Doonesbury-Defining Moments in Torture (Is this true... ?????

[wakeme2008]

[rooboy]

1. You mean Bush branding pledges? Yep, it's true. n/t

[Toots]

11. You think Kerry was one of those Pledges?

They both were Skull & Bones and both went about the same time...:shrug:

[WCGreen]

12. DKE and Skull and Bones are two different organizations...

Get your elitist gatherings in order before you level such charges....

:rofl:

[Toots]

13. Well that is what I get for making assumptions.

I know they both were skull & bones alumni and had heard that branding was one of their practices so jumped to conclusion... see how I am? Me bad :spank:

[WCGreen]

14. The spank... The spank.... Cool.....

Just givin' you a little shit....

[The Backlash Cometh]

16. I can't keep the hazing straight, either.

What's this about Bush having to stay naked in a coffin with another pledge? Or is that just an urban legend?

[WCGreen]

25. All I know is that the fraternities back in those days...

Tried to beat you down just like the Army Boot Camp so that you would always be loyal to the brotherhood... Or some such nonsence...

[Shallah Kali]

28. No it was solo according to one researcher - see article

George W. Bush and the Brotherhood of Death
'Secrets of the Tomb'
Skull and Bones, the Ivy League, and the Hidden Paths of Power
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/09.23A.msnbc.bonse.htm

George W., Knight of Eulogia
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2000/05/robbins.htm

I remember reading the atlantic article back when their archive was free. It was rather interesting...

[rox63]

15. They were two years apart

Kerry graduated 2 years before Bush, so they were not in S & B together. Members are in for their senior year only.

[LittleWoman]

17. Kerry is older than Bush

and was ahead of him in school so he would be more likely to have been the brander rather than the brandee. I suspect that he was neither.

[acmavm]

2. Yes, the guy millions of numbskulls thought of as an affable idiot, a guy

they could go out and have a beer with, was, is and always will be a sadistic creep.

[tenshi816]

3. Yes, and he used to

blow up frogs with firecrackers too.

Just think, these are the things we know about. I wonder what we don't know about the lying psycho.

[Chalco]

18. Killing animals is a sign of serious psychopathology.

I didn't know this about his blowing up frogs. You'll see that whenever serial killers are clinically evaluated they are always asked about killing animals when they were younger. Ick, Yuck, etc.

[tavalon]

24. Now you know why

I call Bush Ted Bundy, only with money and power. Sociopaths are so damn similar to each other.

[TheModernTerrorist]

30. but not everyone

that blows up frogs is a serial killer.

...just playing Devil's Advocate :-)

[ProudDad]

32. george w

sure grew up to be a serial killer.

He uses the military to do his dirty work.

[Bozita]

31. Check the Gail Sheehy article in Vanity Fair on Bush's dyslexia

A short-bus student rules the world.

[0007]

4. If junior is a very spooky boy, what does that say about the morans

that support him?

[Karenina]

22. They gave him THIS to play with

[Neil Lisst]

5. He's a superfreak, superfreak. He's superfreaky.

No doubt.

[baldguy]

6. So, when they tell you the atrocities committed at Abu Graibe

are nothing more that "college pranks" - this is what they mean.

[SpiralHawk]

7. Bush family "Christian" values

k & r

[bklyncowgirl]

8. Gary Trudeau was at Yale around the same time GW was there.

He knows all the sordid dirt from Dear Leader's college years.

[JerseygirlCT]

27. Exactly. nt

[Doctor_J]

9. YEs, and as everyone knows, he blew up frogs as a kid

That is one seriously disturbed man in the WH. I think the drugs and booze keep us out of the worst of the danger though.

[pat_k]

20. Criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder

Diagnostic Criteria:

Antisocial Personality Disorder

Conduct Disorder

One criterion for antisocial personality disorder is evidence of conduct disorder before 15.

From Conduct Disorder

(4) has been physically cruel to people
(5) has been physically cruel to animals

From Antisocial Personality (enphasis mine)

(2) deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
(3) impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
(5) recless disregard for saftey of self or others
(6) consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations
(7) lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another

[DemoTex]

10. Bu$h: Psychopath then, psychopath now.

Bu$h has long exhibited a mental disorder marked by egocentric and antisocial behavior. Factor in his drug/alcohol abuse, and he is a ticking time-bomb.

[pat_k]

19. It's great to see this story finally spreading

Back in 2004, Trudeau reported this in a Rolling Stone interview:

=> Excerpts

=> Interview

[wakeme2008]

23. Thanks for the link

"Bush has created more harm to this country's standing and security than any president in history," Trudeau said. "What a shame the world has to suffer the consequences of Dubya not getting enough approval from Dad."

[indigo32]

36. Wow

that is an inciteful quote.

[MountainLaurel]

37. If I could nominate a single post

This would be it.

:scared:

[RedEarth]

34. thanks for the link

[warrens]

21. Keep in mind, it's not torture

Unless it causes organ failure or death. Other than that, anything goes.

[DemoTex]

26. Torture: Not for the feint of heart. I should know. Dick Cheney, VP.

[tom22]

29. Gary Trudeau was at Yale just a couple

of Years after Bush. He started his comic strip at the Yale Daily News. My money says it is true. he would know.

[Dunvegan]

33. For tavalon...

...Bush / Bundy: Separated at Birth?

[Bridget Burke]

35. The DKE "ceremony" was the subject of a very early Trudeau cartoon.

Published in the Yale paper, I believe. His draftsmanship was fairly crude, but he was already satirizing the silly rich boys. He was not exactly a poor boy, himself--but he found more interesting ways to be silly.