I wonder if the typical American associates Ramsey Clark w/the Dem Party?

[win_in_06]

If so will our party receive any backlash as a result of his participating in the trial of Saddam Hussein?

I have noticed that the MSM is highlighting the fact that he is a former U.S. Attorney General under Jimmy Carter. If not for that I doubt that most Americans know who he is.

Edit to correct: He was AG for LBJ, not JC

[Murdock]

1. Uhh

He was AG under Lyndon Johnson, not Jimmy Carter

[win_in_06]

7. There you go, I'm one of those uninformed Americans. Point remains

the same though.

[Neil Lisst]

2. The American public doesn't know who he is.

He was AG for a few years 40 years ago, but his rep is from representing despots.

I think if Americans think about this much, they'll think it sucks that we are censoring so much.

[Greeby]

3. Anyone else have a problem being lectured on immoral wars

by a guy who worked for LBJ? :shrug:

[Neil Lisst]

5. NO. What has that got to do with Ramsey Clark in 2005?

He was Attorney General, not Secretary of Defense, and the ONLY reason he got that was so his dad, Tom Clark, who then sat on the Supreme Court, would resign, giving LBJ a seat to appoint on the SC.

[EFerrari]

6. He's had his light bulb moment and that's the most admirable

thing about the man. Did you see the film? I can't summon the title but he came as clean as he could. Can't be easy, living with such an acute knowledge of being so wrong at such a human cost.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

9. Only if they try to say LBJ was resposible for starting the Vietnam War...

...LBJ was responsible for escalating the war, but Eisenhower was the first to send military advisors to Vietnam in 1954. The U. S. suffered the first combat death in that country in 1956, also during Eisenhower's Administration.

One more thing...it doesn't matter who tells us that the invasion and occupation of Iraq is illegal as well as immoral, because that is the absolute truth, something that we're going to be paying for on a number of levels for the next several decades.

[Neil Lisst]

11. I blame Vietnam on many people, but they can gain redemption.

Like Bob McNamara did in The Fog of War. THAT is what I watched for Veterans' Day. I make myself watch it every few months. I'm just glad to see someone feel remorse about it.

[flordehinojos]

4. i think the only participation he is having with the trial of saddam

hussein is to make sure that the trial is not a mock trial, that it is a trial conducted under a lawful court, and that the defense team have a voice in deciding who will provide security at the trial. it seems that the defense team is fearful that even some of those providing security at the trial can try to kill hussein if they are chosen by the bushcos. and, boy aren't they right!

in my mind ramsey clark is a man of honor, who does not like lies, and he certainly does not like the lies, snarls, distortions, miscontortions and spins of these darn bush snarlers all.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

10. And right now, that "trial" is nothing but a kangaroo court run by....

...Saddam's political enemies. If the intention of the NeoCon Junta was to conduct a classic post-war trial along the lines of Nuremburg, they are failing miserably, and the rest of the world is watching.

[laugle]

26. Your post is right on...I heard him speak today

about Bush not having the authority to take out government leaders and that this was a criminal choice to go to war.

Also, that he wants to make sure that this trial is legal so that America doesn't look like judge and jury.

When I first heard he was defending Saddam, I was shocked, but after hearing him today, he seems to be doing this for the right reasons.

It was good to hear someone speaking out against Bush and his choice to go to war.

[flordehinojos]

31. thanks ...

:toast:

thanks for your gift of listening.

they, the bushcos, the MSM and others will do their best to bury and spin ramsey clark's words, or twist them as best they can, and have people believe who knows what awful things about him and what he is doing.

it is always good to know there are people out there who can listen through and despite the spin.

:toast:

[leveymg]

8. That was Lyndon Johnson - longer than most Americans can remember

No, I don't think there's much of an association between Mr. Clark and the Democratic Party, even if the MSM wants to plant one.

[lynne]

12. I'm more concerned that the uninformed may confuse him -

- with WESLEY CLARK. The first names rhyme and the last names are the same.

[win_in_06]

13. That would not be uninformed, that would be deaf, dumb and blind.

[MH1]

16. so..that makes it a big risk, doesn't it?

After all 59 million (plus or minus a few million....no probably only minus...whatever) people were deaf, dumb, and blind enough to vote for W over Kerry.

I'm only half-kidding on this.

[lynne]

24. Don't be so sure -

- as "political junkies" like us are not the norm. There is still a generation of older people who get their news only from the MSM as they're half afraid of computers. They remember Ramsey Clark and probably know little of Wesley Clark.

Then we have the youngsters who only know of Wesley as they're too young to remember Ramsey. The two Clark's are guaranteed to become confused by those who have little knowledge of either.

[snowbear]

28. No way Lynne!

People will never associate him with General Clark! ~~~~No way!

[Larry in KC]

36. And don't think it will all be accidental.

It's very comfortably within Rove's playbook to make sure he gets much more mention than he merits, so that little psychological seed can be planted. Easy to imagine, isn't it, dropped into friendly press coverage: "FORMER attorney GENERAL CLARK, ANGRILY DEFENDING IRAQI TYRANT SADDAM HUSSEIN..." .

It's even a two-fer for some who might think it's Richard Clarke.

[robbedvoter]

14. He made himself connected with the anti-war movement unfortunately

Which cannot be a simple coincidence. I always believed that it was a ploy to make us look nuts.

[formernaderite]

15. sorry, he has been involved with the anti war movement for a long time

it's no ploy...he's been on the front lines longer than most democrats.

[robbedvoter]

25. Democrats scmemocrats - many anti-war people had to leave events

because of the extrenist rhetoric of ramsey&comp. yeah, it was a ploy - and it held us back for many years - still hurts us.

[formernaderite]

29. well no one complained that International ANSWER

coordinated MOST of the protest events. Now all of a sudden some of you are "questioning" the leadership....oh, please. Obviously you didn't have a problem before. FYI...Ramsey is no kook. You've obviously been reading too much right wing fluff.

[High Plains]

34. A ploy?

By whom?

[gratuitous]

17. I'm not sure why that's a problem

After all, don't we want to be sure that Saddam is rightfully and lawfully convicted, and has access to the best defense possible? Surely no one wants to give aid and comfort to Saddam's many supporters in Iraq, giving them a reason to doubt their man's guilt, right? Clark is there in part to make sure the trial runs in accordance with the law, and that Saddam has access to every defense available.

When Saddam is convicted of crimes against humanity, I want him to have no cause for bellyaching that the trial was rigged against him. Just like I don't want to hear George W. Bush, Dick Cheney or any of the rest of the criminals currently running our country into the ground to get off on some technicality.

[win_in_06]

19. What if he gets off?

[gratuitous]

20. Hmmm, you're right; better just to summarily execute him

Can't take a chance that Saddam might get off or worse, spill the beans on how the Bushes facilitated and supported his regime.

[win_in_06]

21. I say get it over with already.

[rinsd]

23. Ramsey Clark's client list is like a who's who of mass murder...

...it's not just Saddam.

I don't think the Democrats have to worry about association with Clark, ANSWER of course does not have that luxury.

[radio4progressives]

18. No Longer Associated - RC is the Head Organizer of A.N.S.W.E.R

which should be obvious to even someone as stupid as W., has no absolutely NO association with the Democratic Party - Ramsey Clark is ANTI-WAR.

Some have tried to associate him with the RCP (revolutionary communist party) - but I think that's unfair and inaccurate, but that myth continues to be promulgated in the MSM and even among some progressive communities.

But the DP? ... absolutely not.

Too many of the Dems associate themselves as PRO-WAR - not anti-war. Most of them couldn't lick Bushe's feet fast enough, or thorough enough to prove how PRO-WAR they are.

[Freddie Stubbs]

22. Fortunatly not

Mr. Clark is so far out there that the only 'Democrat' he has recently given any support to is Lyndon LaRouche.

[High Plains]

35. What are you talking about?

[Freddie Stubbs]

38. He has supported the Exoneration of Lyndon LaRouche

http://www.schillerinstitute.org/exon/ramseyclark_ltr_95.html

[The Magistrate]

27. This Fellow Is Foolish To The Point Of Criminality, Sir

But it will not be easy to associatye him with the Democratic Party.

[sandnsea]

30. A fair trial is essential to a democracy

It is complete insanity to say you are spreading "freedom and democracy" and then trounce somebody for upholding one of the fundamentals of democracy, a fair trial with legal representation. I'm glad somebody is there. Ramsey Clark wouldn't be my first choice, but he's better than nobody at all.

[otohara]

37. Our GI Propaganda Machine in Iraq Has Probably Written Anti-Ramsey

Clark pieces for the local newspapers. Lord knows what they are writing about the "Saddam Trial".

[win_in_06]

32. This is what I mean. Repugs use this kind of stuff for campaign ads

Check out Clark's client list: Qaddafi, Miloslevic, etc

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20051206093609990005&ncid=NWS00010000000001

[High Plains]

33. No, but thanks for bringing it up.