFTER the House votes to impeach.

Obama and Durbin really aren't the "go to" guys right now, IMO. You probably will get further faster by working locally to take back the House.

Once we win a majority there in the House (or once the GOP decides the asswipe in the White House is enough of a liability AND the Dems win a majority--it could go either way) it is time to lean on the Senators.

At this point, legally, oversight is about all the Senate CAN do. Given the fact that the actual trial is conducted in the Senate with the Senators as "jurors" it probably could be seen as irresponsible for any Senator right now to call for impeachment.



Laura
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 10:50 AM
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51. What was that he just said?
Edited on Thu Dec-29-05 10:51 AM by jokerman93
something like: "I feel your pain."

We should be comforted to know he's on the case.
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 10:59 AM
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52. So he feels bad but won't do anything.
He'll fit right in with the other dems.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 01:29 PM
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53. Who are the congresspeople who are actively calling for an impeachment
trial?

I'd like to compare what they're saying to what Obama wrote in this letter.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 02:36 PM
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54. Waffle, waffle.
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 02:48 PM
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55. he is being TOO F@CKING NICE
to the dictator
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 03:47 PM
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56. This is almost exactly what my Dem congresman said
They must have all gotten together and decided on this approach as a group.
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 04:51 PM
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57. One more time.
We're on our own.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 05:20 PM
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58. I just got my reply from Durbin. A bit more forceful but not much.
He's definitely crafted a better answer than Obama but it's still entirely too lukewarm imo.

December 29, 2005

Dear Ms. xxxxxxxxx:

Thank you for contacting me regarding proposals to impeach President
Bush. I appreciate knowing your views on this matter.

Removal of the President, Vice President and federal civil officers by
impeachment is one of the most serious constitutional responsibilities
granted to the Congress. Impeachment procedures are used very
infrequently and provide a legislative mechanism that has been reserved
for carefully investigating and trying allegations of serious misconduct
on the part of the President, the Vice President and civil officers of the
United States. The House of Representatives has the constitutional
authority to determine whether to impeach and to draft articles of
impeachment. Should the House vote to impeach and specify the grounds
upon which impeachment is based, the matter is then presented to the
Senate for trial.

To my knowledge, no one in the House of Representatives has sponsored any
legislation to initiate impeachment proceedings against President Bush.
However, I will keep your views in mind in case this matter is considered
by Congress in the future.

Thank you again for contacting me. Please feel free to keep in touch.
Sincerely,




Richard J. Durbin
United States Senator



P.S. If you are ever visiting Washington, please feel free to join Senator
Obama and me at our weekly constituent coffee. When the Senate is in
session, we provide coffee and donuts every Thursday at 8:30 a.m. as we
hear what is on the minds of Illinoisans and respond to your questions.
We would welcome your participation. Please call my D.C. office for more
details.

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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 10:03 PM
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59. "please know
that I will continue to use my position in the Senate to hold this administration accountable for its work, and to oppose those policies with which I disagree."

Translation: "The Democrats are hog-tied, and there's nothing I can do about it."
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:26 PM
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61. Even John Conyers hasn't come out in favor of impeachment yet
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 09:15 PM
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62. If I'm smart
I'll be staying away from DU. I've got to find something better to do. Anything but this utter despair I've found here since the wiretap disclosures- and this e-mail is kinda my nail in the Democratic coffin. They don't get it. I get it. I get how fascism and Stalinism and Nazism happen-one step at a time. IF this smart man doesn't understand that Bush and this administration's blatant and continuing power grab and stopping THAT is the only way to "get the country back on track" then he understands nothing. Nothing. I'm not playing this game anymore. Anything but this denial and playing along. Anything. If that's all the Democratic party is-denial and playing along-count me out. I would rather be one of THEM-the apathetic but strangely sage ones that say "voting is for fools." George Carlin has probably been right all along. Nothing, nothing WE say or do is going to matter until the establishment-that's these men and women we elected get it and act on getting it and stop being in denial and STOP PLAYING FOR THE OTHER SIDE. (And for the damn record the other side-is against AMERICA. It's about letting your citizens die slowly on national TV, and letting a war continue on that's based on lies that has no end and no outcome that has anything to do with protecting America, and for our rights that were enshrined years before the blight that is the Bush family ever infected this nation)

Utter despair at this year. What a horrible awful year it's been. And I thought last year-with that bitter defeat that was nothing more than dirty tricks of a stolen Democracy was bad. It just gets worse.

After Katrina, I was re-thinking my bumpersticker-Save Tibet. I think it should read Save America.

Being on DU at least I haven't been alone. The only comfort in a cold place.



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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 09:46 PM
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63. Let us celebrate
I agree that he had me up until the last paragraph. How is it just a fact that impeachment wouldn't get the "country back on track"?

But this letter and the Durbin letter are proof that there is a momentum happening in the country. They must be getting so many requests for impeachment that they have to collectively and individually devise a response, a position, and write this form letter. That's kinda nice.
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