List of DINOS

[invictus]

Is there an unofficial list of DINO politicians? If not, can we make one? Who are the DINOs?

[...of J.Temperance]

1. What is this? A flamebait post?

What's your point EXACTLY? Eh?

Why not start a POSITIVE thread? Why do you WANT another thread that's SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED to INCITE the BASHING of DEMOCRATS?

[invictus]

41. Not flamebait

I was under the impression that this forum is for inter-Democratic Party debate. I simply wanted to know which politicians my fellow Democrats believe best exemplify the ideals of the party. If you don't like my thread, get out and ignore it. No one ask you and the others to come here and spam it.

[...of J.Temperance]

48. So, let me understand this new term

"inter-Democratic Party debate", so that's what the new term for bashing ANY Democrat that you don't agree 100% with.

Spamming? Ha! I had a thread pointing out that Hillary Clinton WAS a DEMOCRAT...and a very popular thread it was, it got 37 votes...and we had to put up with the Hillary bashers in that thread...

If someone starts a flame throwing thread, yeah, too right DEMOCRATS are going to invade that thread and DEFEND DEMOCRATS.

You don't like THAT...tough.

[...of J.Temperance]

50. I should add, the title of your thread could have had a better title

Instead of "Hey lets have a list of DINO'S"

Which is an inflammatory title. You could have had a title such as, in your own words from your second comment:

"Who in the Democratic Party best exemplifies Democratic values?"

Which is a non-inflammatory title, and it also asks a solid question.

[MrBenchley]

67. Wow...no even close to true...

"I simply wanted to know which politicians my fellow Democrats believe best exemplify the ideals of the party."
No, you didn't. If you had, you'd have asked THAT.

"If you don't like my thread, get out and ignore it."
Have some one explain to you how a forum works.

[skipos]

2. And while you are making that list

I'd like to know which republicans, overall, are better for America than those dinos.
Is Chaffe better for America than Lieberman? Zell? Hillary? What do DUers think?

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[skipos]

6. OK. nt

[...of J.Temperance]

7. Hey

:toast:

[skipos]

9. Hey ya!

:toast:

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[AntiCoup2K4]

10. For a list of DINOS....

...see www.dlc.org :puke:

[DaveinMD]

11. So

Al Gore was a DINO. And President Clinton too.

[AntiCoup2K4]

13. Well, the PMRC wasn't exactly what I would call "progressive"

But Al & Tipper have come a long way since then.

As for Bill Clinton, they say a picture speaks a thousand words.....

...and unfortunately there's a lot of pictures of these two "close friends" going around.

[...of J.Temperance]

15. Stop THIS...this has GOT to stop...EATING OUR OWN DOES NOT HELP

Eating our own only ONLY helps the Fascist Repukes.

When are people going to learn that this ONLY helps the Fascist Repukes?

[AntiCoup2K4]

18. Anyone who votes for the PNAC agenda IS a Fascist Repuke.

Lieberman has kissed so much Likud ass that he's rumored to be Rummy's replacement!

How many true Democrats would you hear a rumor like that about?

[...of J.Temperance]

24. I've alerted the GD Moderators to THIS thread...okay

Do you have a problem with reading ability? I think you might have...read my other posts:

ZELL HOLY JOE BEN NELSON = DINO'S END OF.

I ALREADY mentioned fucking LIEBERMAN three times ALREADY...so there was no need for your response. I'm NOT stupid.

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[...of J.Temperance]

31. No, I'm not going to explain anything to you

And that's it.

[AntiCoup2K4]

33. So you can't defend her hideous voting record?

Well, neither can she, so I guess I can't blame you for that. But she's one of the worst examples of a DINO. Hell, Mary makes Hillary look liberal by comparison. Even this week.

[...of J.Temperance]

37. Senator Landrieu is 100% BETTER than what her Extreme Right-Wing

Full-On Repuke replacement would be.

I'm sorry, I'm not into cutting off my nose to spite my face. If I agree with one of our Democrats on just 60% of the issues...then I'll TAKE that 60% that I agree with them on.

Their 60% is going to be a darn sight BETTER than a Repuke alternative with which I'd DISAGREE on 100% of the issues with.

[...of J.Temperance]

14. Don't ANSWER...don't KEEP this thread going...PLEASE!

You think the same as I think, the same as Skipos thinks and THOUSANDS of others...please don't take the bait.

Think of OUR party and whats best for it.

[leftstreet]

21. Would you say this if you were a Republican...

...and moderate Repubs were speaking out against the Christian fundamentalists within their party?

At what price unity?

[...of J.Temperance]

30. Why are these comparisons always so bizarre and over-the-top?

The Repuke party are now FULL-ON Fascists, the Fundies are COMPLETELY batshit crazy and dangerous with it...together they want a Theocracy.

So yes, we should ENCOURAGE moderate Repukes to BASH the fucking nutjobs in their own party, because those nutjobs are currently running the damn show.

We've not got the luxury to do this, we're NOT IN POWER...and if we keep having people eating our own, I'm telling you, we're never going to get back in power either.

We NEED UNITY...just ignore Holy Joe and Ben Nelson...IGNORE them, who else is listening to them except the ones that keep harping on about them?

IGNORE them, they're IRRELEVANT.

And let's discuss what UNITES us, we have MANY things that we agree on, lets concentrate on those things.

UNITED we WIN...DIVIDED we FALL.

[leftstreet]

54. Good grief. Politicians aren't running the show - corporations are.

We can't get "united" behind ANY corporate apologists.

[AntiCoup2K4]

22. What's best for our party is EXACTLY what I'm thinking about.

And what is best for the Democratic party is to cut out this corporatist foreign interest dominated CANCER known as the DLC.

[...of J.Temperance]

32. They have as much right to be in the party as does Dennis Kucinich

They also raise money for Democratic candidates across the country.

Oh and by the way HOWARD DEAN is DLC, Business Week magazine in 2003 even called Howard Dean "a Rockefeller Republican"...so maybe you could answer that?

[AntiCoup2K4]

36. Wow, you think "BUSINESS WEEK" magazine might serve someone's agenda??

Howard Dean has openly referred to himself - in the past tense - as a Rockefeller Republican. Big surprise there, he has relatives on Wall Street. But he chose a different life for himself, that of a doctor in a rural state. And yes, he WAS in the DLC, as Al Gore once was. But he didn't like what it turned into.

Nobody in their right mind would.

[...of J.Temperance]

39. Well Howard Dean was your candidate n/t

[AntiCoup2K4]

40. Yes, he was. And he will be again, if he runs in 2008

And with all this talk about the DLC trying to force him out of the DNC chair, it just may happen after all.

I guarantee you that if he had been elected 13 months ago, that this country would have been well on the road to recovery from Chimp and PNAC.

Some times it just takes a Doctor to heal.

[...of J.Temperance]

44. I notice that you didn't

Answer the other part of my comments...you just went into the bashing of the Democratic Party accepting MONEY with which it uses to survive and run campaigns.

What about my other comments about olive branches and building a concensus around WHAT we AGREE on and NOT babbling on about what DIVIDES us:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2302895#2303023

People like me are trying to HELP the party and bring ALL sections of the party TOGETHER for the purpose of our common goal...so WHY won't you respond, why did you IGNORE that part of my comments?

[AntiCoup2K4]

49. There is no "unity" with some of these people.

For years, these DLC DINOS have sold this party AND this country out to corporatists and foreign interests such as AIPAC/PNAC/Likud (three divisions of the same thing) And then, when some Democrats finally show a spine against the Chimp and against this agenda, the DLC DINOS attack them.

I can work with those who are truly moderates. I will NOT accept traitors. And I will not let them steal this party.

[...of J.Temperance]

51. I'm a moderate

I hate AIPAC/PNAC/Likud...the only AIPAC/PNAC/Likud assholes that I see in our party is Holy Joe and Ben Nelson.

You can't write off a quarter of the party, what we're talking about is a handful of imbeciles who seem to be in the WRONG party.

[bvar22]

72. Ever notice....

that when the right-wingers (Dem OR Repub) start screaming for "UNITY", its ALWAYS US that are supposed to unite behind THEM. Same thing when they start throwing around the word "COMPROMISE". They ALWAYS demand that WE give up something to help their Anti-LABOR cause. It NEVER goes the other way for the right wingers (Dem OR Repub).

[JNelson6563]

63. You've kicked it more than anyone

:shrug:

[Neil Lisst]

19. It'd be easier to list those who aren't DINOs.

There's what, about ten?

Waxman, uh, Kucinich ... help me out here

If you run as a Democrat and get elected as a Democrat, you're a bona fide Democrat, whether anyone else is or not.

[MrBenchley]

66. Pretty much every Democrat you've ever heard of is, according to some

in the "Progressive Purity" crowd.

If you want an interesting experiment, and you can use advanced search, take one of these guys like our friend here, pull up the posts he's made, and see how far you have to go in the results before you find one NOT attacking a Democrat. (I won't say praising a Democrat, for what will become obvious reasons).

[Arugula Latte]

75. Al Gore was quite a conservative Dem. for a long time.

He's gotten more liberal post-election.

[...of J.Temperance]

12. Didn't I say NOT to feed THEM?

Can't you see what I was doing by posting about French food and "Syriana"?

The Repukes LOVE this bashing SO STOP IT!! NOW!!

[AntiCoup2K4]

Calling out DINO's has nothing to do with "feeding Repukes"

If we didn't have DINO's siding with those bastards in the first place, this country wouldn't be in the fucked up shape it's in right now. I'm sick of excusing them while they kill this party.

[...of J.Temperance]

23. I'm sick of THREADS like THIS one and so are OTHER people

Flame bait thats all it is.

ZELL MILLER HOLY JOE BEN NELSON, there's the DINO'S...THEY are the ONLY DINO'S...END OF.

So what's there left to discuss? Nada, thats what.

There's COUNTLESS others threads that are ongoing right now...why don't we go and get involved with one of those threads?

Instead of keeping a FLAME BAIT thread that was started by someone with 20 posts going?

See the one that started this thread...where are they now? I'll tell you where, sitting back laughing because YOU took their BAIT.

I'm trying to KILL this thread...I'm not going to feed it. It would have been killed IF you hadn't have took the bait.

Learn, please, I beg you to.

[AntiCoup2K4]

27. It took more than three DINO votes to give Chimp his war

It took more than three DINO votes to pass that horrid bankruptcy bill.

It took three DINO votes to rape ANWR, but they aren't the three you listed.

It took more than three DINO's to confirm John Roberts, a life long Bush Criminal Empire operative with a total of TWO FUCKING YEARS as a judge to be Chief Justice for life.

How many DINO's will confirm Scalito?

And as you well know, the DINO's have done many many more rephrensible things since that fucking monkey hijacked the White House.

WHY do you defend them??

[...of J.Temperance]

35. Here read this...

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_32/b3845084.htm

I try and have a pragmatic discussion with people like you, I really do. I've EVEN offered people like you an olive branch and asked for us to join forces and meet each other half way and try and work on the MANY things that we AGREE on...and to try and do this for the BEST of the Democratic Party.

I've tried to get a concensus going for whats in the BEST interest of our party...and I've failed.

Mainstream Democratic values are the way to win.

[AntiCoup2K4]

38. What in the best interest of the Democratic Party is to return it to ....

....the PEOPLE. Not the corporations. The DLC is all about corporate money, but corporate money brings with it expected corporate favors. And we have seen what favoring corporations has given us in the last decade or so. Various forms of deregulation (backed by the DLC) have given us Enron, FAUX News, Clear Channel AOLTimeCNNWarner, $3/gallon gas, NAFTA/CAFTA/SHAFTA and many other abominations that have and continue to rip this country apart.

Democrats should not be supporting this heresy. Let alone a war that is bankrupting this country and killing over 2100 Americans for no reason.

[...of J.Temperance]

42. So how would you suggest that we raise money then?

We NEED corporate money because thats BIG money. If we cut that money, how would you suggest that we raise $200 million or $300 million?

What, lemonade stands? Selling peanuts?

How on earth are we expected to compete FINANCIALLY with the Repukes if we don't accept corporate money.

Money helps our candidates buy ads, make ads, set up a campaign HQ, pay campaign staff, pay travel expenses et al.

Iraq has contributed to bankrupting the country, but the MAIN reasons for the bankruptcy are TRILLION dollar tax cuts and running half a TRILLION dollar deficits each year...we're spending more than we're bringing in...the National Debt is $8 TRILLION dollars.

Yes, we could have done without the Iraq disaster and orgy of murder that Bush Inc. started and yes it's expensive.

But the tax cuts and the deficits are whats killing the economy.

On Edit: Spelling error.

[AntiCoup2K4]

47. You mean you forgot about THE BAT??

One of the most effective fundraisers in history.

[TankLV]

45. I think they can be very useful.

No need to waste time, money and resources on those who sell out and CRITICIZE OTHER DEMOCRATS like these "dinos".

If we can identify them and marginalize and STARVE THEM, it will be for the BETTERMENT OF THE PARTY.

[rman]

58. stop telling us what to do, dude.

people would LOVE to know the true colors of their reps.

[mmonk]

60. Well said

How many times do we in essence vote against ourselves (our own interests)? Those ignorant of fact shoot themselves and the things they believe in with some of these representatives.

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[fedupinBushcountry]

20. I don't know

probably, Birds, was that his.

The heck with Hitchcock, right now you are my favorite DU'er, a voice of reason. :thumbsup:

[...of J.Temperance]

28. They will NOT listen, they are going to DESTROY our party

They REFUSE to pull together, they INSIST on bashing bashing bashing ANYONE that DOESN'T agree with them 100% of the time.

You know a few weeks ago, I wrote that when we're UNITED we win...when we're DIVIDED we lose...I wrote that we have distractors who want to fan flames and DIVIDE us...I wrote that we must RESIST them and MOVE FORWARD as a UNITED unit.

The OP threw the rock and has run off...this thread would have been killed, had two people not have taken the OP bait. When are people going to learn?

I like "The Birds", I even like the scene where the stuffed love birds are in the cage and in the car and the car goes around the corner, and the birds lean the same way that the cars going!

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[jonnyblitz]

61. apparently only your DLC heros are allowed to bash DEMS

according to you. We MIGHT pull together if these assholes you champion would shut the FUCK up and stop bashing everybody on our side who speaks the TRUTH. THE ONES YOU CHEERLEAD FOR ARE THE ONES DOING THE BASHING and we are on the defense. get a fucking clue already.

[paulk]

76. the purpose of many of these posters

is to destroy our party.


and then the masses will rise up and put the Greens into power.

[skipos]

25. Notorious was great.

I think Northwestern was a bit overrated. I know I am in the minority on that one.

[terrya]

70. "North by Northwest" is my favorite.

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[skipos]

26. I actually tried to learn how to count cards

for awhile. I got OK at it, but as soon as I got a complicated hand with lots of splitting and doubling down, I would lose the count.

[bvar22]

34. Hang around for a while.

Watch C-Span coverage of improtant votes.
Look up the voting records, especially on Economic Issues.
You will see the same faces and hear the same names crossing over to help the Republicans implement THEIR OneWorld Corporate Dominance. Don't focus on just ONE vote, but on trends.
Check out the records here:
http://patrickhenrythinktank.org/


The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those who
advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

In EVERY case, "Barriers to Trade" and "Restrictions on Corporations" were created to protect something valuable!

[MrBenchley]

68. Or look at the other threads screaming about the DLC and DINOS and such

It's not like there's any fucking shortage of them.

When you do, notice how many times the "DINO" who must be "purged from our party" for the "Democratic ideal" who is attacked by name is:
--A prominent elected Democrat in a blue state who is up for re-election in 2006, AND
--A prominent elected Democrat in a blue state up for re-election in 2006 who is beating their Republican opponent like a drum to the point that re-election is all but certain...

Funny coinicidence, that.....

[bvar22]

71. Like your other playmates,

you seem to have a problem with:

a) observing our represenatives at work (Watch CSPAN)

b) Examining voting records

c) Firing those who vote against our interests

I don't care if someone is DLC or not, but if ANY Represenative or Senator is voting or supporting ANTI-LABOR (PRO-CORPORATE WAR) issues, they won't be getting my vote no matter how loud YOU scream that I'M the one ruining the Democratic Party! THEY are my enemy and I will work to defeat them, Democrat OR Republican.




The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

In EVERY case, "Barriers to Trade" and "Restrictions on Corporations" were created to protect something valuable!

[MrBenchley]

74. The views are breathtaking as far from reality as you are.

"if ANY Represenative or Senator is voting or supporting ANTI-LABOR (PRO-CORPORATE WAR) issues, they won't be getting my vote no matter how loud YOU scream that I'M the one ruining the Democratic Party!"
Which is why I started all those threads demanding that progressives be driven out because they're ruining the party...oh wait, all those threads are by progressives like you, demanding Democrats YOU disagree with get driven out. My bad.

"THEY are my enemy and I will work to defeat them, Democrat OR Republican."
You know, there's a political party called the Greens that's untainted by corporate money, pro-business influences, DLCers or any of those other things you hate. Perhaps you'd be happier there.

Of course, they're toxic to voters and don't seem to be anything other than a GOP dirty tirck...but other than that they're just ducky.

Failing that, there actually is an organization of progressive Democrats whose programs and events you could support. You could also tell us what they believe and promote their candidacies and that way do something positive about the outcome you wish.

Funny thing though....when there's a thread about them on DU once in a blue moon it sinks like a rock.

Funnier still, I bet you can't name them without Google.

Funniest of all, a quick use of the "Search" function finds that they've been mentioned only ONCE since January of this year--and that in a thread that's inventing some grand conspiracy by the "desperate" DLC to counteract their mighty influence in the party (snicker)...

[Don1]

43. Here's the list.

Senator DiNOs
Baucus, Max (DLC and bad voting record)
Bayh, Evan (DLC and bad voting record)
Byrd, Robert (bad voting record)
Carper, Thomas (DLC and bad voting record)
Conrad, Kent (DLC and bad voting record)
Landrieu, Mary (DLC and bad voting record)
Lieberman, Joseph (DLC and bad voting record)
Lincoln, Blanche (DLC and bad voting record)
Nelson, Ben (DLC and bad voting record)
Pryor, Mark (DLC and bad voting record)
Salazar, Ken (bad voting record)

Representative DiNOs
Berry, Marion (Blue Dog and bad voting record)
Bishop, Sanford D. Jr. (Blue Dog and bad voting record)
Boren, Dan (Blue Dog and bad voting record)
Boswell, Leonard L. (Blue Dog and bad voting record)
Boyd, Allen (Blue Dog and bad voting record)
Cooper, Jim (Blue Dog and bad voting record)
Costa, Jim (Blue Dog and bad voting record)
Cramer, Robert E. Jr. (Blue Dog and bad voting record)
Cuellar, Henry (bad voting record)
Davis, Lincoln (Blue Dog and bad voting record)
Edwards, Chet (bad voting record)
Gordon, Bart (bad voting record)
Herseth, Stephanie (Blue Dog, DLC, and bad voting record)
Holden, Tim (Blue Dog and bad voting record)
Marshall, Jim (bad voting record)
Matheson, Jim (Blue Dog and bad voting record)
McIntyre, Mike (Blue Dog, DLC, and bad voting record)
Melancon, Charlie (Blue Dog and bad voting record)
Mollohan, Alan B. (bad voting record)
Ortiz, Solomon P. (bad voting record)
Peterson, Collin C. (Blue Dog and bad voting record)
Ross, Mike (Blue Dog and bad voting record)
Scott, David (Blue Dog, DLC, and bad voting record)
Skelton, Ike (bad voting record)
Tanner, John S. (Blue Dog and bad voting record)
Taylor, Gene (Blue Doh and bad voting record)

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[Don1]

62. It's a typo.

It was after 1am in the morning and I was typing "Blue Dog" 19 times. Yeah, once I typed Blue Doh. So what?

Don't call me a freeper. The only freepers around here are the DiNOs who attend Republican conventions like Zell Miller. And the Liebermans who attend the National Review 50th anniversary. And the bastards above who voted for things like the Bankruptcy bill, give pro-war support to Bush, and refuse to filibuster a nominee like Alberto Gonzalez.

Anyone who supports these guys is a Republicrat and does not belong in a progressive forum like DU.

[Nutmegger]

53. Thanks Don1!

:thumbsup:

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[AntiCoup2K4]

56. And you remember what happenned to those DINOS, right?

They went extinct after they caved in to the "WeSaySo Corporation" one too many times :(

[New Earth]

59. LOLOL

:rofl:

[rman]

57. That must be a record of thread high-jack attempts

by one poster in one thread.

At least it keeps the thread kicked.

[JNelson6563]

64. and record high bandwidth waste

I can't believe the crap they leave up at DU anymore. GD Politics has become Lounge 2.0

[MrBenchley]

65. Let's see....

To start with, there's the humhole from the Green party who switched over to run against Hillary Clinton in New York as a "Democrat" (mostly because the words "Green party" are toxic to voters in New York state, for good reason).

Don't get much more DINO than that.

[terrya]

69. It's really cold in Chicago this morning. Brrrrrrrrrr!

So, I went out to get some dry cleaing...thinking that maybe the temperature might be a little warmer today. And...man, what with the wind, it must be no more than 20 out there today. Brrrrrrrr! I have a feeling this is going to be a bad winter.

[Don1]

73. I moved the list to the following thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2303592

[The Magistrate]

77. Locking

Flame-bait, and Damned successful flame-bait too....