Clark: Bush Deserves to Be Fired for Not Preventing 9/11

[QC]

Democratic presidential hopeful Gen. Wesley Clark said Sunday that his old boss Bill Clinton - not President Bush - deserved credit for forcing Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi to abandon his weapons of mass destruction programs, even though Gadhafi's turnaround came nearly three years after Clinton left office.

"It's a program of squeezing Libya that's gone on for more than a decade," Clark told a Derry, N.H., audience, according to the Concord Monitor. "The Clinton administration was very much involved with this...."

The retired general added new details to his charge that President Bush was responsible for leaving America vulnerable to the 9/11 attacks, saying that President Clinton tried to warn Bush about Osama bin Laden but Bush wouldn't listen....

The former NATO commander said that Bush deserves to be "fired" for not doing more to prevent 9/11.

http://www.phxnews.com/fullstory.php?article=8193

[Toucano]

1. But everyone knows

Clinton was soft on terror. :crazy: - to paraphrase DeLay on MTP.

Thank you Wes! Democrats need to reclaim the truth about Clinton's successes.

[maddezmom]

2. Go Wes and John Kerry

And John Kerry said the same about Libyria on CNN on Sunday. He attributed the talks to Clinton at the end of his term.

[BootinUp]

3. Keep it up General Clark!

You're doing a fantastic job.

[QC]

4. It's a novel approach, isn't it? Taking the fight to Bush

instead of savaging fellow Democrats.

[fishguy]

5. Clark for America!!!!

Not just for President, for America!!!!

[maddezmom]

6. simply the best approach

[pansypoo53219]

23. yeah

now he has to prove WHAT he was doing before 9/11, ala clinton.
and what will condi say?

[Insurance_Analyst]

21. Finally, our man is starting to assert himself!

[BootinUp]

27. Insurance Analysts are welcome at DU

Welcome aboard

:hi:

[Insurance_Analyst]

30. Thanks, Jim. It is a pleasure to see so many Clark supporters!

[TorchTheWitch]

35. And another welcome

to Insurance_Analyst

:toast:

[Myra]

51. Yes it is.

Kick

[newyawker99]

52. Hi Insurance_Analyst!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[TorchTheWitch]

7. Go Clark!

The former NATO commander said that Bush deserves to be "fired" for not doing more to prevent 9/11.

I especially liked that part. Let's all say it again just because it sounds so good...

BUSH DESERVES TO BE FIRED
BUSH DESERVES TO BE FIRED
BUSH DESERVES TO BE FIRED
BUSH DESERVES TO BE FIRED

Yep, I like the sound of that a whole lot.

[QC]

8. Hmmm. That would have made a better subject line.

Think I should change it?

[maddezmom]

9. do you still have time? LOL

[QC]

10. Apparently.

[FreakinDJ]

11. You got to love it

The man got BALLs

He is taking the fight right to the horse's ass

[thinkahead]

12. You guys crack me up

Dean has been taking the fight to Bush since at least the last time Clark gave a speech at a Republican fundraiser

welcome to the party

:hi:

[QC]

14. Nothing to add to the discussion, eh?

[thinkahead]

15. just that you guys crack me up!

acting like you are the first ones to the Bash-Bush Ball

[QC]

19. Who said he was?

All the candidates have criticized Bush, even Lieberman. But Clark does spend more time attacking Bush and less attacking his fellow Democrats. I wish the others would do the same.

[thinkahead]

26. Hey I wish that were the case

too, believe me. Fact is Clark's campaign team (whom are some of the best in the biz), and especially some of his supporters have been behind some of the more vicious attacks against Dean and Kerry. You see a lot of it here every day. Understandable, they want to win. But don't pretend it isn't happening.

As I've said before, I like Clark, and I think he'd make a great VP.

[retyred]

40. I haven't seen any vicious attacks on dean

but what you call vicious attacks may be what I call political positioning, as far as Kerry goes, I've seen nothing that would constitute as an attack at all from Clark supporters, for the most part Clark supporters like Kerry supporters and vice versa, and the same seems to be for their campaigns.



retyred in fla
“good night paul, wherever you are”
So I read this book

[mikehiggins]

46. Its nice you don't mind being wrong

What vicious attacks are you referring to, by the way?

[oasis]

48. Clark did not enter the presential race to play second fiddle to anyone.

[jmaier]

18. Do y'all take turns

to make sure a "cold water" post appears on any pro-Clark thread?

[QC]

20. They don't have to coordinate it.

Juvenile smugness comes naturally to them.

[Insurance_Analyst]

22. I have heard that most of Dean's supporters are college kids.

[thinkahead]

28. you should attend a Dean meetup then

I'm 30 myself, and you would be surprised by the diversity, creativity, numbers, and ages of those that attend.

I'm sorry if you folks find me smug - perhaps I'm a little battle-weary from dealing with all of the usually unfounded - and often untrue anti-Dean crap thrown all over this place all day, especially since more and more of you Clark folks have shown up. You know quite well pro-Dean threads are interrupted by the same crap every time as well - and I've seen some of you do it.

Doesn't mean we should stoop to the same level, but I guess I'm just not that good of a person.

Regardless, it's nice to see a good Bush-bash from the General. :)

[Insurance_Analyst]

31. I must tell you that Clark meetups are very diverse. I hate to say what

I'm about to say because I know many Dean people have been hearing it night and day, but I am having a difficult time seeing how Dean can beat Bush.

I'm not saying Dean isn't capable. I talking in the context of the fact that 50 MILLION people actually voted for Bush. The stupidity of the country is astonishing to me. How Gore lost that is beyond belief.

[thinkahead]

32. something we can agree upon

How Gore lost is beyond belief. However, Dean is more electable than Gore - he is Gore without the bad advisors. And there are rumblings that Nader will not run this time if Dean is the nominee.

Bush is given way too much credit. Dean, like Clark is now, has been taking the fight to Bush, and calling for some backbone in the Democratic Party - and that is why he is doing so well. That a general with no party experience could jump in and perform better is a specious argument at best, no matter who is backing him.

Dean has the organization, the message, the money and the moxie to send Bush packing, and I look forward to helping make it happen.

Yes, I'd vote for Clark if he is the nominee, but I certainly don't think he's our best option.

[Insurance_Analyst]

33. I will vote for Dean if nominated, but let me be clear about sumthin...

I fear that the 50 million idiots will see Bush as a strong Commander-in-Chief. Maybe that Texas Cowboy image has actually helped him? And Dean comes from a well-to-do background and avoided Vietnam. Also, Clark can use the AWOL argument effectively during the DEBATES!!! Bush would be very good at ridiculing his opponent depending on who that is and Clark can always counter with the AWOL comment. Bush would know that and be on the defensive consequently.

I think Dean's achilles heal is the fact that he wants to raise taxes on middle class Americans, which is something I don't like, but I am willing to shell out more in taxes as long as Bush isn't at 1600 Pennsylvania. Unfortunately, I think that MANY other middle class Americans, who don't really like Bush even though they may agree with him on gay marriage and abortion would still vote for him because they don't want their taxes raised. I just don't think Dean can persuade a fence-sitting voter that he/she would be better off if they had to pay $1500 more annually in income taxes. Dean is good, but he's not that good in my humble opinion. :-)

[thinkahead]

37. thanks

I'm glad we could have a civil debate about this. I've been frustrated lately with this place - as may have shown in my earlier posts.

On middle class tax cuts - Dean rightfully points out that while you may have received a tax cut, it is more than made up for most likey in Bush's other policies leading to increased property taxes - and the increasing crisis in state finances (leading to increased taxes on a local level). He refers to this as the "Bush tax" - which negates whatever tax-cut you may have recieved in the mail. Dean calls for repealing the entire Bush tax package - and creating a fairer and simpler tax code, freeing up money to fund healthcare for as many Americans as possible - and deal with the financial crisis mentioned above.

As a Governor, Dean balanced the budget every year he was in office. He is fiscally conservative (something which has appealed to fiscally conservative and socially liberal Republicans) - and would be the perfect candidate to deal with our spiraling Bush defecit problems.

[Insurance_Analyst]

39. Good points...

Regarding the tax cut...YOU know this and I know this, but will the goofballs that actually decide the election have the ability to discern what has REALLY happened??? I will definitely vote for The Doctor if he gets the nomination.

However, how does he plan to balance the budget, even IF he can get the tax cut repealed, when he wants to spend so much money on healthcare???

[BootinUp]

34. There wasn't an incumbent

running in 2000. Bush will be much tougher to beat this time.

Clark has strong support especially considering his late entry. He has the money and grassroots support to take on Dean for this nomination.

May the best man for the job win.

[thinkahead]

38. disagreed

Bush has an abyssmal record, and don't let anyone convince you otherwise. He will be as tough to beat as wel allow him to be. If we fight the good fight, we will win against his record alone.

[Scott Lee]

42. HAHAH! I'm sure the 60 somethings at our local meetups

would adore you for that one. I mean really!

[sandnsea]

50. ANY candidate thread

This has been going on for a while, with Kerry threads for certain as well. They either ignore candidates all together, or do this stuff. Well, until they post a "call for unity" or "just go after Bush" thread.

[MoonRiver]

13. Clark taking on the forces of evil! Yes!!

Positions like this are why the General enspires such confidence and feelings of security when one contemplates his potential presidency. Go Clark!

[pocoloco]

16. I know I've been sleeping a lot better since he announced!!!

[Killarney]

17. What was even more interesting than reading that story

was reading all the comments below the article on the website. A good fight going on there between a bunch of anonymous posters.

Good article. I like that Clark isn't afraid to tell it like it is.

[jmaier]

24. Yep

the comments below the article were very entertaining. The usual freeper perspective and some strong Clark supporters in Phoenix.



Wes Clark. He will make an extraordinary American President.

[maddezmom]

25. Wes kisses no ones ass

and that's one of the reasons he's got my vote.

[Scott Lee]

29. Understated again. Bush* needs to be IMPEACHED and removed

not merely voted out of office.

[TorchTheWitch]

36. huh?

What is understated about saying Bush should be fired?

[Scott Lee]

41. What does Clark mean by "fired" Merely voted out of office?

Oh, I'm shaking. What a ball busting broadsides against the Warchimp!

Ahem...Bushhole needed to be impeached and removed for crimes of war and against humanity LONG ago, had this nation the courage in both it's leadership and it's people. Forgive me if I don't do backflips over Clarks quip on this note.

[jmaier]

44. I wouldn't

want you to do any backflips. It's dangerous and you might land on your head.

[TorchTheWitch]

49. no

What does Clark mean by "fired" Merely voted out of office?

Fired means fired, removed, let go, impeached, dismissed, evicted, ejected, pack your bags and be escorted out of the building. Voted out of office gives a second chance as he may not BE voted out of office and puts that decision in the hands of the voters.

Ever been fired? There's no vote. It's means you're done - now - get out, you screwed up and there are NO second chances.

Ahem...Bushhole needed to be impeached and removed for crimes of war and against humanity LONG ago, had this nation the courage in both it's leadership and it's people.

Nooooooooo! REALLY??? :eyes:

Forgive me if I don't do backflips over Clarks quip on this note.

No one is expecting you to do any proverbial backflips, and personally, seeing that I've notice that you've become one of those people that dives into nearly every bit of discussion about Clark to add your negative 2 cents, and very often non-productive sarcastic comments at that, I'd hardly either expect or assume that you would.

Speaking of proverbial backflips...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=23085#23093
And this was only a well written press piece about Dean... I hope you didn't hurt yourself on the dismount.

You know, I've been searching for awhile now and still can't find any information about Dean saying that Bush should be impeached, fired, dismissed, etc. Seeing as you would be familiar with all things Dean, could you supply some sources about that? Thanks.

[in_cog_ni_to]

43. Take it to 'em,Wes!

He does it so well! He knows what he's talking about and the WH knows that what he's saying is true. hehe! I can't wait to hear how they spin this one!

Happy Birthday, General! :party: :toast:

[arewethereyet]

45. um... Moamar sez 'no'

He's been quoted as being afraid of Bush. True ? Who knows.

More significant, he does remember American commandos killing half his family in the desert where they slept in tents thinking the drifting sands protected them. I thnk he remembers THAT very well.

[Myra]

47. Well good for General Clark.

Thanks.