Kerry on Ed Schultz talking about vote fraud

[snowbird42]

[Catamount]

1. Kerry at last!

I'm so glad that he finally acknowledged the Election fraud!
:kick:

[snowbird42]

3. I sure wish hed say more.

He just said that the votes could be hacked in Florida....

[Catamount]

19. He also said:

That the inquries into the Ohio elections to do with Blackwell and his crew hadn't been finalized yet! That there was plenty of evidence of tampering and that all people's votes had not been counted.

[blm]

30. The GOP judges in Ohio are slow-walking these cases.

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[DesertRat]

6. too little, too late imo. n/t

[Roland99]

21. Is this only because of the contents of Conyers' report?

[emulatorloo]

13. Can you please summarize what Kerry said? THANKS!

Would like to know what he said and Schultz said.

[LittleClarkie]

20. Here's what I can remember

and the importance that people know that their vote counted. He mentioned Diebold, the county in Florida that rejected Diebold because they're hackable, the lawsuits he's involved in regarding the vote, and how important it is for democracy that people can trust the process. He mentioned Blackwell in relation to the lawsuits.

He also talked about how the President's excuses didn't wash since he could have gotten a warrant for the secret wire taps from the secret court, a court that almost never says no. And he was talking about how the Senate should pass a temporary Patriot Act (3 months) so that they could iron out their differences, but the Republicans didn't look like they would go with that.

He repeated that the president still doesn't know how to admit a mistake.

That's all I can remember.

[Catamount]

22. He talked about the ANWR victory....

in the Senate mainly, but touched on Election Fraud both in Florida and Ohio.
He mentioned John Conyer's investigations into all the illegalities to do with last year's elections.
I was stunned that he finally admitted publicly to the notion that his camp might have been hacked into by the repugs.
If you want to hear it all, you can find it on Ed's website www.wegoted.com, where you can do a poll while you visit!
:hi:

[LittleClarkie]

29. I misssed that part. I was watching him during the vote though

he was sort of hanging out in the well, waiting for the tally. Then when Frist switched his vote, which we all know means we'd won this round, Kerry bolted out of there like he had someplace to go.

[emulatorloo]

35. thanks to both of you --- I will hit that website! N/t

[katinmn]

55. Yes. Finally! Now keep going. We're running out of time.

[napi21]

2. Yea, I heard him. He was OK, but that's all I can say.

He's a LOT better than Shrub could ever hope to be, but he just doesn't have what it takes to motivate people. I think he's a great Senator for Mass., but I think that's where he should stay.

[second edition]

5. HE MOTIVATES ME. Maybe it's you! n/t

[Mass]

7. Me too, and a lot of people.

Not all people are motivated by the same person. The world would be boring otherwise.

[ProSense]

11. Kerry will speak out at the right time. Seem Miller motivated people to

criticize. Now Kerry speaking out is motivating people to criticize. Damn, some people will never be happy.

Maybe the time is right. A lot is happening and it's not happening by accident or because the Republicans want it to.

[tavalon]

39. Kerry will speak out at the right time.

I am sick to death of that phrase. It's way too worn out at this point.

[ProSense]

42. Worn out? I want Fitzgerald to speak out today.

But this isn't about what I want; it's about proof. The right time may not be convenient enough for you, but it's extremely important to those investigating or looking into what happened.

Yesterday, Kerry mentioned a lot has been going on, the kind of things some people doubted were ongoing. So, I'm going to stick with Kerry on this one.

[tavalon]

43. I'm not saying he can't be an ally

He's just not an ally I would put much stock in. He keeps his finger in the wind, much as Hillary Clinton does. They don't have any opinions that haven't been vetted through polls. No thanks.

[ProSense]

44. Ally? To who? Finger in the wind? Do you know anything about Kerry?

Kerry is one of the strongest progressive leaders out there. He has led, and is still leading, the fight against corruption and lies, a fight he began in 1971.

You can choose any leader you want, but keep the facts in check.

[tavalon]

45. I think he's a good Senator

But I think we should have had Dean/Edwards as our ticket.

Hey, I'm willing to give the guy his due. It took me most of this last year to be able to. I don't spit on the ground when his name is mentioned any more. It's progress.

Hey, BTW, I worked for his campaign. I'm well aware of his positions, both the one's he doesn't change and the one's he does.

[ProSense]

46. In this order: work his campaign, spit at mention of his name, give dues?

Please clarify!

[tavalon]

47. I was very pro Kerry when he was running

Actually, I was in the Dean camp until Kerry was the nominee and then I moved over. I had some concerns because he was so careful, reminiscent in my mind of how Gore was. I blame their handlers in both cases but that is neither here nor there to this conversation. Along with working many hours at the local headquarters I had a night job and was working the night of the election. I watched anxiously and saw as we all did what was happening in Ohio. Kerry said he make sure that every vote was counted, that no voter was disenfranchised. That was something I could proudly stand behind. The next morning he figured out that even if all the votes were counted there weren't enough to change the outcome so he conceded, voters be damned. And in his concession, he destroyed any chance we had of mounting a PR campaign to shine the light on the widespread fraud that happened in Ohio, Florida and even Arizona. I was enraged. I tore down every campaign poster I had and had he been in the room with me, well, I'm glad he wasn't in the room with me.

I've known from the beginning that the Bush administration would fuck us over in any way they could so while their betrayal is grievous, it is not unexpected. What Kerry did was out of left field and completely destroyed my faith in him. While I have eased up on him in the last few months I will not forget how the voters only mattered if they were numerous enough and how Kerry screwed us.

One thing I still have a problem with is hearing how Kerry will speak out at the right time. There have been many right times and sometimes he sends up a small trial balloon but so far, no Knight is he.

[ProSense]

48. Sorry you feel screwed. Kerry didn't screw anyone. You were very pro-Kerry

and his concession turned you off enough to malign him in your original response?

I say it again, the right time may not be convenient enough for you, but it's extremely important to those investigating or looking into what happened.

Yesterday, Kerry mentioned a lot has been going on, the kind of things some people doubted were ongoing. And he clearly is focused on the situation.

[tavalon]

49. No

My original post was maligning the repetitive use of "Kerry will speak out at the right time". It is a much overused phrase.

[ProSense]

50. OK not the original response, but you did malign him in the next two.

Your second response:

He's just not an ally I would put much stock in. He keeps his finger in the wind, much as Hillary Clinton does. They don't have any opinions that haven't been vetted through polls. No thanks.


Your third response:

But I think we should have had Dean/Edwards as our ticket.

Hey, I'm willing to give the guy his due. It took me most of this last year to be able to. I don't spit on the ground when his name is mentioned any more. It's progress.

Hey, BTW, I worked for his campaign. I'm well aware of his positions, both the one's he doesn't change and the one's he does.

[tavalon]

51. I think this is rapidly degenerating into

did so, did not, did so, did not!

I stated my point of view. It's different from yours. We can exist on the same planet as far as I know.

[ProSense]

52. We differ: your POV doesn't appear to have ever been "very pro-Kerry" n/t

[karynnj]

54. Edwards doesn't have the consistency Kerry has had

over his career. One peak into the values of Edwards and Kerry, is that both (with similar charismatic skills) excelled as trial lawyers - Kerry, after a small number of years (the only years in his life where he made large amounts of money) chose to serve MA as Lt Gov then as Senator. Edwards lived the trial lawyer life for years amassing a huge fortune. During most of that time he was not active politically.

Edwards is far more likely to be a politician with his finger in the air before he commits. I do think he is sincere on his poverty inititives. One might question why after about 4 years as Senator, he spent his time running for President.

[radio4progressives]

9. I'm with you... does not motivate me at all.. especially after Nov 3rd.

he's but a mere shadow of the JFK of 1971.

[TayTay]

10. He motivates me

Takes all kinds to make a living world. Guess we cancel each other out.

Any other Dems you dislike or just Kerry?

[napi21]

12. I didn't say I don't like Kerry, I just don't think he's got the

speaking ability to motivate enough voters to elect him President.

He always sounds like a professor, or perhaps a Senator, but that doesn't do well on the campaign trail.

[ProSense]

17. The issue is election fraud: he won, which invalidates your point. n/t

[karynnj]

23. That's why the highly charismatic trio, Dean, Edwards, and Clark

absolutely killed him in the primaries. (The media at various times pushed each of these men as winners - Kerry got good press only after he was already winning. The people who saw and heard him liked him.

[fedupinBushcountry]

24. Did you ever meet him?

Funny he motivated me, and I hadn't been motivated like that since Bobby Kennedy. Funny I went to a rally for him before we voted in the primary in a red state, funny how so many were motivated even more and inspired even more after that rally. He won our state, he is the real deal. As the head of a former Dean meet-up who met him personally on Memorial day, his words in a message he sent to all of us about that meeting "he's not to cold and not to hot, he's just right". He found him to be the real deal and did a great job for Kerry throughout the campaign.

Also, professor speak, I met him and talked to him and it was like talking to a regular guy who really cared about what I thought.

Have you talked to all 59 million + that voted for him? So think what you may, but don't speak for voters. :argh:

[globalvillage]

27. I have.

And he is truly intelligent and funny and deeply concerned about the problems we face. So, to anyone wondering what happened to the Kerry of '71, he's a little older and a whole lot wiser, and he's fighting for us every day. Even when you can't see him doing it.
And he rocked today.

[PinkyisBlue]

57. It sounds like you're bashing him for being intelligent

And I'm sick of hearing people accuse Kerry of being too smart. He won all three debates against Bush Numbnuts (just like Gore did). Personally, I would rather have a beer with a smart guy like John Kerry than a stupid party-boy frat guy like GW Bush.

[Old and In the Way]

41. A mere shadow of JFK in 1971?

As someone who has followed JFK's career since '70, I couldn't disagree more. He led the highest profile Senate investigation into BCCI in the 90s....he's been a solid liberal/progressive voice his entire career. He is a great speaker.....he was turning out 30-40,000 people to hear his speeches in 2004. Kerry is also a prosecutor. He doesn't make a case unless he can make it stick. Crying foul without the proof would knock the wheels off any chance to expose election corruption. If he gets the evidence, he'll make the case. I think he's getting the evidence that's making his case and he's beginning to turn the heat up on this simmering pot of election crimes. It started with Miller, and it seems to be getting progressively louder.

[MH1]

28. Disagree. Count me among the motivated!

Kerry motivated me in 2004 and he's been motivating me ever since, as well as many other people I know.

People who say they don't think he's motivating enough have a variety of reasons for saying that, IMO. We shall see.

And, he's been dealing with the fraud and other issues of the election all along, just not advertising what he is doing, and that makes some people unhappy; I understand but disagree, I think he's doing it exactly right. Again, we shall see.

[ohtransplant]

31. Have to admit I wasn't much of a fan

but when I started researching him, his experience and background, I started to be impressed. The more I learn about this guy, the more impressed I get.

He may not be perfect but he's the real deal.

I, for one, want a President who chooses his words carefully. It would be a nice change.

I'd also prefer have a warrior who's proved himself in battle after battle to a paper tiger who can't remember if he fulfilled his Guard duty.

Not motivated? Read some of his speeches. Go to one.

I, for one, have become motivated and would be proud to call JK Mr. President.

[LittleClarkie]

32. You just described my history pretty well

started off not enthused, ended up quite enthused. I'm inspired too.

[politicasista]

33. I was like that as well

didn't care or not enthused, but it changed after the convention.

[BrainRants]

4. Why wasn't he on November 3, 2004 talking about it?

Just askin...

[LittleClarkie]

18. The things he mentioned just happened --

like the troubles Diebold is having, what with their CEO quitting and all, and that county in Florida rejecting their machines as too hackable (and yes, he said hackable) and the lawsuits he said he's involved in regarding the votes. He mentioned Blackwell.

That's what he was talking about.

[Mass]

8. I could not listen. What did he say about that.

[LittleClarkie]

16. When I turned it on, he was talking about wire-tapping, the Patriot Act

and the importance that people know that their vote counted. He mentioned Diebold, the county in Florida that rejected Diebold because they're hackable, the lawsuits he's involved in regarding the vote, and how important it is for democracy that people can trust the process.

He also talked about how the President's excuses didn't wash since he could have gotten a warrant for the secret wire taps from the secret court, a court that almost never says no. And he was talking about how the Senate should pass a temporary Patriot Act (3 months) so that they could iron out their differences, but the Republicans didn't look like they would go with that.

That's all I can remember.

[AtomicKitten]

14. Do you get the impression all the crimes are going to explode?

The election fraud, the lies to go to Iraq, the CIA leak, and so much more.
I just have this feeling that it has reached the boiling point and the shiite is going to hit the fan.

[caligirl]

15. My feeling too. Crimes up one side and down the other. sickens

the masses.Impeachment is to good for him.

[bush_is_wacko]

36. That's what it seems like they are trying to do. Hit him with all of it

at once. Good strategy but we still need more seats in the House and Senate to get the job done. If they can keep this up until those elections (which I'm sure they can.) * can be impeached and convicted. Not soon enough for me. the impeachment process alone will take quite some time. If he is impeached and convicted it will be just in time to vote for a new president anyway. So, in essence, it's an attempt to win back the White House in 2008 and install a dem president. Hopefully, we will still have a Republic by then. I have to wonder sometimes!

[Klimmer]

25. I can't be more happy with the truth spilling over . . .

That's my President!

What is with you nay-sayers? Kerry hasn't changed. He is doing what he has always done. Fighting. Maybe not on your time-table, but none-the-less he is and he continues. He has let out more than enough information to let people know who really listen what he feels and thinks since the election.

In a very public position you can't call someone a crook unless you have hard evidence. It is easy for all of us on DU to talk crap because we can hide (to some degree; although to come to think of it, maybe we all have our forum posts read as well as our emails) behind our forum personalities.

Now that all kinds of hard evidence against the BCF is spilling forth in so many ways --- it's like the dam is breaking loose --- Kerry is in a very good position to let it out and let everyone know in a very public way, the way he has always felt and thought. His actions behind the scenes and also everything he has done publically since the election only confirms it.

Kerry is on the job and has never left his post. He threatens the GOP and that is why they attack him so.

All I can say is Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!! It is going to be an intersting one for me around some of my BCF supporting right-wing GOP relatives. The great part is I'm right on all accounts. I don't even think I have to say much. They know. Nothing like the pleasure of saying "I told you so," without ever having to say it.

:rofl:

[Adelante]

26. I'm glad to hear this

I hope Senator Kerry opens a full scale, Iran-Contra type investigation into election fraud 2000 and 2004. Nobody could do it better.

[BlueIris]

34. Senator Kerry? Make out with me.

Ahem. As always, apologies to Mrs. Heinz Kerry. I just--Sir, I know you've followed the research, the investigations, the court cases, and probably felt just as frustrated as I do that there was nothing you could have done that wouldn't run the risk of endangering the evidence still being collected, or the cause. I'm sorry so many ignorant so-called Democrats could not be bothered to get acquainted with the facts (or reality) before judging you, Howard Dean, Reverend Sharpton, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Michael Moore, Ralph Fucking Nader and all other Progressives who did not speak out due to similar concerns. You're a fine man, and a good liberal. Keep it up. We're here for you.

[TayTay]

37. Form the line, sweetie, form the line.

Seriously, it's amazing what that NSA spying case has done to make it safe to talk about the crimes of the Bush Admin. After all, if these bunch of arrogant bastards can ignore the laws they find inconvenient, then what else have they done that needs looking into?

[YvonneCa]

38. That case, and the admission that he ( *) gave the order ...

...to wiretap U.S. citizens, clearly and FINALLY shows his administration's pattern of ignoring the law when 'governing' for all to see. Let's hope the public's eyes are open now.:patriot:

[zulchzulu]

53. Amen Sister

Not the making out part, but...yes, once people do something called finding out the facts on Kerry post-Election (and before), they will find he is a tough, eloquent, seasoned gentleman who is indeed on our side...and has over 30 years of experience to prove it.

[farmbo]

40. The Man was Pissed...He denounced Blackwell by name.

It took the Leon County (Fla) Hack to convince Kerry that the Ohio Gang has pulled one over on American Democracy.

It begins: The Rage Against the Machines!

[YvonneCa]

56. I think...

...it was more than just that. He's been gathering evidence for some time now. If you watch his appearances in the past year, you can almost see the transition he's made. I really don't think he WANTED to believe it in the beginning (And, by the way, I didn't either. It's a lot to take in.) But now, it's clear he does. He's a man of conscience. He believes in democracy and the value of citizenship. I don't think his conscience will allow him to just let it go. This is comforting and makes me very grateful.:patriot: