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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:09 PM
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Were Abramoff, Wilkes and Cunningham running a brothel for lobbyists?
Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 02:12 PM by IanDB1
Guilty Congressman Duke Cunningham's “Co-Conspirator” Also Ran A DC “Hospitality Suite, With Several Bedrooms”…

National Journal | Posted December 6, 2005 10:39 AM


Sometimes we read too many political clips and overlook some amazing things staring us in the face. Among those in Monday's edition, this little factoid, culled from Sunday's San Diego Union-Tribune blockbuster digging deeper into the Duke Cunningham's relationship with "co-conspirator No. 1," a.k.a. lobbyist Brent Wilkes.

According to the U-T, Wilkes also "ran a hospitality suite, with several bedrooms, in" DC -- "first in the Watergate Hotel and then" in a Capitol Hill hotel.

Come again? A "hospitality suite with several bedrooms"?

Talk about raising more questions, including:

-- Why does a lobbyist need a "hospitality suite with several bedrooms"?

-- Who uses those bedrooms and for what?

These lobbying scandals involving Cunningham and Wilkes and Abramoff are looking more and more like a bad movie script every day. Except with one difference from the movies: this stuff actually happened.

Read entire blog at National Journal The Hotline
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2005/12/06/From%20National%20Journal's%20The%20Hotline

Some people say that Republicans regularly have gay sex paid for by Abramoff, Wilkes and Cunningham.

Folks are saying that Tom DeLay may have engaged in sodomy with Jeff Gannon.


To be fair, they're not "beds" they're "resting platforms."

People say.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:12 PM
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1. I've been saying for years the Republicans are prized by the callgirls
Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 02:13 PM by blm
around DC because they pay ALOT, spend alot of $time$, and usually bring the most drugs.

This is how Enron and just about every other big corporation does business.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 05:25 PM
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16. Callgirls? I think the OP is referring to callboys.
Some may think this is no different, then, others like the so-called religious right might think differently. It's too bad that the 'free press' don't think.... at all.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 05:35 PM
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18. Where there are callgirls, there are also callboys. In sheer demand, the
numbers are still way bigger for callgirls than callboys....even in DC.

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Patrick J Fitzgerald Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 09:09 PM
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24. I guess...
I better take a close look at Judy Miller's tax returns and contents of her safety deposit box now that it has come to light that she was sleeping around!

http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 02:00 AM
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28. A smaller business will also provide entertainment when wooing
Edited on Wed Dec-07-05 02:02 AM by Kurovski
a client.

Remember when Bush said he would run his White House "like a business"?

It might be the one and only true thing that fucker ever said in his whole miserable life.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:14 PM
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2. Yes. Yes they were.
If you've been around politics long enough, you'll know.
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:16 PM
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3. I love Republican sex scandals; they're soooo kinky!
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:16 PM
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4. Gannon/Delay
Oh God! Tommy and Jeffy! I'll bet Tommy wears pantyhose during their trysts.
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 07:21 PM
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23. You know, I hate to say it
But I caught a video clip of Delay yesterday and as I watched it, I thought to myself, "Hmmm, is that boy gay?" First time it ever occurred to me, but once it did, it seemed quite a bit more obvious than it had in the past. In any case, the pantyhose certainly fits my little scenario.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 09:36 PM
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26. I don't know what to say.....
......that will not offend any of my friends who are gay, because I sure don't mean to do so. But there's something prissy about his walk, whether he's gay or not. The man just has a prissy walk.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 02:13 AM
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29. I said the same thing a few weeks back when I saw him sashaying
in to get his purty little mug shot.

"Light in the loafers" would be another way to put it.

Personally, I'm damn proud of my prissy walk. But then, the cha-cha heels are responsible for my enticing gate. Gayness has not a thing to do with it. :-)

Is it possible that Delay is a queen of such magnitude that--try as he might--he can't get the "passing" walk straight?

Maybe that's why there is so little footage of him moving? ;-)



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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #29
54. "sashay" -- yep, that's it
Just a little bit. Just enough.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:03 PM
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57. In honor of DeLay's photoshoot that day, here is a snip of Rupaul:
you better work ( cover girl )
work it girl ( give a twirl )
do your thing on the runway

work ( supermodel... )
you better work it, girl ( ...of the world )
wet your lips and make love to the camera

work, turn to the left
work, now turn to the right
work, sashay shante

i have one thing to say, sashay shante, shante, shante, shante
i have one thing to say, sashay shante, shante, shante, shante
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 03:28 PM
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48. Tenid602, that "pantyhose theory" of yours may have legs.
It would fit "Hot Tub" Tom to a "T".

Think about it: sporting a pair of pantyhose approximates the sensation of being in a hot tub. Or a steam room.

Ask any woman.

This would also explain why Mrs. DeLay has looked so cheesed-off in recent courtroom photos with Tom. She's sick of him tearing into her pantyhose stash.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:17 PM
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5. *Gasp* Not a sex scandal, too!
Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 02:22 PM by tanyev
I'm going to need my smelling salts. :bounce:
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Tony_Illinois Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:18 PM
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6. That Would Be Too Fabulous For Words
Not only for it to be proven true, but to get some DETAILS. Nice, nasty, explicit stuff these guys would have to start explaining to the folks back home.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:30 PM
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7. Maybe Abramoff kept a girl locked in a cage to have sex with a bear? n/t
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Tony_Illinois Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:33 PM
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8. Well, why not--Mrs. DeLay has been sleeping with a JACKASS.
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 06:12 PM
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21. You sure about that?
They didn't have separate bedrooms or anything. No direct knowledge, mind you. Just asking. :evil grin:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 10:59 AM
Response to Reply #7
44. Whatever Libby's fantasies, no self-respecting bear would put up with
these slimy guys.
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Tyrone Slothrop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:55 PM
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13. Not only that
But maybe the public will actually pay attention to this story is there's some sex involved.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:38 PM
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9. "some people"
say all kinds of nonsense about Democrats, too. Somebody's gonna have to come up with something more than "some people say" and "folks are saying" before I give the slightest credence to this.

onenote
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:48 PM
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11. Why do you hate freedom? n/t
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:47 PM
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10. Randy & 'the boys': Scandal figure tied to Iran Contra Drug Trafficking
*World Exclusive*
Dec 6 2005--Venice,FL.
by Daniel Hopsicker

http://www.madcowprod.com /

San Diego businessman Brent Wilkes, a key figure in the Randy “Duke” Cunningham bribery scandal—as well as the Justice Department investigation of Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff—worked in Honduras during the 1980’s for a company accused by federal prosecutors of deep involvement in cocaine trafficking.

World Finance Corp., the MadCowMorningNews has learned, achieved notoriety during the Iran Contra Scandal for highly questionable activities in Honduras.

"It was drugs, it was money-laundering, it was everything," South Florida detective James Rider told Robert Perry of The Consortium at the time. "I know the CIA was in there somewhere."

"Police and federal prosecutors reported pressure from Washington and CIA headquarters in Langley to back off WFC. Too many of WFC's principals, it turned out, had cooperated with U.S. intelligence."
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:16 PM
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12. How many congressmen are being blackmailed?
This is another problem with letting lobbyists show them a good time.

I dunno, I think my confidence in the integrity of our government is slipping. Wonder what they're going to do to restore dignity and honor.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:55 PM
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14. You have confidence in the integrity of our government?
Why?
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 05:55 PM
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20. They should resign, it's the only honorable thing to do
To restore confidence in our government. It's the 'right thing' to do. To restore honor.

You know, in other cultures, I think Japan, these people would be encouraged to commit seppuku, I think it's called.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 05:00 PM
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15. NOT surprised, d.c. is the only real EOE sex slave & romp base camp
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 05:34 PM
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17. Page not found when I tried to link to whole story...
anyone have the same problem? This story too hot to post anymore?
Wazzup?
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 10:36 AM
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39. I've posted alternative links to the original material downthread here:
It's Reply #38, downthread at this link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2294888&mesg_id=2296599

Who knows what happened with the link in the opening post (it gave me a "page not found" error too), but the original material is still there. This story has been posted several times at DU already, but it looks like more people are noticing it now.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 05:46 PM
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19. Hmmm, I wonder about Rush
What I wonder is how could this guy be eating thousands of tabs of oxycoten, all on his own.

I mean we heard he was script chasing, going doctor to doctor for the pain of his anal cyst. In doing so, he obtained tens of thousands of pills. And we are supposed to believe he used them all on his own. Because is ass hurt when he scratched it.

It's speculation, but could Rush have been one of the RNC's 'connections'. Nothing these guys would stoop to would surprise me one bit.

Extramarital sex, dope, stealing money. At this point I doubt any of it to beyond the pale. Ha, I think many of the fundies are beginning to wonder the say thing. Tsk, tsk, naughty naughty republicans.

B-)
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 06:44 PM
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22. Hey, if it helps legalize prostitution, I'm all for it!
But the REST of the stuff these bastards do bothers me, particularly as it's not consensual.
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 09:12 PM
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25. Oh my God. It would be so cool if this scandal went brothel.
Because people need to follow complex arguments to work out what money laundering is. Sex, they understand.

Back in Watergate, Nixon's gang used to fantasize about fitting up a "Chinese-motif houseboat" with prostitutes and luring Congressmen in there so they could be photographed and blackmailed. Maybe Abramoff heard about it and thought it was a cool idea.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 08:20 AM
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31. Exactly! Money-laundering=huh??? / Sex = oh, no!!!
And its precisely the 30-40% (depending on the poll) of people who still think Chimp hung the moon. Money laundering is what happens when you leave a couple of dollars in the pocket of your jeans on wash-day. But a scandal involving sex--that'll get their attention. Might not change a lot of opinions, especially among the denial-heavy bunch, but at least it will make them plug-in their brains and use them!
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 12:20 AM
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27. finally, a purpose for Jeff Gannon!! LOL!!!
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 05:10 AM
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30. Gannon/Gukhert/Goshe is the Key to a lot of things
Lifetime TV recently had a series on the worldwide trade in children esp. girls in the sex trade which is one of the largest businesses in the world. They have a website with things you can do to help and Johnny Goshe's mother Noreen had a commentary after the series. She also has a website Why Johnny Can't Come Home.

http://www.jeffgannon.org/index.php?option=com_forum&Itemid=119&page=weblog_entry&e=36S

other interesting tangential developments have also occurred recently. A couple of years following Gosch’s abduction, a man named Paul Bishop who claimed to be with the CIA showed up to help Gosch’s mother with the case. Bishop suddenly disappeared in 1985 and no one knew how to contact him, but on February 4, 2005 he was arrested in Virginia after police discovered ‘an explicit video of a 16-year-old boy’ in his home. Another man named Rusty Nelson, who testified in court that he was hired by Larry King to take still photos, was picked up 2 days after Hunter’s death for failing to register as a sex offender in a county in which he no longer lived. Many have suspected these two arrests were to send a message to those who might have inclination to spill the beans.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/new_leads_implicate_cia_gov_officials_child_prostitution_ring.htm

MKULTRA is a CIA acronym that officially stands for 'Manufacturing Killers Utilizing Lethal Tradecraft Requiring Assassinations'".

The Trackback URL for this entry is:
http://www.jeffgannon.org/components/com_forum/trackback.php?e=36

http://www.iahf.com/

http://www.heliophobe.com/mkultra.htm http://www.clydelewis.com/dis/fear/fear.shtml
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/grove.asp
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:34 AM
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32. Where there is prostitution with this bunch, you can bet there's BLACKMAIL
It's an effective way to keep Congress people and others toeing the line no matter what. Just hold a secret cache of photos or films over their heads, to be revealed if they dare to complain or step away from Bushie talking points. Raises the stakes on whistleblowing too.

Worked for Daddy - don't forget the prostitution ring when he was VP under Reagan - and I've been sure it's been in place for Junior. You can bet they've dug hard for blackmail evidence on everybody they want to control, and setting up a "hospitality suite" is probably the tip of the iceberg on entrapment schemes.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 11:10 AM
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46. We need to do something like that WITHOUT the blackmail
Edited on Wed Dec-07-05 11:10 AM by IanDB1
Simply go out and try to entice, entrap and document right-wingers engaged in sexual misconduct.

And then, instead of engaging in blackmail-- which is both illegal and wrong-- just release the info without warning.

I'm not saying anyone has to "take one for the team," but if at all possible we want to have footage of Rick Santorum watching gay porn while he masturbates on your couch.

No warnings, no ultimatums-- just let them go wake-up in the next morning to find this stuff on the news.

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:37 AM
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33. Getting "PAGE NOT FOUND" for the link in the opening post n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 10:31 AM
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38. ***WORKING LINKS: here are the Cannonfire blog entry & SD Union-Tribune
Edited on Wed Dec-07-05 10:54 AM by Nothing Without Hope
article containing the info about the "extra bedrooms":

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2005/12/deeper-into-wilkesmzm-scandals-updated.html
title (12/3 and updates): Deeper into the Wilkes/MZM scandals (Updated)

MUST-READ: THIS VITALLY IMPORTANT EXPOSÉ in the San Diego Union-Tribune:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051204/news_1n4adcs.html



THE CUNNINGHAM SCANDAL

Contractor 'knew how to grease the wheels'


ADCS founder spent years cultivating political contacts

By Dean Calbreath
and Jerry Kammer
STAFF WRITER / COPLEY NEWS SERVICE
December 4, 2005

(snip)

Born in San Diego County in 1954, Wilkes graduated from Hilltop High School in 1972, along with his football teammate and best friend Kyle Dustin "Dusty" Foggo, currently third-in-command at the Central Intelligence Agency. Wilkes and Foggo were roommates at San Diego State University, were best men at each other's weddings and named their sons after each other.

(snip)

Wilkes befriended other legislators, too. He ran a hospitality suite, with several bedrooms, in Washington – first in the Watergate Hotel and then in the Westin Grand near Capitol Hill.

He also kept his donations flowing, targeting people with clout over the Pentagon budget: $43,000 to Jerry Lewis, who now heads the Appropriations Committee; $35,500 to Hunter, who heads the Armed Services Committee; and $30,000 to Tom DeLay, who flew on Wilkes' jet several times and has been a frequent golfing buddy.

Over the past three years, Wilkes' lobbying group in Washington – Group W Advisors – also paid about $630,000 in lobbying fees to Alexander Strategy Group, a firm headed by DeLay's former chief of staff Ed Buckham and staffed with former DeLay employees.

(snip - much, much more, including details of Wilkes' and others' history)


Note the CIA connection, which I've excerpted from in the first paragraph.
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Horus45 Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:47 AM
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34. That is the place where they all had their trysts with Guckert/Gannon!
Maybe even video tape to keep some politicos in line.
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Horus45 Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:48 AM
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35. I guess I should have read some of the posts before posting mine...
Seems like a lot of us all had the same thought process!
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:49 AM
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36. Of Course They Were! Is There Really Any Doubt About It???
:shrug:
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:53 AM
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37. No.
They were running a brothel for congress members.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #37
42. You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant!
Edited on Wed Dec-07-05 10:53 AM by IanDB1
<snip>

While I believe that the Wilkes Corporation (also known as ADCS and Group W Advisors) intended to hire enough people to give his firm a more convincing veneer of legitimacy, the available evidence indicates that Wilkes' company existed primarily as a way-station for political pay-offs.

<snip>

"Group W Media," the advertising agency with no discernable clients, was a front for something -- I don't yet know what. "Group W Transportation" amounted to a time-share arrangement involving a Lear jet. "Al Dust Properties" and "Group W Holdings" supposedly owned properties -- but I can't trace any holdings beyond the impressive building which the Wilkes Corporation called home. (It's now up for auction, by the way.) MailSafe Inc. supposedly offers "mail decontamination, digital capture, and electronic distribution to government and commercial entities." But the web site has disappeared, and the company seems to have left zero imprint on corporate America. Where is the evidence that it actually provided any services to clients?

More:
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2005/12/wilkes-invisible-empire.html

See also:

<snip>

And I proceeded to tell him the story of the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with the circles and arrows and the paragraph on the back of each one, and he stopped me right there and said, "Kid, I want you to go and sit down on that bench that says Group W .... NOW kid!!"

<snip>

I went over to the sargent, said, "Sargeant, you got a lot a damn gall to ask me if I've rehabilitated myself, I mean, I mean, I mean that just, I'm sittin' here on the bench, I mean I'm sittin here on the Group W bench 'cause you want to know if I'm moral enough join the army, burn women, kids, houses and villages after bein' a litterbug." He looked at me and said, "Kid, we don't like your kind, and we're gonna send you fingerprints off to Washington."

More:
http://www.arlo.net/lyrics/alices.shtml



Also:

The Group W Bench
Why the Group W Bench?

“The Group W Bench is where they put you if you might not be moral enough to join the army,” Arlo Guthrie once proclaimed in his inimitable hippie drawl. I’m referring, of course, to the classic anti-war folk song/monolgue “Alice’s Restaurant” that Arlo Guthrie recorded in the heady days of 1967. Even when I was in college during the 80’s , Arlo had a strong following among left-leaning youth. He performed on my college campus (Oberlin College) twice while I was a student. The late 80’s are generally not thought of as a liberal, free-wheeling time. What with Dan Quayle, the first Gulf War, and the national obsession with drug testing, liberals had plenty to complain about when they got together for Lattes and Cherry Garcia Ice Cream.

More:
http://home.earthlink.net/~jdkleinman/id1.html



Also:

May 14, 2004


The Group W Bench
The new definition of "Cannon Fodder".

The folks lining up at KBR's Houston training center are not worried about these billions or millions. They are happy to get off with a few thousand bucks. In the Iraq gold rush, you sign for a one-year contract - renewable pending your qualifications and endurance. Basic salaries are equivalent for comparable jobs in the US - but become three times as fat because of the bonuses related to the dangers implied. A health plan and a $50,000 life insurance is included. The first $80,000 is tax-free - as long as you remain in Iraq for at least 330 days. And if you get killed, the significant other gets half a salary for life.

Who wants these jobs? The great majority are divorced, have held plenty of jobs before, are used to living near the desert, must pay outstanding debts and, in most cases, want to get a shot at saving and maybe opening their own businesses. There are not many PhD holders in the bunch. Truck drivers, cooks and housing managers are in high demand.

And who ever says that Art does not reflect life? Arlo Guthrie only thought he made up the "Group W" bench...

The gold rush involves passing a first-step screening - which can be on the phone or live with one of dozens of KBR traveling salesmen all across the US. If you have a criminal record, however minor, you're out, says a black man trying to work as a security guard who once got a drunk-driving conviction.

More:
http://www.usndemvet.com/blog/archives/001748.html



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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 11:16 AM
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47. Group W, and Group W... weird
The shiny (somewhat) young red-haired republican congressman arrived at the lobbyists' hospitality suite. "You're down for the blonde-in-the-see-through-burka, or the burka-full-o'-cash."

"I'll take the burka-full-o'-cash," he said, flushing a deep red as he felt his manhood straining against the seams of his $4000 suit trousers...
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VaYallaDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 10:42 AM
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40. Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy!!!!
:popcorn: This could really be fun to watch!!!!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 10:52 AM
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41. ...but NOT the sure-to-exist photos and films of the manly congressmen
Edited on Wed Dec-07-05 10:53 AM by Nothing Without Hope
in "action"! Good for blackmail to keep them to the Bushie party line, but not a viewing pleasure! :puke:
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VaYallaDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 10:55 AM
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43. What will be fun will be watching the monsters go after each other!
Did I say monsters? Maybe mobsters is better.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 11:00 AM
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45. They're BOTH: monsters AND mobsters. n/t
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 03:32 PM
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49. This gives whole new meaning to the term "embedded',
on second thought maybe it does not.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 04:09 PM
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50. As I read this thread, I recall how R's like to rag Dems for gossiping.
It's utter horseshit of course, since they themselves indulge with clock-work like regularity. And when there isn't enough of it around, they improvise. They even pay each other well for doing so.

Remember all the endless Hill & Bill speculation? And pill-popper Rush proved himself the cattiest puss in the litter box when he trashed their daughter on-air.

I've never attended a Sunday afternoon tea-dance where The Swiftboat Vets could have been out-done by even the nastiest group of bitter "confirmed bachelors".

Even after gallons of vodka washed down with peppermint schnapps could they match the imaginative musings and outright vitriol of the Swiftboat gals.

Still and all, the cackling, ba-cawing hen-party of the Swiftboat peckers are comprised of fourth-rate gossips at best. Any gossip worth their salt will tell you that for gossip to be good, it must not be an absolute lie.

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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:14 PM
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51. I hope the DeLay/Gannon sodomy thing is true!
Man, that would be great!

:D
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 08:46 PM
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52. I'm begining to think Gannon may be the official "pass-around-pack"
Going on bike-rides with George is only one item on his busy schedule.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 06:56 AM
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53. What better way to blackmail people?
This is awfully reminiscent of the Heidi Fleisch callgirl ring that was tied in with Watergate.

Just part of the game. :party: :evilgrin: B-)
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 04:00 PM
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55. Heidi Fleiss was, what?...Five years old? You've gone and confused me.
Watergate the complex, or Watergate the scandal?

I'm googling and it is no help. Are you breaking a story here on DU?

Or are you making something up? :evilgrin:


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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 05:20 PM
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56. Heidi Rikan was a madame and Mo Biner (Dean)'s roommate
at the time of the Watergate breakin.

Sorry. Confused my callgirls named Heidi. My bad. :evilgrin:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:40 PM
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58. "Hooker Snooker", Historically one of the Repub's favorite games.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 04:51 PM
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59. it could be plausible
remember the front page of the Washington Post (I believe it was the WP) about young callboys in the White House during Poppy's reign? Then all of the misery J. Edgar Hoover created, destroying people's lives and families (lies, blackmail). Yeah, he was trying to keep that mean old Communist scourge away from decent American folk--come to find out he had some skeletons in his closet--can we say drag queen with homosexual tendencies? What I really want to know is were the "alleged" terrorists on the Sun Cruise line before 9/11? Now that would really be worth knowing. And if so, what's the connection?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 04:02 AM
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60. This goes back to Bismarck's "Green House", a Berlin brothel run
by Prussian military intelligence to entrap and blackmail numerous leading figures in Germany during the 1870s and 1880s.

The callboy ring scandal during Bush 41 was exposed at the time by The Washington Times. The Post buried the story, which indicates to me that the good old WaPo's friends in Langley were involved somehow, and probably still have the goods on GOP pedophiles.

As for Hoover, in addition to being himself blackmailed by the Mob, he kept miles and miles of "personal" files on the sex and dope shananigans of Hollywood celebrities, union leaders, and politicians of all stripes. These dossiers were supposedly destroyed at the time of Hoover's death in 1973, but somehow, I think the Agency and others kept a copy or two.

Finally, 9/11 happened because Shrub refused to roll up the al-Qaeda cells he knew were inside the US. One of the reasons he was advised to delay was that the UBL cells were financed by the same network Abramoff and Norquist were tapping into.
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