Clinton / Lieberman 2008! That’s the Winning Ticket!

[David Zephyr]

According to the conventional wisdom of the Democratic Leadership Council, Al From and a good many Dixiecrats, the way for our Party to win elections is to move to the “center” of the political spectrum. Yes, to win, we are told over and over, we must put aside our differences as Democrats. We must, at all costs, unite and avoid being side-tracked by “divisive” issues like fighting over the illegality of the war in Iraq or whether we should continue to go along with Bush’s “stay the course plan” or becoming entangled with internal arguments about such “non-starter” concerns like promoting a single-payer national healthcare plan for universal coverage. Nah! Unity is what we need.

Today, we read where many of our Democrats in Congress “fear” that the “anti-war rhetoric” by a few outspoken liberals within our Party will “backfire” against them in 2006. The subterfuge is becoming a daily drumbeat: maybe Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and John Murtha had better shut up and act our two former darlings of courage, Dick Gephardt and Tom Daschle.

If the Patriot Act is bothering you and if you are still fuming over the fact that a lot of members of our own Party voted for it, well just get the hell over it, OK? Good grief! How long are you going to wear that cross? What’s a few civil liberties and habeas corpus really have to do with anything important?

If an orchestrated assault against our nation’s historical “wall of separation of between church and state” bothers you, snap out of it! Who do you think you are anyway? Thomas Jefferson or James Madison? They are dead and Jesus said, “Let the dead bury the dead, come and follow me!” You liberal Democrats better get right with God and listen to Senator Joseph Lieberman who knows a thing or two about the man upstairs which is why he has been so supportive of George Bush’s “Faith Based Initiatives”. And quit calling him “Holy Joe”. That’s not going to win the Bible Belt for us! Whose side are you on?

Let’s all just try to get along, OK? Listen, we can’t do anything about Howard Dean being our Chair, but we’d better all remember that it is only Bill Clinton who really knows how to win elections and its his lead we should all be following.

I know, I know that a lot of well-intentioned liberals got all excited when Congressman John Murtha called on the President to begin pulling our troops out of Iraq and called the war a mistake and a war that we could not win. But Senator Hillary Clinton put Murtha in his place within hours of his making that divisive statement. Hillary made it plain and clear that Murtha doesn’t speak for the Democratic Party and that while she disagrees with President Bush about staying the course in Iraq that she feels that it is important that we stay the course in Iraq.

So let’s just all get over our self-righteous selves and suck in our little concerns about poverty, war, healthcare, children, civil rights, civil liberties and the national debt! We have to “move to the middle” folks. Of course, I understand that the middle is a lot more conservative than it has been in ages, but that’s where victory surely must lie and it also doesn’t require any courage to go there. Not an ounce.

So get with it! We’ve got an election coming up in 2008 and we need to be united. I have been to the top of the mountain that the DLC has shown me and we have a sure-fire winning ticket for 2008: Clinton / Lieberman!

[Oceansaway]

1. Ugh

[AX10]

2. Clark/Dean vs. Lieberman/Clinton

Clark/Dean wins hands down!

[tk2kewl]

45. Gore / Clark

:thumbsup:

[KamaAina]

3. Yes it is... for the repukes

:puke: :puke: :puke:

Check out the regional balance, too. :sarcasm:

[WI_DEM]

4. That ticket would cause hundreds of thousands perhaps

millions of progressives to vote Green or some other third party. Fortunately it won't happen. Oh we might end up with Hillary, but she wouldn't be stupid enough to pick Lieberman.

[MellowOne]

5. They want to hand the repubs as easy victory, right? n/t

[Cooley Hurd]

42. That might be the DLC's ultimate plan...

Hmmm... *scratches chin*

[xchrom]

6. Hillary made it plain and clear that Murtha doesn’t speak for the Democrat

that while she disagrees with President Bush about staying the course in Iraq that she feels that it is important that we stay the course in Iraq.


that is hysterical!

[David Zephyr]

7. Thanks.

;)

[Laurab]

58. I thought so, too

you've got a way with words...very well written!

[FormerRepublican]

8. Hillary is hated on both the left AND the right.

I don't see that ticket going anywhere except into the dust bin, where it belongs.

[wryter2000]

21. Exactly!

I don't know where the "she's electable" meme comes from. Even if I wanted her as president...

1) A huge number of heads spin on shoulders whenever they hear the name "Clinton." It's not fair. She didn't sleep with anyone but Bill, but it's a fact. She's not going to pull moderate Republicans anywhere.

2) Unless I've been time-warped into the next millennium, there's still considerable bias against women in high places. Being a woman is a double jinx. As a woman, I hate that fact, but it's true.

She's not our most electable candidate by a very long shot.

[bahrbearian]

9. I don't think the GOP can win with that ticket either.

[pinto]

10. You've got some points, but they're lost in this trash of a post....

[skylarmae]

11. NO NO NO NO NO - Are you just trying to give me heart failure?

Have you not learned your lessons yet????? IMHO, of course...

[David Zephyr]

12. And that's another thing! We Democrats have too much "heart"!

Heart is for softies! You have a heart? ;-)

[radio4progressives]

13. You'll be greeted with many accolades by MrBenchley and his cohorts

by the way, this is really a great piece of satire - it really does need to be published... i hope you send it out far and wide...

[David Zephyr]

20. Thanks!

Gee, I thought that the DLC crowd would just love this. Isn't it what they want? Think they might "nominate" it?;-)

[IndianaGreen]

14. I don't know what you are on, David, but send me some!

Rolling one right now!

:smoke:

PS: the sad part is that there are those that truly take what you said as Gospel, and they are very angry at those of us that still think for ourselves.

[David Zephyr]

15. Hey Girlfriend!

;-)

[IndianaGreen]

17. Hey, back!

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

Happy Holidays to you and C.

IG

[David Zephyr]

25. Happy Holidays!?

I love ya, too, IG. But even though you are Jewish, don't you think that you could just tone down the "holiday" talk a bit, maybe and compromise everything about who you are and just say "Merry Christmas" so that we Democrats won't have to upset the fundamentalist Christians whose votes we are going to need in 2008? Could you do it for the Party? ;-)

[NanceGreggs]

16. If the Democratic Party wants to see 'backfiring' ...

... please push the Hillster for '08.

With everything going on in this country -- torture, war, outsourcing of jobs, etc., Hill thinks the most pressing problems facing the country are violent video games and flag burning.

I have a great deal of respect for Hillary. But she's not 'prez' material, and she keeps confirming the fact that she is completely out-of-touch with the issues facing the country, and the Party.

As for Lieberman -- a man who always thinks the BEST opinion he's heard is the LAST opinion he's heard -- I'm not saying he's completely malleable and easily manipulated, but if elected, he'd be our first Clay-mation President!

[IndianaGreen]

18. "Our first Clay-mation President"

Ouch! And quite true too!

[David Zephyr]

24. Flag burning! How could I ever have forgotten that critical issue?

And thanks for pointing out how bravely Hillary has now championed that critical issue on behalf of our Party. Thanks, NanceGreggs!;-)

[radio4progressives]

35. ROFLMAO! - I needed that! How come all the DLC'rs arn't commenting here?

I wonder! bwwwaaaaaaaahh...

[AntiCoup2K4]

67. They don't want to admit that their dream ticket has been exposed

They were trying to keep the lid on Hillary/HolyJoe until after the mid-terms. Big Al has ordered them not to confirm nor deny the story.

[wryter2000]

19. Well done!

You captured their BS beautifully. :applause:

[David Zephyr]

33. Unity! Forward! Move to the Middle!

Thanks. :)

[katamaran]

22. Shhh! Don't give them any ideas!!!

[EndElectoral]

23. The DLC needs to disband after that recommendation...

[longship]

26. Guaranteed winning ticket for the Repugs.

When there is no substantial difference between an incumbent candidate and the opposition on the most important issues before the voters, the incumbent wins.

This is a long standing maxim of politics. If there is one thing we can state right now about a Clinton/Lieberman ticket in 2008, it's that they will most likely lose. In fact, if I were wanting to guarantee that the Repugs will stay in power in the White House, I couldn't think of a better Dem ticket to accomplish that.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

59. That is so true

The 2000 election became close enough to steal when Gore kept saying essentially "me too only not as much" to everything Bush said.

The 2004 election became close enough to steal when Kerry couldn't give a satisfactory answer about why he voted for the Iraq invasion.

[stray cat]

27. Lieberman has no charisma

but there are plenty of other good people to choose from and if they get the nomination they will certainly have my vote.

[Little Star]

28. I almost just peed my pants reading your

subject line. I knew you were being sarcastic. Very funny.

[David Zephyr]

29. Welcome to the DU, Little Star!

Sarcastic? Never! ;-)

[The Magistrate]

30. Nicely Done, Mr. Zephyr

A very well written piece.

[xkenx]

31. Are you f**king our of your mind?

[David Zephyr]

34. You have a "Wes Clark" avatar and you dare to call yourself a Democrat?!

Dude, didn't you know that Wes Clark actually is brilliant, that he actually spoke out against the Iraqi war BEFORE we invaded, that he was endorsed by MICHAEL MOORE, and even speaks publicly in favor of gay and lesbian civil rights?!!! And you call me crazy? ;-)

[radio4progressives]

36. i guess you didn't quite get it... it's called satire n/t

[David Zephyr]

48. R4P

;-)

[Michigander4Dean]

32. Sarcasm I assume? | nt

[Kurovski]

37. You've convinced me!

You've convinced me that laughing out loud is indeed good for body, mind and soul. :D

[David Zephyr]

49. Let me join you.

:rofl:

[PatGund]

38. It's a winning ticket alright.....

....winning ticket for the GOP. They could run Duke Cunningham, *from* prison, against that ticket and win.

Great satire, BTW!

[Hippo_Tron]

61. DeLay/Cunningham '08!

Two guys who will then be convicted felons. It fits the GOP perfectly.

[Irreverend IX]

39. America knows what the Republicans stand for.

But what do Hillary and Joe stand for? Or any of the DLC Democrats? Reading their platforms is like chewing on soggy shredded newspaper. There's no drive there, no inspiration to help improve the nation. The DLC is making it harder and harder for the average American to think of a reason to vote for Democrats. I'm willing to bet that if we held an election between Joe Stalin and Joe Lieberman, Stalin would win. He may be evil, but Lieberman is boring, and that's just about the worst thing you can be in America.

[fujiyama]

73. What does the DLC stand for?

Whatever the GOP stands for, only slightly less forcefully, enthusiastically, and zealosly...

And much less convincingly.

[The Backlash Cometh]

40. Yes, but they're running on the Republican ticket.

[flying_wahini]

41. just as an aside, I saw a Condi in 08 sticker this week, (houston)

[No Exit]

43. Whew! You were being sarcastic... I'm relieved...

[Jamison]

44. Clinton/Lieberman = worse than Frist/DeLay. n/t

[Talismom]

46. When that becomes the democratic ticket, I start looking to

relocate.

[IChing]

47. I'm glad you finally saw the light on the highway and are driving in the

middle of the road. Good post

Now, is that another car I see?

Maybe I should turn off our headlights.

[cassiepriam]

50. Which ticket? Repugs?

[CrackpotAmerica]

51. It should be: Clinton, (R) / Lieberman, (R)

From now on.

[BikeWriter]

52. That's the GOP ticket, isn't it?

[mmonk]

53. pfffft

:spray:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[David Zephyr]

56. pffft

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl

[mmonk]

65. I can see their campaign train now

The Pandering Express, Al From Conductor. A big flag with the words, "protected from flag burners" on top.

[the other one]

54. My head just exploded.

We won with Gore, We won with Kerry. We could win with a spatula. It doesn't matter, it's already stolen.

I would rather have it stolen from somebody I believe in, than someone who I see as a carpet-bagger, and certainly not her sanctimonious vp.

[NoFederales]

55. Oh Boy, that's a crack&meth dream--who's gotta a blue dress?

NoFederales

[Dances with Cats]

57. You must be up out yo mind....

[Auntie Bush]

60. Puke!

And :puke: again.

[rpannier]

62. Yep...I agree...A winning ticket

The Republicans will get four more years in the White House running against that ticket. It's a winner all right...for the Republicans.

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[autorank]

64. If they win, I shall move to Belize

:hi:

[Vinca]

66. You made me puke black bean soup on my keyboard. Thanks. nt

[Uncle Joe]

68. Is it legal to smoke doobies while you are blogging? n/t

[Snivi Yllom]

69. the idea of a Clinton/Lieberman ticket makes me ill

I think the ad would make my eyeballs melt.

Frankly, Warner is looking better than Hillary and I am not thrilled by that.

[election_2004]

70. Oh, but she's tough as nails and they can't dig up anything new on her....

.....and hey, with Hillary as president, maybe now we'll finally get universal health care!

:sarcasm:
:silly: :crazy:

[LWolf]

71. And, apparently, if you don't agree, you are

A DINO!!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2303754

[mitchum]

72. Just another reason that you're one of my favorite DU-ers, David Z

nicely done, brother :)

[upi402]

74. LOL, that's hilarious. Thanks!

I almost bit ;~)
:rofl: