another article on the 911 black boxes

[donsu]

http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002593.html


The "black boxes" that did not bark, and the need for a real 9/11 probe


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Then, in October 2004, we followed that up with a very tiny piece of the puzzle. Two men who'd worked in the rubble of the World Trade Center claimed that they'd help find three of the four "black boxes" from the jetliners -- even though the FBI and the independent 9/11 Commission insisted they'd never been recovered. (One footnote: Even though we correctly surmised that the story wouldn't cause much of a stir, we worked hard to make sure it was printed before the presidential election; maybe that's the reason we don't work at the New York Times.)

That story was pretty much forgotten until this week, when another Philadelphia-based investigative reporter, Dave Lindorff, added yet another tiny puzzle piece. An official with the National Transportation Safety Board, who didn't want to be named for understandable reasons, confirmed to Lindorff that the FBI had indeed recovered the flight recorders from the World Trade Center site:

"Off the record, we had the boxes," the source says. "You'd have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here."

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But we can also assure you of this: You won't see any followups on Lindorff's work in the mainstream media. They're too scared -- scared that by even questioning one small aspect of the official story of 9/11, they're be forever tarred as "conspiracy nuts" and forever ruined. This even after the official story of the invasion of Iraq and so much else coming out of Washington these last five years have crumbled like a Sara Lee coffee cake.
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the black boxes didn't bark
and
the truth will out

[havocmom]

1. Thanks. Hard to swallow black boxes vaproized & passports fine

and easy to find when they wanted to ID the guilty parties

[acmejack]

2. Really, even my gullibility has limits!

I never believed they didn't have those boxes, I have seen a crash where the boxes were fine, unbelievably. Of course I have been a "conspiracy theorist" (per Kos, I prefer the term realist) since early on.

[Enraged_Ape]

3. ALL the boxes were destroyed, yet Atta's passport survived...

and floated down through dozens of stories to be found unharmed on the street below.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

This--and 2200 dead American soldiers, tens of thousands of dead Iraqis (many of them little children), a near-bankrupt nation, and continual lie upon lie upon lie--have finally, absolutely convinced me that MIHOP is not a tinfoil-hat conspiracy. It is, sadly, a fact.

[gulfcoastliberal]

4. We're beyond bankrupt.

Debt to GDP ratio of 350%. $40 trillion of debt to $11 trillion GDP plus only 64 billion in real currency assets. If we wer a business, we'd be like an Enron, or something uglier.

[schrodingers_cat]

13. Indeed - I heard on AAR radio that the national debt per household is

now $120,000- each. Think of the goos things that this money could have accomplished, and weep.....

[JohnyCanuck]

14. It wasn't Atta's passport that was found at the scene.

The passport was that of another of the alleged hijackers Satam Al Suqami.

The passport of hijacker Satam Al Suqami is found a few blocks from the WTC. {ABC News, 9/16/01; Associated Press, 9/16/01; ABC News, 9/12/01 (C)} The Guardian says, “The idea that Mohamed Atta's passport had escaped from that inferno unsinged (tests) the credulity of the staunchest supporter of the FBI's crackdown on terrorism.” {Guardian, 3/19/02} (Note that, as in this Guardian account, the passport is frequently mistakenly referred to as Atta's passport.) (my emphasis /jc)

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/searchResults.jsp?searchtext=atta+passport&events=on&entities=on&articles=on&topics=on&timelines=on&projects=on&titles=on&descriptions=on&dosearch=on&search=+Go+

[Enraged_Ape]

19. A passport by any other name...

would still smell as ridiculous.

[pagandem4justice]

5. Motive?

From the same article:

His NTSB source didn't have a lot more to say, and so his piece raises more questions than it answers. After all, both New York crashes were captured on videotape. What would be the motivation for concealing the flight data and voice recordings, when both crashes have already been seen by the entire world. And we think most 9/11 "conspiracy" chatter, about no planes or mysterious "pods," is ridiculous bunk.

All this says to me is that the purpose of concealing the data recorders isn't to cloak something about the crashes themselves, but rather about what was said in those cockpits during the period from the hijackings to the crashes. Recordings that might reveal voices that didn't belong to Atta et al, perhaps?

Of course, I've been MIHOP since 2001, so might be overreaching, but still...

:tinfoilhat:

[Talismom]

6. You're not alone baby! I'll be MIHOP for the rest of my days. n/t

[rman]

7. concealing what was said, or what wasn't said

In my view, once one has accepted that 9-11 was a false-flag operation, it a minor step to realize that it's easier to use remote controlled planes. It eliminates any hassle with heroic passengers and lack of suicidal pilots.
The technology has been around at least since the 60s and around that time a false-flag op. involving a remote controlled airplane was planned and proposed at the highest levels in US government. See Operation Northwoods http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods.

Many of the same radical RW elements that came up with those kind of plans back then, are in the game now, they even occupy the WH and have replaced many top figures in government and related agencies.

[slipslidingaway]

8. K&R, thanks. n/t

[Al-CIAda]

9. K&R'd

[Wilms]

10. .

[stickdog]

11. Just another piece to the puzzle

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=808

[petgoat]

16. I think that when Andrew Card comes into that schoolroom and

whispers in Bush's ear he's saying "Mr. President, flights 93
and 77 have been delayed. You'll have to stall."

Then Bush nods and goes all shakey and he's thinking "Stall?
The nation is under attack and I'm supposed to stall? We'll
never get away with this! Is Cheney pulling a double cross?"

[greiner3]

12. I can see their point;

They're too scared -- scared that by even questioning one small aspect of the official story of 9/11, they're be forever tarred as "conspiracy nuts" and forever ruined.

Happy Holidays, we'll figure it out!

[JohnyCanuck]

15. They're even more scared that if the truth were to come out

they will be painted as co-conspirators for helping to maintain the coverup. The penalties for treason are usually quite harsh I understand.

[donsu]

17. I'll never forget Rummy when he first went before mics on 9/11

he was so excited he could hardly put words together. he was high on success.

if that video is still around give it a watch.

[petgoat]

18. According to Dr. David Ray Griffin, Rummy was positively

precognitive that day.

Here's from "The New Pearl Harbor"


At 8:44, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld was in the Pentagon
talking about terrorism with Representative Christopher Cox.

"Let me tell ya," the Associated Press quoted Rumsfeld as
saying, "I've been around the block a few times. There will
be another event. There will be another event." And, if he
in fact said this, he was right. Two minutes later, at 8:46,
Flight 11 crashed into the WTC's North Tower....

Fifty minutes later, Rummy did it again:

Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld, according to the official
account, had not been informed of the approaching
and was still with Representative Cox. While they together
watched the television coverage of the WTC, Rumsfeld reportedly
demonstrated his predictive powers again, saving: "Believe me,
this isn't over yet. There's going to be another attack, and it
could be us." Moments later, at about 9:38, the Pentagon was hit.


Griffin's book can be read free online here:

http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/06/141355.php

[newspeak]

20. yeah, and it was really, really lucky

that the plane hit the pentagon where they were doing renovation work. And how long did it take the plane to hit the pentagon after the second building was hit? There are things that make some people go hmmmm.