Back to the same old, same old. Guess enough Democrats got to Dean.

[madfloridian]

I did not hear the interview, but I gather it was something he had to do.

He got death threats from Mancow and Mike Reagan, he got attacks from the Democrats in about equal amounts with the GOP.

None of the blogosphere took a stand with him other than just mentioning it casually in a sentence or two.

Congratulations seem to be in order for the old guard..we just appeared to take two steps backwards.

We have no one on our side who will defend the truth, no bloggers, no forums, no one claiming to be Democratic really took a stand and said Dean is right. Well, I heard Franken saying it sort of last night while be blasted by Scarborough. He said Dean was right.

Now I see why no one bothers. He was left swinging without a basis of support.

[acmejack]

1. The will of the people counts for nothing in this so called democracy.

[madfloridian]

2. Where was our lefty media on the internet?

We don't have any in real life, but on the internet we have well-known bloggers. They chose not to take a stand.

[MrBenchley]

3. Alas, none are pure enough to stand with thee....

By the way, it IS all a conspiracy and everyone else is in on it, including me.

"we just appeared to take two steps backwards"
Actually we started moving forward again...and we wouldn't have had to stumble at all had Dr. Dean actually thought before he opened his cakehole.

[madfloridian]

5. Winners who gloat are real truly more like losers.

Enjoy your little war, Benchley. Enjoy the massive tax cuts.

[MrBenchley]

14. There's no winner....least of all me

I haven't won because you've got a new conspiracy theory that is as silly as the previous ones.

I haven't won because you decided this was the perfect opportunity to bash Democrats again.

I haven't won because Dr. Dean has to waste precious time backtracking and explaining now what he should have said then.

I haven't won because Democratic candidates are going to be bedeviled for years to come by their opponents using Dean's soundbite.

I haven't won because once again the image of all Democrats as wishywashy weaklings, who say one thing one day and the other the next, was reinforced by this unfortunate misstep.

And I sure haven't won because you're dishonestly trying to paint your fellow Democrats as war supporters using innuendo and smear tactics again.

[madfloridian]

19. Go ahead with what you have to say.

It is time for truth, no more spin, no more nice talking. Our country is in its own little war here, I fear.

And yes, many of our Democrats are in name only...or we would not be in the war. We would not have that horrible bankruptcy bill, and we would not be facing the disaster that is CAFTA.

[MrBenchley]

22. "It is time for truth"

That IS rich.

[jackbourassa]

36. What did Dean say that was so wrong?

That the war could not be won? Maybe Benchley has to stop believing that the way to power in this country is through the DC establishment and its cronies and come to realize that a growing majority of Americans agree that the war was wrong, that it is becoming increasingly difficult (if not impossible) to "win," and that we've probably bitten off more than we can chew there.

The only thing that makes you weak Benchley is the fact that you feel the only way to be "percieved" as strong is to follow the GOP line. For that you, and your beloved DC establishment, will always be viewed as weak. A follower. A leader must lead. He must speak the truth, even when others disagree with him or disparage him. Everyone thought Churchill was a nut. Everyone thought Reagan was a nut. Everyone thought Truman was a nut. Yet, these men stood by their convinctions, they didn't abide by what the establishment of their respective countries, in their respective times, thought. They stood up for what they believed to be right. In the end, they prevailed. History show them all as men of vision and substance. Dean, and others who support him, have done the exact same thing. That to me is a sign of strength. Damn you, and the establishment.

Thus, your position on Iraq comes from a position of weakness, not from your strength. Because you are afraid the establishment will call you out on being weak, so you parrot their line.

One more thing: Why is it that the ones I keep hearing attacking Dean and the Democrats (on being weak) ARE THE DC ESTABLISHMENT!!!! More specifically the Washington Democrats. DLC, et al.

Nice.

[madfloridian]

7. Your remarks are getting to where they reflect badly on you.

You have your war, we are not going to leave, and you won.
Congratulations...money talks and money wins.

[MrBenchley]

21. Wow...not nearly as badly as yours do of you

"Congratulations...money talks and money wins."
So now are you inferring that Howard. Dean was bribed?

[Voltaire]

18. As they will not back those who tell the truth

Then they are NOT pure enough. Polling and parsing is no excuse to not back ANYONE who is willing to face the Devil and tell the truth. That goes for Democrats too. But I guess you and they know better than the rest of us, right?

[MrBenchley]

23. Yeah, that's what we're all striving for ..."purity"

[dionysus]

27. you do know you're very rude and sound just like a republican

all you do is bait fellow dems, and insult them. Why are you here, to boost your tiny little ego?

[MrBenchley]

31. Geeze, that IS rich....

I think someone accusing Democrats ON THE BASIS OF NO EVIDENCE of forcing Dean to do something against his will (or bribing him--the silliness wanders all over the place) is pretty goddamn insulting, myself.

But then I am a Democrat.

[spindrifter]

4. Being an elected

turns one into a whole different subspecies. They see themselves as part of the "institution." They do not respond to the groundswell of opinion--until too late. They are not leaders, is the problem. They are people trying to protect their positions of power. Maybe when they realize the money doesn't have to go to them they will understand that people can vote with the cash card.

[madfloridian]

6. It is too late.

It is already too late.

[MoJoWorkin]

8. Others here on DU who saw it seemed to have a different take,,,,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5544518

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2298853

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5544444

I didn't see it either,Madfloridian, but I am SOOOO tired of criticism of the good Dr. --he says what he thinks and I am glad.

[madfloridian]

9. I hope you are right....but no one backed him up at all.

BTW the 2nd link is not positive.

[MoJoWorkin]

12. I thought a comment on second link was, sorry if I did it too quickly

[MoJoWorkin]

13. No, the thread title was not complimentary, but comments within were

[rodeodance]

10. I heard Dean talk on cnn this morning. His sounded very very much like

Murtha. Good for him.

[rodeodance]

11. see this DU discussion this morning. Dean did good in my opinion.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2298853

[MrBenchley]

15. The credibility comment was excellent, I thought.

I think it's a good recovery for his gaffe the other day, but I stil wish he hadn't said that.

[dpbrown]

16. Dean was right

I'll say it. Iraq can't be successfully occupied. We can't win against a local insurgency. The United States will be slowly decimated in Iraq.

[DemCam]

17. Did you hear Harold Ford on Ed Schultze yesterday?

He flat-out said Dean was wrong. The Dems even had to go to closed doors over this yesterday, but there was Murtha out there yesterday swinging and no one paying much attention. ...and Pelosi said the same thing. Has our party abandoned them? Do they know something?

And then there's a great big old "Yerrrrrgggghhhh" cartoon in my morning paper.

There was so much happening there for a while, but then it seems the air is starting to go out of our momentum...and seep into Bush's approval ratings. I think those who are saying that the "campaign mode" works

[madfloridian]

20. Transcript from the DNC...you decide.

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=57815

My take is that he was pressured to do this. It is our loss if that is true.

[radio4progressives]

24. Dubya was the first to say "We can't Win the War' in 2004

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/31/politics/campaign/31bush.html?ei=5090&en=b257721394890931&ex=1251691200&adxnnl=1&partner=rssuserland&adxnnlx=1133896668-y+cvuHYc9w0+vgVJg3qZ9g


it's really too bad that this fact has not been amplified in the MSM, but it has been highlighted in the "blogosphere", at least here in the DU....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5527024

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5531488

[MrBenchley]

25. THERE's an ace to draw to!

Yes, we could have had a party chairman almost as stumble-tongued and clueless as pResident Duh...but Dean recanted and decided to make sense again.

[radio4progressives]

26. Take your slimy evil war and shove it where the sun don't shine Mr B.

[MrBenchley]

28. Would that be the war Dean says we can win?

[madfloridian]

32. I just put the video up. You are working overtime.

.

[MrBenchley]

33. So was Dean bribed or threatened by e-e-evil Democrats?

You've hinted at both possibilities.

Or are you just going to mutter innuendo-laden silly questions that amount to vague attacks on the party?

[NoPasaran]

29. Remember a couple of years ago

When Saddam was captured and Dean said that the US was no safer, the war was no closer to be being over... The reaction, from both Dems and wingnuts was so ferocious you'd think Dean had bitten the head off a kitten.

Today, of course, I don't think that anyone not in the regime (or one of their hired asskissers) would argue that what Dean said then was true. And in a year or so it will be clear to all who want to see that Dean is right again, this war cannot be won.

[madfloridian]

30. I just put up the CNN video link.

The video sounds like the old fighting Dean, while the transcript does not.

Yeh, I rememeber that statement...the old "spider hole of denial" and the "he is not fit to be president".

Then a year later....well, never mind.

Video.
http://www.cnn.com/video/

[PassingFair]

35. You think THAT reaction was bad... remember when Dean said...

that he would take a more "even-handed" approach regarding the Israeli/Palestinian situation!
Jeebus! THERE was a ruckus!

[AX10]

34. The damn DLC strikes again.

:eyes:

[NoFederales]

37. Dean is correct; if you don't get it, STFU

NoFederales

[Kahuna]

38. "Two steps?" WRONGO. We just got set back 40 years, thanks

to your precious Howard Dean.

[NYCGirl]

39. Double wrongo. The GOP has put itself into big problem. There's no way

now they can end this war and save face, if they portray people against the war as cowardly. Iraq is just going to continue to spiral out of control, and the other 40% of the country who still backs this occupation will turn against it. 2006 just got lots more competitive.