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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 06:54 AM Original message |
For Those Who Think It's Time To Stop Blaming Diebold |
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gulfcoastliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 06:58 AM Response to Original message |
1. Recommended! |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 07:06 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. and it appears some people are already forgetting! |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 07:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. why? |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 07:16 AM Response to Original message |
3. Recently, in Ohio, four ELECTION REFORM initiatives were predicted to |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 07:19 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Thanks for these stats, AtomicKitten! We have an illegitmate Con-gress... |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 08:05 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Geez.... I wonder if the Iraqis know this.... if so, it could explain |
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Hugin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 07:20 AM Response to Original message |
5. Nominated. |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 07:33 AM Response to Original message |
6. here's the link where you got that |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 01:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. Whoaaaaa princess, I was plagiarizing myself. |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 07:36 AM Response to Original message |
7. here's the link to the post you were responding to |
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patdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 08:20 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I agree with the attribution, but it is NOT propaganda it is all FACTUAL |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 08:30 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. what kind of voting machines did they use in IL in 2002? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 01:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
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kevsand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
12. This is NOT all factual. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 10:21 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. That's extreme. "You just lost any validity you might ever have had." |
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kevsand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 10:39 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. That wasn't just a mistake. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 01:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. here's bartcop's correction to those figures |
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DCal (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 01:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Actually Blagojevich won 52% to 45% |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 01:51 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I was really quoting an article I wrote. |
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kevsand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 02:09 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. I never disputed your "point." |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 02:15 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. you're right in that regard. |
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Al-CIAda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
15. Partial list of voting 'irregularities'... |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
16. I don't think it's time to stop blaming Diebold.... |
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Turn CO Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
17. Gerrymandering is a bigger problem for us than Diebold |
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freedomfries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 04:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. thanks for posting these shocking stats AK |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 04:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. thanks so much for the data on HR 550 |
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VADem11 (783 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
27. Virginia 2005 |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 08:37 AM Response to Reply #27 |
63. who runs the election board? |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
28. You selectively quote polls |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 04:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. again let me say |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:06 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Your OP is not about exit polling |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 05:20 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. and here is where we part company |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 07:21 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Show us the link, ruggerson |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 07:56 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Here you go, slick |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 08:40 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Wow, just wow |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 10:04 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Have reading comprehension problems? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 10:16 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. what is your problem? |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 10:17 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Hey, slick asked me to provide links which proved |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 10:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Question. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 10:31 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Um, re read slick AKA "BeFree's" first post to me |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 10:39 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Yeah, I edited it, |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 10:45 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Look at post 47 n/t |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 10:58 PM Response to Reply #40 |
54. So, everyone is allowed to be snotty as long as they agree with you? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 10:30 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. And you did |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 10:37 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Show me where I have "supported E voting" |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 10:51 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Sometimes one sentence can paint you |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 10:56 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I'm not a fan of e-voting |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:04 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Well, it is a terrible strategy... |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:06 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. I guess we disagree |
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Humor_In_Cuneiform (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 10:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Also Avi Rubin at Johns Hopkins, an expert in network security who |
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Humor_In_Cuneiform (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
36. It was a Diebold file named "robgeorgia" that first caught |
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Humor_In_Cuneiform (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
39. The International Observers that came to our nation to observe our |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 10:26 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Wow, Georgia was interesting in 2002! |
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Humor_In_Cuneiform (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 10:31 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. I'd give the odds at as close to zero as you can get. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 08:11 AM Response to Reply #43 |
62. No, that was three candidates in Texas that won by 18,181 votes |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
42. bttft & nominated |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
50. Sing it! |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
51. MN did not use DRE from Diebold or anyone else in 2002 |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:06 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Ah, yes. Optical scanners. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Optical scan is almost as bad |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 11:49 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Yes, audits are a key component to keeping optical scan honest |
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farmboxer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 02:04 AM Response to Original message |
60. The Republican manufactured and programmed voting machines |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 02:51 AM Response to Original message |
61. Rod Blagojevich is currently Governor of Illinois? |
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DCal (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 11:42 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. No, the author of this thread has been notified of this mistake, |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 01:46 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Personally I'd like to see all of the pre-election polls |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 02:14 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. A 10 point lead |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 03:18 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Isn't it also possible that 51,000 people in Georgia... |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 03:37 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Yes, it is possible |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 03:42 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Look I'm all for paper ballots |
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EndElectoral (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
65. Makes you wonder does it matter who's nominated? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
68. My editing period had expired |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 03:05 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Mistakes happen |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 03:30 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. thank you, kind sir/madam |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 03:56 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. what kind of voting machines did they use in IL in 2002? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 04:50 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Well, I did a cursory Google search for you. |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 05:08 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Let's stay with Illinois |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 06:05 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Right, Illinois |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 06:21 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. are DREs and optical scans equivalent, in your opinion? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 06:31 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. the optical scanners are hackable. |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 06:38 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. can you make the optical scanners provide transparency? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 06:09 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Hello, Cocoa |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-11-05 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
82. I'd be careful poo-pooing the notion that e-voting is dangerous. |
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