General Discussion: Politics has become just like the Lounge

[wiley]

Ever since someone dared to disrespect Dean by disagreeing with him, all third party hell and DLC hatred has broken out. Ford? Have any of you ever heard what he believed before Dean became DNC chair? Democrats are far from monolithic. Just chill people!

[madfloridian]

1. wow

wow

[SharonAnn]

2. Yes, he's a Blue Dog Democrat. Always has been. Very, very

conservative. Voted for the bankruptcy bill, among other important things.

[ulysses]

3. re: Ford - yes.

I've known that Harold Ford was a centrist for quite some time.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

4. The Lounge?!?!?!?!

:popcorn:

[Strong Atheist]

5. The Lounge seems like a

warm and fuzzy place. I would not use those words about politics ...

[madfloridian]

7. Well, I never go to the lounge.

But it sure is never warm and fuzzy here. I am not so sure it should be. I used to think so, but maybe I am getting a tougher hide.

Our leaders have let so many lies go by without contesting them, they have let the president spy on our people and some of them knew it.

When a person who tells the unvarnished truth becomes persona non grata to the party leaders...then we got bigger problems than trying to be warm and fuzzy.

[madfloridian]

6. Actually my post was mainly about primary meddling.

I only incidentally mentioned how he irritated me with his statements.

He seems to think his values are better than anyone else's values.

Hey, the party leaders have a right to manipulate the primaries. Ford has a right to be arrogant.

I don't care if he likes Dean or not...just don't blast him on the Imus show.

And I do care that he questions the values of others. He sounds too righteous.

[incapsulated]

8. Hey...

I didn't go into that thread but I've been hatin' on Ford for a year, at least, lol.

:P

[wiley]

9. Ford has been over for quite some time

He has severe symptoms of a syndrome called Obama-envy. But we do have to realize that part of Dean's job is to be the "bad cop". I think he knows that. Hard to watch, yes, but probably necessary if we want to at least take over Congress and start to present some progressive ideas. I also think we need to focus on those moderate pukers who get pulled far right and don't get punished. Dean is a whole lot tougher and smarter than to worry about Ford or Imus.

[madfloridian]

10. I am not sure about the good cop bad cop.

Not that it really matters, but it is about the Democrats who refuse to stand for something that matters to us. They are usually the ones who pander more the Republicans than to us.

[wyldwolf]

11. "Ever since someone dared to disrespect Dean by disagreeing with him"

Gee, ya noticed?

[madfloridian]

12. Questioning someone's values is more than disrespect, wyldwolf.

Questioning whether another Democrat's values are good enough is far more than just disrespect.

It is totally arrogant. Ford questioned Dean's values. I think Southern Democrats need to quit being so pious about all their values, don't you?

Northern folks have good values as well. They just don't go around preaching to everyone.

[wyldwolf]

13. pot, meet kettle

The Left's constant sniping at Democrats and moderates is well known - to the point of actually endangering the chances of Democrats being elected,

But when we say one negative word in response, we're "Questioning whether another Democrat's values are good enough."

And the OP, based on what I read, wasn't discussing Ford but rather the tone in GD: Politics.

[madfloridian]

14. Kettle meet pot.

The poster mentioned Ford because I posted about the primaries and Clinton raising money for him. Ford is far more than saying a "negative" word. I did not put this statement in my post until I got blasted. But I did put it later when it became an attack on me. Ford is questioning a whole of folks' values in that statement. He sounds like he needs to shut up and sit down.

He offends me greatly when he talks about his own pious values like this. The chairman was chosen in the proper way, and he is totally out of line talking about "removing" him.


June 9, 2005
Imus: "On another note here, speaking of the Democratic Party, which you are a member of, how's Howard Dean working for you?"

Rep. Harold Ford Jr.: "(Laughing) I won't have him down so many times in Tennessee on the campaign trail with me. He has made some comments as of late that really speak to a lack of understanding I think, of the country, a lack of understanding of faith and values. I'm a Democrat and I'm a God fearing one. I grew up in church. Christianity is not reserved for white males. I think perhaps Governor Dean sometimes gets a little excited at the mouth, and says things that are simply not true. It may reach a point where if he can't find a way to kind of control some of his comments, and temper his comments, it may get to the point where the party may need to look elsewhere for leadership, because he does not speak for me, and I know he does not speak for a majority of Democrats and I dare say Republicans in my home state. I know that other, even Senator Biden and others, have made some stronger comments about him. I look forward to having a chance to sit with him here in the next day or so. I think he's going to be here in Capitol Hill a little later today to meet with us. I want to ask him directly. Can he contain himself in a lot of ways, and what is his thought process in a lot of these issues because it is not representative of where the party is."
http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2005/week23/

Guess what, Harold. Your values do not set the criteria for the rest of us.

[wiley]

30. True and Sad

Ford has issues, for sure. In his daddy's shadow and trying to create his own man. He got left waiting by Obama He got "picked" over Obama certainly by the media and many Democrats as well. He'd never get elected in his district or state as a progressive because he's not. Good thing if you're running in Tennessee. I still think he used Dean for the attention, since Dean obviously draws more attention than Ford - anywhere in the country. So, Dean is providing a point of focus from which candidates can either move left or move right, depending on their assessment of what the electorate wants in their area. Pretty much contrary to the the way that Dean works and how Northeasterners still think. They call us liberals because we actually believe that a person's character and beliefs will help them to find their footing if they get elected. We trust the less barefanged ambitious types. Ford's actions were about him showing anyone who would listen that he has cojones. The thing that he failed to understand is that we Northerners also have beliefs and values, some of which are exactly those that Ford holds. We're just way too polite and accepting that other people can disagree with us and not be plotting the desecration of some trasured custom or way we do things. Thus, the Pukes always seem to win when we argue about putting everything in the platform when we get together. Ford was just a dick. Like I said, Dean will get over it and so should we. This is a small skirmish compared to the outrageous lying and probable criminal activity that the Pukes will employ in 06.

[Moochy]

15. .. is well known... ok by you maybe.

Since the "Left" has that bully pulpit of the lib'rul media right?

How many times have we been forced to change the channel from CNN or our local affiliate because they have given time to Dennis Kucinich, or and his long rants against the good centrists trying to bring this country together.

Why just the other day.. oh wait, nevermind. :eyes:

I think you are confusing this forum with the real world.

"actually endangering the chances of Democrats being elected"

Right, we at DU control the outcome of the elections by our tenor. :tinfoilhat:

[wyldwolf]

16. uh, no... by the reality based community

You'll sit on your high horses and do nothing until a moderate Democrat gets the party's nomination, then you'll complain and whine and threaten not to vote. Or you might even work against the party's nominee like you've done before when...

... you abandoned Harry Truman not once but twice because he wouldn't play nice with the Communists.
... you protested the nomination of JFK in 1960, demanding Adlai Stevenson instead.
... you protested the 1968 Democratic convention because you preferred Gene McCarthy over Humphrey and continued to not support the Democratic nominee... Richard Nixon won that year, by the way.
... you abandoned Jimmy Carter in 1980 and hiched your horse to Ted Kennedy - bringing your "fight" to the convention floor that year. Ronald Reagan won that year, by the way.
... you bought into Ralph Nader's BS and voted third party - abandoning Al Gore..

[Moochy]

17. Wow, you know so much about me, you must be psychic!

Is it me, or do all rabid left-haters in our big tent end sentences with elipses?

[wyldwolf]

18. must be you

... it is me or do all rabid moderate haters in our big tent avoid and/or change the topic?

[Moochy]

19. I thought I'd ignore your stupid list, but what the hell

Since none of it applied to me personally.

> you abandoned Harry Truman not once but twice because he wouldn't play nice with the Communists.
McCarthy Much?

> you protested the nomination of JFK in 1960, demanding Adlai Stevenson instead.
And we cost Kennedy the election right?

> you protested the 1968 Democratic convention because you preferred Gene McCarthy over Humphrey and continued to not support the > Democratic nominee... Richard Nixon won that year, by the way.
Just like in 1960!! damn libruls!!

> ... you abandoned Jimmy Carter in 1980 and hiched your horse to Ted Kennedy - bringing your "fight" to the convention floor that year.
Yeah silly us, the October suprise had nothing to do with that at all with Jimmy Carter's loss, not to mention his media persona.


> ... you bought into Ralph Nader's BS and voted third party - abandoning Al Gore..
Yeah, electoral fraud didnt happen in 2000, not at all.

Your points are stupid, right-wing tropes that get trotted out by you "left haters"

Go caucus with Zell Miller, I hear he's more your style.

[wyldwolf]

20. facts bother you?

Since none of it applied to me personally.

Since we were discussing the "left" and not you specifically...

Your points are stupid, right-wing tropes that get trotted out by you "left haters"

Stupid? Wow! You really showed me! Prove them wrong.

Go caucus with Zell Miller, I hear he's more your style.

Is that how they teach you to discuss things at the Stalin Institute for Leftwing Lunacy?

[Moochy]

21. Da comrade!

Where my Stalin Institute for Leftwing Lunacy holds court!

how's the adjustment to the 21st century going for you? I mean time travel from the 1950's can be pretty disorienting eh?

[wyldwolf]

22. nah, history books are my friend

... they show how the leftwing fringe behaves pretty consistently.

And still, you avoid the topic.

[Moochy]

23. You win

the soviet union paid for this post. I'm a kwazy librul.

[wyldwolf]

24. yeah, that reply is something else you do, too.

"you" as in your kind generally, not you specifically.

So you can't debunk my list, but it's stupid and rightwing just the same. :eyes:

[Moochy]

25. At least you are honest enough to admit it

"but it's stupid and rightwing just the same" :eyes: oh and here's an smiley right back at you.

[wyldwolf]

26. I'm honest enough to admit that since you can't debunk it...

..you resort to a childist "it's stooopid" retort.

[Moochy]

27. No you just chose to ignore my "rebuttal" of your stupid posts

welcome to ignore and to DU I apologize for even trying to communicate with the fucking Redbaiting wyldwolf.

[wyldwolf]

28. so tell all the fine Du readers where this rebuttal is?

All I saw you do was call it stupid and rightwing.

Some rebuttal.

Ignore? Yet ANOTHER way for you to not face the facts.

[wyldwolf]

29. oh, was your PM to me your rebuttal? I'm a "paternalistic Clark lover ."

IGNORE means I'm ignoring you.

From: Moochy
Date: Dec-17-05 02:55 PM

You are on ignore, as soon as I send this. I'm not going to engage your fucking red-baiting left-hating posts. You are a paternalistic Clark lover who thinks that commies are bad, because you are a brainwashed sheep. Name calling? oh my. GOOD BYE and have a nice life, republican-lite.

But... but... moochy!

Why won't you discuss a single point on my list intead of calling it "stooooopid?"