Statement of Al From on Senator Joe Lieberman

[paineinthearse]

This is 3 weeks old, sorry if it has already been posted, but it is new to me.

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=86&subid=84&contentid=253648

DLC | Statement | December 9, 2005
Statement of Al From on Senator Joe Lieberman

There's currently an orchestrated effort underway to make Sen. Joe Lieberman into some sort of a pariah because of his views on the Iraq War. That's wrong. Republicans may try to impose strict litmus tests, but an inclusive Democratic Party should not.

There's plenty of room for debate on how to succeed in Iraq and in the war on terror. We should be a party that leads that debate, not stifles it.

Joe Lieberman is a man of utmost integrity who speaks and governs by his values and principles, even when they lead him against the popular tide. He is a man who always puts his country above his party or his personal interests. Those are qualities we should cherish, not disdain, in today's far too polarized politics.

We need more, not fewer, people with Joe Lieberman's character in the Democratic Party, and I'm proud to call him my friend.

[IndianaGreen]

1. PUKE! Holy Joe puts the Likud ahead of the American people!

Why shouldn't we be surprised that Al From shares the same neocon/neolib ideology of the likes of Lieberman and that woman from NY that shall remain nameless?

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

2. Al sure does think a lot of himself

don't he?

[blueinindiana]

3. Joe needs to go.

It sone thing to have different opinion but quite another to be on your knees.

[newyawker99]

21. Hi blueinindiana!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Maat]

4. For the billionth time, if I had written "the War on Terror,"

on a law school paper, I would have flunked.

You CANNOT war on a human feeling.

Now, let's then to terrorism. You can't have a "war on terrorism," because terrorism is a technique.

And, technically-speaking, a war is what one sovereign nation declares on another sovereign nation.

When they attempt to speak metaphorically, they only sound like they are spouting complete nonsense.

I guess a nation could target terrorists, but then that wouldn't justify the Patriot Act, and the other catastrophic actions they are trying to sell.

When members of this administration speak, I bow my head in shame, thinking about what the rest of the world is thinking in terms of selecting absolute morons to govern.

Then, when I think it cannot get any worse, Al From starts giving credibility to this nonsense.

Amazing!

Sorry, I get so frustrated! And, my anger certainly isn't directed at my fellow DUers/progressives.



:rant:

[wyldwolf]

30. can you have a war on poverty?

[Maat]

35. To me,

that's o.k., because it is metaphorical, and bombs aren't being dropped as a result of the plan to eradicate it.

[Maat]

36. And ..

I'd be just as happy if we called it, "The Intense Effort at Eradicating Poverty."

[Tom Joad]

5. Exactly. Just because he favors a war based on lies, that in no way

serves US interests (except for an elite few) and results in the death of tens of thousands of ordinary people... is that a reason not to share our love!
He has principles.
He is to the Democratic Party of the 21st century what Strom Thurmond was to Democratic Party of the 1940's. You want Joe to leave like good ol' Strom??

Then the Democratic will look to be unfriendly towards those who favor immoral, illegal, insane wars.

[AntiCoup2K4]

6. Yo AL! Why don't you and your friend Joe go to a place filled with many of

....those who share your definition of "integrity"...



Looks like Novak's waiting for you guys already. Pack light, Al. I hear it's warm down there. :evilgrin:

[bluestateguy]

7. I have been very patient with Joe Lieberman for 5 years

In 2000, when he gave in to Tim Russert's badgering and conceded major points of argument, undercutting the Gore campaign's recount.

And again in 2002 when he ran softball hearings of the Enron and World Com executives.

And again in 2003 when he was an apologist for the Iraq War. Oh, surely they had those weapons of mass destruction.

And again in 2004 when he made excuses for torture at Abu Grahib, raising tired, wornout 9/11 analogies. And in his presidential campaign, I left him alone.

I'm a very patient fellow. I understand why Mary Landrieu of Louisiana has to vote for oil drilling in the ANWR. I can tolerate some party defections from Ben Nelson, as he represents a state where Baby Bush is still popoular. But even I have my limits.

And now I'm cutting myself off from Lieberman.

[Usrename]

41. Don't forget his 'bi-partisan' cover-up of the Katrina aftermath...

When the DP (especially Rep. Pelosi) was clamoring for subpoena power to investigate into the disaster, here's the Senator's answer to the call for accountability:

http://lieberman.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=245208

Yup, another bi-partisan solution from this Congress made possible by a traitor. Bi-partisan, this Congress, ROFL MAO.

Mustn't let any Americans (especially those pesky liberals) find out where all the money went (rumors of $7.00 for bags of ice, thank you Brownie) for the hurricane relief.

Yep, Bush vomits, Lieberman licks it up, and the DLC admires him for being so tidy.

Heads on pikes!!!

[Rose Siding]

8. From would never attack a fellow Democrat

:eyes:

Pretty ironic for him to pitch "the big tent"

[Zensea]

9. Too bad we can't go back in a time machine

and write Al From a letter that says this and then somehow get the two Al From's (past and present) to meet ---

There's currently an orchestrated effort underway to make Governor Howard Dean into some sort of a pariah because of his views on the Iraq War. That's wrong. Republicans may try to impose strict litmus tests, but an inclusive Democratic Party should not.

There's plenty of room for debate on how to succeed in Iraq and in the war on terror. We should be a party that leads that debate, not stifles it.

Howard Dean is a man of utmost integrity who speaks and governs by his values and principles, even when they lead him against the popular tide. He is a man who always puts his country above his party or his personal interests. Those are qualities we should cherish, not disdain, in today's far too polarized politics.

We need more, not fewer, people with Howard Dean's character in the Democratic Party, and I'm proud to call him my friend.

[Douglas Carpenter]

16. exactly

I have in the past and will in the future point out that Joe Lieberman has a better voting record on domestic issues than many progressives realize.

But listening to Al From denouncing the stifling of debate would be like listening to the Jerry Falwell preach a sermon on respecting alternative lifestyles.

[IndianaGreen]

22. That's a good analogy, Al From and Jerry Falwell

But listening to Al From denouncing the stifling of debate would be like listening to the Jerry Falwell preach a sermon on respecting alternative lifestyles.

It was Al From who first launched a series of vicious attacks against liberals and antiwar Democrats for opposing Bush's rush to war. He drew first blood, as Stallone said in Rambo, and now he fears a massive revolt in the Democratic ranks against all those politicians that continue to support the war and are part of the neolib/neocon agenda of militarism and revanchism.

This whining from the top DLC honcho sounds hollow when one considers how he tried to purge all the Dean and antiwar Democrats from the party and kept their voices silenced at the Boston Convention. Remember Medea Benjamin, a Democratic delegate, being dragged from the convention floor after she unfurled an antiwar banner?

In defending Lieberman, From is also defending the views of others such as Biden and Hillary.

[pocket]

10. that bastard made HIMSELF a pariah

nobody needed to demonize him

[thebigidea]

11. stifling the debate? The hell? The Bush/Lieberman angle is all we hear

[roguevalley]

12. CAN THERE BE TWO MORE IRRELEVENT PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET!?

[MrBenchley]

13. And that's why a bunch of "progressive purists"

started YET another thread to whine and moan.

[Vickers]

14. "whine and moan"

:wtf:

I think most folks see a problem with From when (for instance) he attacks Dean for the very things he sees as qualities in Lieberman.

How they choose to voice their displeasure with this is their concern.




Oh, and sorry for whining and moaning. :eyes:

[MrBenchley]

18. Sums up the tone of our progressive purists perfectly....

"I think most folks see a problem with From"
I doubt that.

[Vickers]

20. At least quote the whole thing, pal.

"I think most folks see a problem with From when (for instance) he attacks Dean for the very things he sees as qualities in Lieberman."

Makes a little more sense now, huh? :eyes:

Oh, and it's been a pleasure whining and moaning with you. :rofl:

Ta-ta.

[MrBenchley]

25. Nope, it's still crap.

[Vickers]

28. Wow, what incisive language...or is that just Benchley-esque whining?

"Nope, it's still crap."

:rofl:

Garsh, what next? pWn3D?!?!?!?!?!?

Adios, Mr. Morose, you are being added to my "forget that fucker" file, AKA ignore.

And just in case there is a Moderator who forgot:

"You are permitted to tell someone that you are adding them to your ignore list, provided that you actually do so."

Click here for more details!

:hi:

[MrBenchley]

31. Naw, it's just the usual progressive purist whining....

And by the way, there's no downside to you putting me on igmre...I can still point out what a load of crap you post and don't have to hear you snivelling about it.

[mtnsnake]

40. LOL, good one MrB!

Thanks for the laugh!

:toast:

[Usrename]

39. What?! Ignore the resident expert on crap?

How could you? He is so well versed on the subject. Knows everything about it.

You will be missing out on so much crap. He's a virtual PhD in crap.

Yep, our most expert poster on crap!

[MrBenchley]

44. I sure see enough of it

from the Junior Joe McCarthy Club.

[Moochy]

26. Don't forget Snivelling!

We snivel too according to Benchley.

*sniff*

[radio4progressives]

42. MrBenchley doesn't think "most folks see a problem with From" LOL!!!!!!

The moment someone exposes the abject hypocrisy of his pal Al, here comes MrBenchely to his rescue with his list of tiresome and lame ad hominims! ..

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

"I think most folks see a problem with From"
MB responds: I doubt that.


talk about pissing and moaning... :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[depakid]

47. tiresome and lame ad hominims

Don't substitute for honest appraisals of the facts, citation to authority and well reasoned analysis.

In defense, methinks he may spread himself too thin. Easy to do around here.

[IndianaGreen]

48. Zell Miller had his defenders in this board until...

the very day he endorsed Bush and challenged Twitty to a duel.

[Moochy]

27. I knew you'd be around to keep

everyone in check. At DU it's like death, taxes & mr Benchley calling progressives on their "whining & snivelling"

[flpoljunkie]

15. Is that why he voted for cloture on bankruptcy before he voted against it?

That's real character and from the honorary Co-Chair of the Committee to LIberate Iraq. The other Co-Chair,you ask--none other than Indiana's Senator Evan Bayh, who seems to be running for the Democratic nomination for president--and coincidentally one of Al From's "Candidates," the other being Hillary Clinton, Tom Vilsack, Mark Warner--in that order.

[Totally Committed]

17. Al From is someone whose "input" should, by now, be

at the very least, treated as "suspect". I persoanlly think the man has his head so far up his own ass, he can't see straight, but, that's only my opinion. That opinion is also held for Joe Lieberman. They are both Democrats in name only, as far as I'm concerned. Their belief systems, methods, and the issues they support make it impossible for me to support anything that comes out of either of their mouths. Period.

TC

[Evergreen Emerald]

19. And I quote:

"It's time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge he'll be commander-in-chief for three more critical years, and that in matters of war we undermine presidential credibility at our nation's peril." Joe Lieberman

My disagreement with Joe Lieberman is not based solely on his views of the Iraq war. (I will admit that is part of it). My disagreement with him stems from his apparent willingness to turn his back on his party in an attempt to stifle dissent to protect * , at the expense of the lives of our soldiers.

[radio4progressives]

23. What a Hypocrite Al From is! N/T

:nopity:

[LynneSin]

24. Al From is an asshole who is the reason while the DLC failed

If the DLC democrats were smart they'd oust the guy. He is a plague on society!

[AntiCoup2K4]

33. Al is an asshole, but he's not the only asshole.

Bruce Reed, Will PNAC Marshall, and Marshall "Christian Coalition" Wittmann are every bit as detestable, and Tom VilSuck was rewarded for rigging the Iowa caucus. And of course we all know about Evan Bayh, Holy Joe, Hillary and the rest who have carried official DLC titles past or present. Not a lot of redeeming qualities in the lot of them, really.

Therefore, I don't believe there is a way of making the DLC useful. And certainly not just by ousting one loser.

[Name removed]

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[butterfly77]

32. Joe is being used ...

like a little punk, he is helping those evil asses to destroy Democrats so , joe must go! Whatever he believes he didn't have to stand there like a poster boy for the repugs. Your're outta here!

[dansolo]

34. Then why didn't Al From defend Howard Dean's right to object to the war?

"There's plenty of room for debate on how to succeed in Iraq and in the war on terror. We should be a party that leads that debate, not stifles it."

Does anyone really believe this crap? Al From was the leader in stifling all debate about the war.

[Nutmegger]

37. Right on!

God forbid if someone says something against the war (i.e. phased withdrawal is now "cut and run").

[jpgray]

38. What you said

It's okay to stifle debate when the wind's blowing your way, I suppose.

[radio4progressives]

43. he's a right wing reptilian...

that's all we need to know... he's about as relevant to reality we're dealing with as Mao is to Chinese workers employed with Wal Mart, imo.

[paineinthearse]

45. Too good to let die

I'm enjoying the posts, keep them coming.

[depakid]

46. "a man of utmost integrity" LOL!

He has about as much integrity as Al From.

You can both let the door hit your asses hard on the way out.

[lojasmo]

49. One more time: Al From can kiss my arse. EOM

[ChiciB1]

50. Al From Can Stick It Where The Sun Don't Shine!

Sometimes it REALLY seems SOME Democrats just AREN'T!!

What a load of CRAP!!