I am appalled at the lack of outrage from our Demo leaders. Every day

[rhett o rick]

more assaults on the Constitution and democracy are revealed and little or no reaction from our Demo leaders and representatives. What in the hell are they waiting for. I believe there is a point of no return for democracy in America and I hope to hell we haven't already passed it. Tyranny is upon us. Help!

[leftyladyfrommo]

1. Outrage doesn't seem to work anymore.

People stand up and yell and jump up and down and it just kind of echoes down an empty chamber.

[rhett o rick]

12. Yes i agree, but outrage is a reaction not a method. Everyday i am

outraged by what the Republicans are getting away with. Looking to my demo representatives and seeing no reaction worries me. How far will they let this march to tyranny go before they do something.

[Blue_In_AK]

25. Outrage didn't work for Ted Stevens...

:rofl:

[Mark E. Smith]

2. What Is It You Want Them To Do?

Run around in circles waving their hands in the air?

Some things are better left to adults, don't you think?

[rhett o rick]

7. I certainly don't want them to continue hiding under their desks, hoping

this will all blow over. They have access to the media. Press conferences pointing out to the voting public all the atrocities. The corp media can play these issues down, but our leaders can bring attention. We need to take a lesson from their playbook. Continue telling the truth until the public gets it. Introduce legislation like John Conyers. Speak out for democracy's sake. Hillary seems to be worried about flag burning.

[...of J.Temperance]

22. I think that our Democratic leaders are doing a FINE job and they're doing

The best that they can under incredibly difficult circumstances.

Our Senate Democrats for example, they need a medal for having to go into the Senate each day and sit there listening to all of the horsecrap from Frist, Hatch, Santorum et al...Jaysus, they need a medal for JUST having to LISTEN to the whiney voiced Jeff Sessions.

[rhett o rick]

11. Follow John Conyers lead. nm

[European Socialist]

3. I know what you mean. They are getting better...

but I'm sick of the glancing blows. Dems need to say that a criminal gang is trying to take over the country, and it needs to be stopped.

[rhett o rick]

36. Bravo, I agree completely. I was beginning to think I was the only one

to think that. A lot of responders seem to think every thing is going fine. Doing a fine job, meanwhile Bushco is openly, assaulting the Constitution, destroying unions, stealing money from retirees, giving billions to his friends. Please tell me if this doesn't deserve outrage. It won't be easy to stop but we must at least slow the momentum. It may take some well-known demo's to openly state that Bushco is destroying the Country which will be risky for them. A little red-faced screaming outrage might wake up some of the apathetic.

[JDPriestly]

4. "They" are waiting for "us," the American people, to demand

that they impeach the president. "They" are waiting to get a majority in Congress that is willing to impeach. "They" do not get elected unless we help them. It's up to "us."

[SkiGuy]

5. Using one's brain is far more effective than outrage

I think they have been VERY successful.

[rhett o rick]

9. Help me out. What success? They aren't even slowing down the march to

fascism. Every day more atrocities are revealed.

[SkiGuy]

15. Every day more atrocities are revealed

and that's success. How do you think they are being revealed? Perhaps because of pressure from Pelosi, Reid, Murtha, J. Reed, Kerry, etc, etc?

[rhett o rick]

21. I agree. nm

[unblock]

6. in ain't the dem leaders, it's the banana republican media

if the media actually rewarded democrats for standing up for our rights, they'd be falling over themselves to give their best patrick henry impersonation.

but instead, the media either cuts off their microphone, airs their story on page 27d, at 3am, and then runs the banana republican smears that democrats are traitors on page 1, in prime time.

do you think our democratic politicians are that stupid at politics? they know what plays and what doesn't.

if you see direct mail from democratic politicians, or hear a speech that is NOT getting national coverage, they sound exactly like the leaders you want. when they can bypass the national media, they can do this. but it just doesn't work when the banana republicans control the national microphone.

[SkiGuy]

8. Good point

I have the day off. Think I'm going to send out some emails to my local media (again).

[rhett o rick]

10. So are you saying that if my Sen Murray calls a press conference

and states that she is against domestic spying and torture, that she will get no coverage? She, as many others have not even stated their opinion on torture. I guess it is ok with them. You say they know what plays, but the Demo have not shown that since 2000. Apparently what the republicans are doing plays.

[unblock]

16. what i'm saying is try to catch senator murray at the next local speech

senators do occassionally come home and make quiet speeches to rotary clubs and churches or whatever, and the national media doesn't always bother with every one of these.

catch one of those speeches and i'll bet you'll be surprised at the difference in what you hear when the national media isn't inserted between you and your democratic leaders.

[SkiGuy]

18. Have you checked her web page for statements?

[rhett o rick]

27. Yes i check reqularly. She has a very mild statement about the spying.

[karynnj]

28. I doubt she would get ANY real national coverage

Consider that, among others, Senator Kerry, the last Democratic nominee, spoke against BOTH Domestic Spying and torture this past week. Domestic spying with Ed Shultz and Bill Press. Torture in both his Senate speech and in the Democratic news conference on ANWR.

I think Kerry is as high profile a Democrat as we have - except for the Clintons - how much coverage was he given? (Compare to the coverage given in 1997 to Bob Dole - who last by a much larger margin and did Viagra and Pepsi (where he leered at an underage Brittany Spears) commercials.)

[ProSense]

13. With the Democrats as the minority in Congress, this is the reality

Democratic leaders






Republicans' response to Bush








Karl Rove



Media relationship to Bush




Media at sign of public outrage




Let's say the Democratic leaders




Republicans' response to Bush will not change







Karl Rove



Media will continue course







Me
Awaiting 2006 showdown

[AX10]

14. sadly, that is the "reality".

We need the congress back.

[ProSense]

19. Yes, but I also think public outrage can spur

Republicans to cooperate. The spying incident is a perfect opportunity because it is clearly a crime everyone can understand. Even those who are trying to spin it in Bush's favor are focused on the legal aspect of it. The public understands what happened. If the pro-Bush spin is debunked, the public outrage will follow, IMO.

[fujiyama]

32. LOL

That is fuckin hilarious and it's sad that that's the truth...

I think we should have a thread in the lounge that is communicated purely by emoticons.

[liberalnurse]

17. They are just as outrages as you and I.

They don't have the luxury of being able to be impulsive and confrontational. They channel their disgust in a whole different fashion than we do because they are under a microscope. The right wing will chew them up and spit them out for breakfast.....There is a covert way of dealing with them and "in your face" is not it.

[Mark E. Smith]

20. Methinks Rick here is just engaging in a little recreational Dem bashing

What is good to see here is so many people taking the time to point out how wrong he is.

[rhett o rick]

35. Not sure what you mean by "wrong". Am I wrong to want more Democrats

to be passionately opposed to this tyrannical administration? Am I wrong to expect more of our Democratic representatives to speak out? There are a few that are speaking out, but I would like to see more. I see Democracy as crumbling at a rapid rate. Am I wrong? We haven't ended the WAr, stopped torture, stopped the spying, stopped the whole-sale erosion of the Constitution, stopped the attack on our environment, etc, etc. Yes I am passionate about stopping this rush to tyranny and want more Democrats to be also. If I am wrong, I apologize. Apathy will kill us.

[LittleClarkie]

23. Not sure what you're waitng for. Red face screaming?

Jumping up and down and ranting?

I thought several of our Dems were fighting pretty hard. Feingold, Boxer, Kerry, Reid, to name a few.

[rhett o rick]

26. That's better than nothing. Yes you named a few, too few for me sorry. nm

[adigal]

24. They went home for XMas - Bush won

I think that they cannot stay here, and demand hearings immediately, shows Bush just how important our Senators find this situation.

[seabeyond]

30. bullshit. they were fighting other things this week, didnt you here

[seabeyond]

29. they were a little busy fighting the patriot act, budget bill and

defence bill that has anwar in it. kick their ass after they just busted ass for a couple weeks on this shit and did a damn good job, why dont you. and yes, there are dems doing stuff now. take a deep breath and i am sure they will be right on it. let them have the weekend with their family. i am sure you will critize that also.

[leftofthedial]

31. you confuse our 'leaders" with actual opposition

politics is like pro rasslin'. it's all scripted and the same guy writes the checks for everyone, win or lose, good guys or bad.

[fujiyama]

33. I heaerd Leahy

among others and hee sounded righteously pissed...

Feingold and Boxer are more than doing their fair share...

I mean, shouting and screaming can only get so much when you're a minority party...There's only so much coverage you can get by this whore media. Even the higheest profile Dems (like Kerry) just don't get that much airtime.

[rhett o rick]

34. Agree there are a few that seems to be carrying the load. But it seems to

me that the Democrats are fighting a forest fire with a garden hose. You make an important point, "there is only so much coverage you can get by the whore media,". Absolutely. Our goal is to do just that. Figure out how to get the message out. The internet is one way. But we have to get the truth out to the people or we are lost.

[formercia]

37. Many of them are Millionaires and would benefit

from the New World Order. Do you expect anything else?

It is one consequence of only the rich being able to afford running for Congress.