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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:26 AM
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WSJ: Democrats Face Tax Dilemma
Democrats Face Tax Dilemma

Backing GOP Bill Would Extend Dividend, Capital-Gains Breaks
By BRODY MULLINS
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
December 10, 2005; Page A4

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Under arcane budget rules, Congress can approve $70 billion in tax cuts in a bill that is protected from a filibuster by Democrats. Such a bill needs only 50 votes in the Senate, rather than the 60 votes often needed to get controversial measures through.

But Republicans are finding it tough to fit the AMT relief, the capital-gains and dividend-tax cuts and billions of dollars in other tax breaks into the $70 billion tax-cut basket. So they hope to move the AMT relief as a separate bill, even though doing so would take 60 votes in the Senate. That would allow them to use the $70 billion for other tax cuts.

The House approved the stand-alone AMT bill last week on a 414-4 vote. Now action moves to the Senate. If Senate Democrats vote for the separate AMT relief bill, it will be easier for Republicans to extend the 15% rates for capital gains and dividends. But if they oppose it, they will be opposing a measure that disproportionately favors Democratic states. The AMT tends to hit taxpayers in states with high state and local taxes, such as California, New York and Massachusetts. Those states also tend to vote Democratic.

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Senior Democratic tax aides on Capitol Hill say that Democrats are leaning toward opposing the stand-alone AMT bill, pressuring Republicans to include the AMT fix within the protected walls of the $70 billion tax bill. That would force Republicans to trim some of the tax breaks they once hoped to approve this year. One possibility is that Republicans will extend the capital-gains and dividends rates for a single year -- through 2009. That would give them $10 billion to use for other tax breaks. Extending the capital-gains and dividends rates, enacted by Republicans in 2003, is a top Republican priority. They argue that the lower rates encourage investment and credit their enactment with the swift economic recovery of the past few years. Democrats and a few moderate Republicans say that lower rates mainly benefit the rich while adding to the federal deficit.

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Write to Brody Mullins at brody.mullins@wsj.com

URL for this article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB113418008504319143.html (subscription)


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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:34 AM
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1. Their argument is schizophrenic, the ONLY way to help our economy is via
spending.

And that means helping those who spend - it ain't the executives. It's us; the lower and middle classes.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 07:50 AM
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8. So what do you propose be done
with this particular dilemna?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:43 AM
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2. The article is protected by subscription requirements
And I'll be dammned if I'm going to fork over my money to the Wall Street Journal.

The article is too wonkish anyway.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:49 AM
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3. Yes, it is, as I mentioned by the URL
But I think that I got the main points.

Let's hope that not too Democrats consider this issue "wonkish" and will be able to stand their ground.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 07:49 AM
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7. "The article is too wonkish"
Now what does THAT mean?
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:57 AM
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4. What a load of shit. If a single person earns $100,000 a year,
the Alternative Minimum Tax says he/she can't pay less than $15,535 in federal taxes. That's an effective 15.5% tax bracket on the first $100,000. If you are married and filing jointly, your first $150,000 is taxed at a a 16.3% effective rate. Of course, the less you make, the lower that value goes -- such well over 90% of Americans don't owed a dime in AMT.

So why the fuck are DEMOCRATS voting in droves to give another huge tax break to the superwealthly? What percentage of Democratic constituents is this even an issue for? And if it's such a problem for the middle class (which it ain't), why not just add another 15% - 25% on to the already generous AMT exemption ($58,000 for joint filers; $40,250 for unmarried persons; $29,000 for those married filing separately)?
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:59 AM
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5. Glad this stuff is filibuster proof...
wouldn't want to represent the people or anything.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 07:47 AM
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6. Congress makes it's own rules. They can do whatever they like.
Nobody tells Congress how to do it's business.
This is political bullshit to confuse the Rubes.
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