Dick Morris laying out Campaign Points Condi Vs. Hillary (on C-Span)

[radio4progressives]

let me preface by making it clear that I have no affection for Morris and his idealogical proclivities, nor do give him points for credibility on facts - HOWEVER - what everyone involved in floating nominees for the '08 campaign should do is to get a reality check and watch this video on C-Span.

He's laying out exactly what can be expected when Hillary Clinton officially throws in her hat for presidential run which she's already campaign for (now) in '08.

He's right about the African American vote and how that will ultimately be changed for ever when Rice steps into to run against her. Also, apparently Hillary Clinton's current Senate record is not exactly something she can brag about in a presidential campaign, despite the fact that she enjoys huge popularity in that state.

I see this video with Dick Morris as an important preview of what lies ahead should Democrats fail to come up with someone OTHER than Hillary that can compete (and win) a campaign against Mccain or Condi Rice.

We need someone that is NOT a Senator, either a Latino (man or woman) or African American(man or woman)to run in the '08 election.

Every name that is constantly floated on the DU site is guaranteed to lose a presidential campaign in '08.

it is time for the Dems to get some real vision NOW.

Hillary might be popular to a lot of people, but she will most definitely lose against Rice. And despite the fact that Rice is one of the leading architects of this evil Iraq War policy, will be the next president, unless the Dems come up with a person of color that has the charisma and intellect, and statesmanship of Barrack Obama if there is another from "out of no where"..(although I'll say Obama would be the one person I'd be willing to the break the "No Senator" rule).

I urge DU'rs to please challenge the assumptions that Hillary is our "best hopeful" - and start to seek and demand someone who can bring what we really want to the ticket in terms of the issues that we care about, and one that can withstand the kind of evil, swift boating attacks from the Karl Rove's and Dick Morris's the repukelicans will certainly bring to bear in the 2008 campaign.

[OzarkDem]

1. I think the R ticket is going to be McCain-Rice

Then they'll hope this prompts the Dems to vote for Hillary, who, unless things turn around, would lose.

[Brundle_Fly]

3. McCain wouldnt pick a Neo-Con

he knows the country is moving to the middle, he would pick someone more to the middle.

[Yupster]

34. My guess is

McCain - Kay Bailey Hutchison

[HockeyMom]

5. Condi is nothing more than a Bush PUPPET

Woman or not, black or chartreuse. I am not exactly thrilled with my Senator, but I still would vote for her over Condi.

[radio4progressives]

13. You and I know that. but the bushevics ADORE her... n/t

[thebigidea]

33. nah - she's really a nonentity. I see no huge grassroots love of Rice.

[Yupster]

35. I agree

And I don't see any indication that she wants to run.

[Catrina]

24. I'm assuming Condi Rice will be under indictment by

then, maybe even tried and convicted.

Her thousand dollar shoe shopping tripwhile poor, black American citizens drowned and died for lack of water, should finish her off with even the remaining 2% of blacks who currently support the radical rightwing Republican party.

If she's not in jail where she belongs, I hope she does run so that we can remind the public of her total disdain for the people of this country ~ pictures of her dining and theater-going on the third day of a national tragedy ought to help us do that.

As far as Hillary, one thing that might get her elected is the prospect of Bill being back in the WH. He's very popular here and abroad. Plus, the fact that it would most likely give freepers a collective heart-attack to see Bill back, is almost a good enough reason to vote for her.

As for the scum known as 'Dick' (why so many dicks in the Republican Party?) Morris, every time I see him (before I grab the remote) I visualize him whining, snivelling and begging for forgiveness for his little adventure with the prostitute who he allowed to listen in to a conversation he was having with the POTUS. I wonder still, why he wasn't prosecuted for that violation of trust at such a high level of government, simply to impress a woman he had to pay to have sex him.

And why does the media never replay, over and over again, that video in case anyone forgets who they are listening to when that slime opens his foul mouth? They had no problem playing the Dean tape over and over.

I would love to get some of that video of him sliming and whining his way around the daily, tabloid, talk shows, begging for forgiveness so that he could get back to making money smearing people whose shoes he isn't fit to shine!! It should be shown each time he rears his ugly head. It's dangerous to one's health to even accidentally catch a glimpse of that piece of human trash!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Anything Dick Morris says can safely be ignored.

He's more full of shit than a whole city of Porta-Potties, and his obsession with Hillary Clinton has progressed from annoying to downright pathological. Dick the Toe-Sucker will not be choosing the 2008 nominee. While I, too, don't want the nominee to be Hillary, the fact that he's so convinced it will be her gives me great hope that it won't.

[Binka]

4. Please Go Lie Down

The adults are resting.

[leetrisck]

6. Rice will win nothing - South will never vote for her

They would vote Hillary before her. We mustn't kid ourselves. Hillary will make a helluva good candidate. Morris doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

[TheCowsCameHome]

16. You got that right - Hell will freeze over first. (I hope she DOES run)

[cobaindrain]

44. south won't vote for Hillary either

I think you'd see Libertarian Candidate X win some states in the south, assuming he's a white male.

[pinto]

7. It's a loooong way to '08 and Mr. Morris is one bizarre media character.

Let's see who steps up after the '06 elections.

[radio4progressives]

9. Hillary is campaigning for '08 right now - in several states.

California, Mississippi, Iowa among those that I know about. Susan Eldridge was on C-Span just before Dick Morris, laying it out too, confirming that Hillary was currently campaigning (albeit unofficially)for the presidential run.

[pinto]

18. I don't hear much here in CA, but, that's her prerogative. Still say let's

see what happens after the '06 elections...I think the House/Senate campaigns are a lot more pressing right now than the Prez campaign after that.

[Teaser]

8. Condi is not running. Period.

nt

[radio4progressives]

11. LOL! that's just as funny as people saying that Hillary isn't running..

get freaking real. these campaigns, though flying under the radar, are currently underway through surrogates (like Dick Morris)or through the media - like the speculations of pundits on Cable shows, C-Span and DU.

[Teaser]

12. Condi is not running. Period.

There's a reason why, too.

[radio4progressives]

15. Well, what's your case? n/t

[high density]

55. Morris wants to sell his book, that's why he's yacking it up

I can't see Condi ever becoming the Republican nominee. I just don't see what she brings to the table. I don't know any women that like her.

I hope Hillary is smart enough to stay out of the race as well. Any "support" she has right now is mostly generated by the corporate owned media or name recognition. She seems like a bad candidate since I can't imagine what red state she is going to turn blue.

[TheCowsCameHome]

19. I hope she does just as long as she loses.

[spooked911]

22. Indeed-- she is NOT a politician

and I don't think she would ever be eleted to major office (without some sort of major overahul, which I doubt is going to happen).

[Cha]

10. I can't see this country voting

that neocon hag into the wh..chimp fatigue.

And I do not want the press much less dickhead morris choosing my candidate for me..ol' sucktoes.

[mzmolly]

14. Will Republican neanderthals support a "Black Woman" for President?

Or a woman, period I for that matter? If I were a republican I'd be very concered about this - especially Red State support for Condi Rice.

I'd like to see some polls that might give a clue.

So far everyone has Hillary and Condi competing for the presidency and I don't think it's going to shake out that way. Were going to end up with the typical two white male scenario.

[TheCowsCameHome]

17. Morris likes to sniff women's feet - he's having a little fantasy moment

[TankLV]

20. Hillary 's not running now, nor campaigning, except for her NY seat.

It's Dick Morris, for chrissake - not exactly a trusted source or one having a track record of good predictions.

This is complete bullshit.

I have seen no evidence of it.

[radio4progressives]

27. Democratic Functionaries said she is, and was just on before Morris

Susan Esteridge talked all about Hillary's presidential campaign at a book event, which was broadcast on C-Span just before Dick Morris book event.

Esteridge cited several events and talked a bit about Hillary's strategy.. A few of these events I knew about, but i didn't know that Clinton had the Iowa Caucus come to New York. Lot's of campaigning going on out of state - and on line for the '08 elections.

so, you can research the facts for yourself, or bury your head in the sand. whatever works for you.

As for me, I'm trying to persuade people to challenge the notion that Hillary should be the next presidential nominee representing the Democratic Party.

I'm suggesting that we should find someone else and end the nightmare that her candidacy will bring on.

[Yupster]

36. Read Susan Estrich's book

"The Case for Hillary"

According to her she is doing everything step by step that a presidential candidate does.

Also read her book for another reason.

It's just chock full of political insider tidbits that we type of people eat up.

Frinstance,

When Geraldine Ferraro got the VP nomination, she was first told that the nomination had already been decided in favor of Diane Feinstein, but then the campaign called and said Feinstein was out and it was down to Ferraro or Michael Dukakis.

Can you imagine a Mondale-Dukakis ticket?

When Estrich was on TV day after day throughout the whole Lewinsky mess, she was one of the few in the country who knew the truth. Early in the process, she asked Clinton what the truth was and he told her.

[Canuckistanian]

21. Morris is lamost always wrong

I remember seing an article somehere saying that all, every single one of Morris' predictions were wrong.

[radio4progressives]

29. and Susan Estridge is almost always wrong too....

it just happens that it is widely known that Hillary is running and raising money now for a presidential run in '08.

Apparently she has huge support in New York, that she doesn't have to run much of a campaign for her senate seat for '06, because she virtually faces no meaningful opposition.

Meaning that the significant amount of fund raising that she is doing is out of state, and obviously for the '08 run.

I told hold much stock in what Estridge generally predicts either. (After all she ran the Dukakis campaign) I'm not crediting her for her forcasting, I'm giving a bit of credence to events that have already transpired, as only "insiders" know about.

Always remember that even broken clocks are accurate twice a day. ;)

[pretzel4gore]

23. surely rice will be in jail!

the damn war she helped foist on the american people cost what? and the pos gets away with it? (if she does, then the usa has been truly conquered, and the pigmedia is just entertaining the fat people)
btw hillary clinton was a goldwater supporter back in the day; she also voted for the iraq war, despite knowing full well bush never won the 2k election (the litmus test the so called democrats will pooh pooh over next few years will be their understanding of the sheer criminal behavior of the busheviks; al gore as much as said he will not be part of any situation that invokes the 2k election, because he's afraid of exposing the hocus pocus potus, and his class loyalty apparently trumps his solidarity with the american people, or maybe he's afraid of bloodshed)

[GoldenOldie]

25. Sorry! It's hard to look or listen to Morris without a bad image

of a fat old fart sucking on a blonde bimbo's toes. His 15-minutes of fame was over long ago.

[pretzel4gore]

28. the fact he's on national tv means usa is in bad trouble

bush, morris, the iraq war just symptomatic; the real problem is a ruling economic elite who are dumb and getting dumber by the minute....notice that GM announced 30k job cuts but dow jones added 50 points! impossible, but not in georgebushamerikkka! the pigmedia represents the pig's wishes, and THAT'S ALL!

[radio4progressives]

30. I only wish she would be indicted... but notice how no one mentions her

name in the CIA Leak probe, even though it was the office of the NSA together with Cheney's office that was all over this?

it means she's being given cover and she'll come through this without a scratch.

and a record that she'll be able to hold up for a presidential campaign.

[Frances]

26. I don't think Hillary will win the Dem nomination.

nt

[Donna Zen]

32. I think that is guaranteed she'll win.

Ed Randell has been speaking openly about the nomination belonging to Hillary. Power...insider levers...and money. Don't forget the money. I was told in 2004 that 2008 belonged to Hillary. The DCCC is positioning Clinton loyalists.

Yes, I knew that she'd had a little party for the Iowa delegation. Why is Bill starting a million initiatives and appearing weekly on TV? Where was he during those mean years when during the Patriot Act, environmental degradation, and the run-up to war.

Besides, the DLC is behind her. Who could ask for anything more?

[Yupster]

37. Agree Donna

I think the day she announces, the press will begin their 24 hour Hillary watch, and the average Democratic primary voter won't even know there is anyone else running for the nomination when they go in the election booth.

If she wants it, it's hers.

[Frances]

48. I'm curious

How many elections have you experienced?

One thing about getting older is that you get lots of experience.

This far from an election, how many people thought Jimmy Carter would get the nomination? How many people would have put money on Bill Clinton? And I certainly didn't predict John Kerry would be the nominee.

Right now if I were a betting person, I would put money on Mark Warner getting the nomination.

Why? Because Democrats are hungry for a win, and most Democrats don't think Hillary can make it all they way to the White House. Plus, most people are tired of the country being divided and we all know that about half the country will always hate Hillary, even though I don't think she deserves to be hated.

Mark Warner will campaign on the theme that he was able to work with a Republican legislature in a Red State. I think that and the fact that he inherited a financial mess from the previous Republican governor and straightened that mess out will resonate with voters worried about the deficit that Bush will leave the next president.

[Yupster]

52. Yup, I have lots of experience

problem is I don't remember a lot of it.

I looked at the filed in 1992 and expected Clinton to cruise to the nomination. In my opinion the only serious opposition he had was Bob Kerrey and Clinton took him out early (partly with a low blow with the gay joke thing).

Jimmy Carter was truly a surprise as he had a revolutionary campaign technique. I wondered if Howard Dean would be the next Jimmy Carter. Carter did face a weak field in 76 though. I guess Mo Udall would be his biggest serious competitor. I think Scoop Jackson was too far right for the Democratic Party as certainly was Gerge Wallace, his other competitor.

I see Hillary as more of a Bob Dole type election.

He was next in line and every Republican primary voter knew he was an awful candidate but he had name ID and they voted for him anyway.
I see Hillary as a much stronger candidate than Dole, but a similar situation. Everyone's heard of her. The TV is talking about her every minute, so they'll vote for her.

That's my opinion anyway. I've been wrong before.

And no, I'm no where near young, but thanks for the thought anyway.

[Frances]

58. When you say that the TV is talking about her every minute

so they'll vote for her, I don't agree. The TV was talking about Howard Dean every minute and yet Dems voted for Kerrey because they thought he could win. I think Dems will do the same thing this time.

Many Dems will think that Hillary would make a good president and people like my daughter want a woman president, but I think the desire to win back the White House will trump both those cards.

So unless Dems think Hillary can go all the way, I don't think they'll support her in the primary. Of course, it's possible that she'll say she intends to choose Obama or someone equally charismatic to be her vp and that will influence people's votes. Anyway, as I see it, it's too early to be sure who will win the nomination.

[RebelOne]

42. I do hope she does run and wins.

I would love to see a woman president in my lifetime.

[vickie]

31. Dick Morris is mentally ill. His obsession w/ the Clintons is

psychotic. Who says Rice (if she runns) will get a lot of black votes? If she does run, all any opponent will have to do is wrap Bush around her neck and we know how (all but 2%) blacks feel about him...

[radio4progressives]

40. I guarantee you any Democratic Nominee will refuse to go there..

No Democratic nominee will have the courage to be straightforward enough to make these points clear. We will have even more mealy mouthed campaign rhetoric than in past campaigns.

[BenDavid]

38. The allure of having an African-

American on the ticket, either ticket for that matter comes down to the right choice at the right time...Condi is not the right choice, and it sure is not the right time for her. All you have to do to blow Condi and her lies out of the water is replay over and over again her statements about the leadup to the Iraq war. Her appearance at the 9-11 hearings, and all the other lies she has put forth. Just because she is African-American will not play whether it be in the south or the north. As noted in other posts McCain is now trying to wriggle himself in a position to convince independants and modern democrats that he is not conservative. We have to blow the allure of McCain out of the water too, and convince the mediawhores that McCain is not the person.

All I can say to my friends here on the forum, whether it be Hillary or someone else as our candidate in 08, we have to get behind whomever it is. We cannot half ass support our candidate. Whomever the right puts up they will try to convince all others of something their candidate is not, and the best expample of that is bush.... Oh the mediawhores tried too, successful I might add that it did not matter bushit was not the smartest man in the room to be elected president, but now we see it does take someone with the intellectual capacity to lead this great country.

I still believe, no I should say, I know that Hillary is married to the smartest political mind I have ever witnessed in Bill Clinton. If she decides to run, I have faith she will make the right decisions in the campaign. There will be no Bob Schrum or Mary Beth Cahill this no around. If she is our candidate those in charge of running her campaign will convince others Hillary is the best qualified and by convincing all those others of this. Not some historical event about the first woman elected president.The most qualified person.

The idea on the right that she is a woman, an un-qualified woman will not be the issue, because our side will not get into that debate because we will be putting forth, she is the most qualifed. Nor anything the right tried to bring up against her during the 90's. We have to agree that Hillary Clinton is the most investigation woman in U S history and there was nothing back then and there is nothing now they on the right can use against her....

Oh they will use the LIBERAL LIBERAL LIBERAL like a stuck record, but it will not play, and try to use her words of It takes a village against her, but damn folks look around to us that recalls our childhood and think about the neighbors that looked after us as we played in their yards and ran all over the neighborhood and everyone looked after us. Yes the neighborhood we grew up in was our village and I am happy my village did so and did the same for my children and now their children.....

Whomever our candidate, WE support him or her. To all that says they are tired of Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton...Well hell what do you want. Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush.....SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE!

[radio4progressives]

39. I disagree with every point you make.

No point in enumerating them, as I think the very premise of your argument is dangerous thinking in the sense is that there is no vision, no acknowledgement of the crises our constitution, indeed our democracy, the breaking down of that foundation began in the Clinton administration but was taken to the extremes in this administration. no acknowledgement that the Right Wing Fascists will manage to paint Condi Rice as the ultimate "Statesman" - already crediting her with the "successes" in the Middle East and so forth.

And if people think that another Clinton administration is going to anything but reinforce the notion of dynasty style leadership in this country - founded on principles antithetical to that paradigm, I'm not sure how there can be any hope for the future of this party if this continues to be the prevailing vision.

[Cosmocat]

41. Bunk ...

WHY do you think that there is an anti-Hillary book coming out at the pace of one ever other month ??? Cause the right is scared to death of here ... And, while people might want to get their pants in a bunch by saying it, the people on the far left who don't like her are buying the crap that only the the far right is buying ...

You saw Dick Morris, I saw the lady before him who wrote one of the few pro Hillary books going, and I will buy where she is coming from ...

First, Hillary is sharp ... SHARP ... If you listen to her speak, she has such a positive view of what America can be, and after the Bushco we are going to die from terrorists 24-7 rantings for eight years, people are going to want to hear a more positive message ...

She has all kinds of political savvy, and as noted, she will have the best possible campaign manager, the Big Dog ... There will be NOTHING they can find new to slime her with two years from now ... It will all have been replayed 100 times, and like Idiot Son, people won't care any more ... Conversely, unlike Kerry and Gore, BC won't be afraid to attack back ...

Condi ??? PLEASE !!!

All Condi has in public service is international stuff, and her big item is Iraq ... Again, people will know full out what Iraq was, and putting out her selling of the Iraq lie would just cripple her ...

Your worried about the Black vote ??? You honestly think minorities are going to relate to a prudish witch who was buying 300 dollar shoes four days into Hurrican Wilma ... You have to give African Americans just a little more credit than that ... Hillary has more general appeal, and again, Bill has even more, to minorities than Condi will without a SERIOUS makeover ... Any Condi candidacy will come off as yet another in a string of woefully pathetic half baked attempts by the right to appeal to minorities, but their actions ALWAYS supercede whatever superficial BS they try in that regard ...

Finally, as many noted, NOT A CHANCE the Rs put an African American on the ticket ... Just as the Ds lost the south over civil rights in the 60s, the Rs would lose their stranglehold on the "red states" by putting an african american up, much less an african american woman ...

[FredScuttle]

43. I love it

a pasty white, has-been hack consultant who's last moment of genius was to suck on the hooker's piggy toe instead of her big toe presumes to forecast what the African-American vote will be. How laughable...blacks will vote for the reincarnated Lester Maddox before they vote for Condi.

[rndmprsn]

45. when the rethug base finds out she is a lesbian they will never vote for..

her, add the fact that she is black and she loses the southern conservative vote...add the fact that she is a part of this failure of an admin and she loses the moderate vote...i just don't see her even coming close.

please people do not take these comments the wrong way, i am not racist, or anti-gay, so please put the flame-throwers away...i am merely pointing out some uncomfortable facts that will be brought up if she decides to run.

peace

[ChiciB1]

46. Getting Your Feathers Ruffled Over ANYTHING That

DICK says is wasted energy! Too many Dick's around these days!

And please let us all say our prayers that it won't be HILLARY!!

[AtomicKitten]

47. I urge DU'ers to not make predictions.

Dick Morris is pulling this out of his ass and so is everybody else making predictions. Morris despises the Clintons; anything he says about them has that stink.

If you don't like Hillary, which clearly you don't, please stop these manipulative attempts to persuade others based on best guesses. Consulting an Ouija board has as much resonance. Rather find yourself someone you can back and work for them.

I despise politics of destruction rather than focusing on a candidate's strengths and what they have to offer. That's doing the work for the Republicans and I'll be dammed if I'm going to assist them in any way.

[marions ghost]

49. Hillary is being used I think...

The Right is pushing her now...mainly to consolidate their irrational Hillary-hating base for 2006. There is hardly anything that unites Rush Limpballs fans more than Fear and Loathing of Hillary Clinton (esp with the threat of 2 Clintons back in the White House in '08). This tells you how bad the Repugs are doing-- that they have to play the Hillary card right now.

Whatever you think of Hillary, it's moot. She's already been made radioactive as a presidential candidate. Things are so bad for Hillary that if she actually got the nomination, I would BE SURE the election was rigged. I think there is no way the Democratic party will nominate Hillary for President. The Repugs would just LOVE the opportunity to swiftboat her and unite their base. Although I think she could handle the job well enough (or at least as well as her competitors), I don't think she has a chance. I agree with those who say we liberals should not perpetuate the rightwing hype of a Hillary Clinton nomination.

As for a Hillary-Condi matchup, that's just media hype. Media fantasy. Fun idea, but no basis in reality.

[Neil Lisst]

50. Condi Rice will NEVER get the Republican nomination.

Dick Morris dreamed up an idea for a book, wrote it, and now he's promoting it. I respect aggressive self-promotion, but he's selling books and getting himself face time on the tube.

The Republican party doesn't have a single black congressperson in either House of Congress.

They ain't nominating her, any more than they were nominating Colin Powell, who stands head and shoulders above her in every way.

[radio4progressives]

53. Good Point about no Republican Congressmembers or Senators..

If that puts this notion to rest once and for all, that will be fine by me.. I still say the Dems should find a person of color(right now I like Obama) for the '08 elections to head the ticket. I think that will be a major breakthrough and bury the repukes with their agressive and smarmy tactics to "win the black vote".

[mmonk]

51. They won't give up with their canard, will they?

[allisonthegreat]

54. they actually

Let him on C-Span...How upsetting!

[Neil Lisst]

56. Hillary has 7% support here, so what are we are supposed to do?

Hunt them down?

I think Hillary is about as marginalized and she can get at DU. I don't think she can win against any Republican, so that ends the story there for me.

I think the eventual nominee in 2008 will be one of these:

Al Gore
John Kerry
John Edwards
Joe Biden
Evan Bayh

If Gore runs, I think he'll be the favorite.

[flordehinojos]

57. o, pleeeeeaaaaazzzzzzze!

[warrens]

59. Toesucker hasn't been right about anything since triangulation

He has a Hillary fetish, and everything has to be about Hillary. Pay the weirdo no attention.

[InaneAnanity]

60. Mark Warner

Mark Warner is the guy to pick in '08. I agree that Hillary can't win. The Republicans want her to run because she won't win.

Mark Warner would win. He should be the candidate.

[newyawker99]

62. Hi InaneAnanity!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[SONUVABUSH]

61. BS

Neither one will be nominated.