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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 12:35 AM
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Cheney friends describeVP as if total political freedom brought on madness
Edited on Fri Nov-25-05 12:36 AM by dajoki
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Cheney's Dreadful Lack of Ambition
We'd be better off if the vice president were running in 2008.
By John Dickerson

<<snip>>

The theory in 2000 was this: With no political ambition, Cheney could dive into the details of policy and do the right thing without having to worry about how it might hurt him for his next campaign. He would never have to separate himself from the president and therefore could be a trusted adviser. (Cheney's loyalty was a crucial selling point for George W. Bush, who had watched selfish aides undermine his father's presidency.)

Five years later, it looks a little different. Just because Cheney lacks a personal political ambition doesn't mean he's lacked a personal ideological agenda. He has been able to pursue that agenda without compromise. He followed his determined ideas for strengthening the executive branch and America's place in the world with no fear of political damage. Since he didn't need Congress or the press as much as he might have if he were a potential candidate, Cheney dismissed them almost the minute he came back to Washington. His energy task force operated in secret and told no one about its operations. Congress and outside groups sued to gain access and lost. When it came time for war, he stepped up his calls for executive authority, endorsing detention and interrogation policies that became the focus of international condemnation. His overly dire predictions about Saddam Hussein's weapons and optimistic ones about the progress of the Iraq war undermined his credibility. His approval rating now stands at 36 percent.

Disillusioned former Cheney friends describe the Veep as if the total political freedom brought on madness. "I consider Cheney a good friend," former National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft told The New Yorker. "I've known him for thirty years. But Dick Cheney I don't know anymore." Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill described to author Ron Suskind seeking guidance from the vice president about how to improve debate within the White House. He got grumbles, and then it hit him. "I realized why Dick just nodded along when I said all of this, over and over, and nothing ever changed," O'Neill said. "This is the way Dick likes it."

Cheney didn't have to stay on message. He suggested Iraq might have had links to the attacks on 9/11 even though President Bush denied such ties. When asked if the insurgency would be a problem after the war, he declared that it would not because American soldiers would be greeted as liberators. More recently, he suggested that the insurgency was in its "last throes." Not true, said military advisers. If Cheney had to worry about his political future he would have realized that future voters hearing about explosions every night on the news would have found such an assertion absurd on its face. But he didn't have to worry about having his rosy assessment thrown back at him in a future presidential debate.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 12:46 AM
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1. Probably too charitable--Cheney has always been...
... crazy as a shithouse rat. Always.
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Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 01:33 AM
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4. I agree. n/t
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 01:01 AM
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2. The only thing cheney has ever wanted.......
Is unbridled power. That's what he's aimed for all this time, and it's within his grasp, thanks to this administration.

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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 01:13 AM
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3. too close n/t
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:43 AM
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10. I guess when you've already stolen billions of dollars and
are one of the richest people on earth, it must all get kind of boring and you have to look for something else to get all excited about.

How nice that soldiers' lives can provide this man a hedge against feeling that his life is boring and meaningless, and whole countries can be nice toys to keep him happy while Mama Lynne makes dinner...
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 01:47 AM
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5. I have several comments here -
1) Cheney has been in the news a lot lately. That's good. I suspect that Cheney does not like to be in the limelight, or even appear at speeches and meetings. He probably does it only out of sheer desperation, that the whole damn presidency is taking on water. I've noticed that Cheney looks really bad lately. His hair has become thinner, and it's snow-white. His skin is pasty white, he looks like he never goes outside, ever. Get this man out in public, all day every day. This man is seriously deranged, and I think the public is starting to figure that out.

2) I completely disagree with the author above, that "Cheney lacks political ambition". Cheney IS ALL ABOUT ambition. And I mean to the point where you should eliminate the competition, kill people if you need to. That's the level that this man operates.

3) Something has seriously happened to this country that ONE MAN can run the entire show. All the time, you read about Cheney's policy, or "Cheney decided", or "Cheney's taskforce". How is it possible that a democracy could be turned into a monarchy, with a king making all the decisions?

4) Cheney is mentally unhinged. I have absolutely no doubt about this. He's pushing as hard as he can to make sure the U.S. tortures people. Cheney is a self-loathing closet gay. He's acting out his fantasies and obsessions on the world. A web site recently called him "America's Marquis de Sade".




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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 01:58 AM
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6. even more dangerous...
Just because Cheney lacks a personal political ambition doesn't mean he's lacked a personal ideological agenda.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 04:13 AM
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8. Good analysis, Cliss! I agree. This is what happens to people who...
...are given (or take) power they don't deserve (in Cheney's case, two stolen elections; power derived strictly from money, not from merit). They become megalomaniacs and tyrants; delusional, cruel--or the megalomania, tyrannical tendencies, delusion and cruelty that already characterize them become worse, take over their personalities and push out all human empathy and ethical judgment. History has told us the tragedy of undeserved power time and again. The Constitution was designed to prevent it, but has been amazingly subverted, by both Cheney and Bush, and those behind them. Our democracy is hanging by the thinnest of threads right now--the THEORETICAL power of the legislative and judicial branches to curtail these men, and the only THEORETICAL sovereignty of the people and right to throw off tyrants, which has been gravely subverted by Bush partisan electronic voting companies. They have shown what horror they can unleash with their power over the U.S. military and intelligence agencies. Their possession of nuclear weapons is truly scary.

The good people in this country--the sane, the progressive majority--are having to lurch from one crisis to another, trying to prevent or mitigate a continual succession of outrageous actions by these tyrants, from having to throw conniption fits just to get the government to NOT let people die of hunger and neglect in a disaster, to preventing the appointment of a total nincompoop toady to the Supreme Court, to trying to get secret torture prisons stopped, to trying to investigate and prosecute unbelievable crimes, such as the treasonous outing of a CIA agent, against the non-stop lying and spin of the Bush-Cheney White House.

There is no room left to address global warming--or other signs of the collapse of our planetary ecosystem. There is no room left to address potential financial meltdown caused by disastrous tax cuts, completely unaccountable military spending, and the crimes of unregulated global corporate predators.

I don't think we should necessarily focus on personalities--because I think what we have here is a cabal, more than an individual madman. Take Rumsfeld, for instance. I find him even scarier than Cheney, as a matter of fact. Cheney's pathology is just a symptom of a larger problem: that it is in the interest of certain powers--for instance, the war profiteering corporate news monopolies--to destroy our democracy. The Fourth Estate should have prevented these men from gaining power--most certainly in 2004, if not in 2000--and failed to do so. The signs of tyranny were/are blatant and many. Yet the news organizations have gone out of their way to cover up for this junta--indeed, to promote it. Our government is in fact being run by war profiteers--Cheney among them--to an extent that it has never been before, even in WW II. (FDR and Truman would be appalled at the massive looting that has been going on under this junta.)

The Democratic Party leadership also bears some responsibility. They should have cried foul at certain points (for instance, when Bushite companies took over the election system), and did not--likely more for reasons of corruption, or fear, than collusion, but the effect is the same. The people have no advocate; no one working in their interest to counter these criminals and expose them, and remove them from office.

These conditions seem to be changing, to some extent--probably because of the junta's extremism. (--I don't believe in their incompetence; I think they are doing exactly what they want to do, in every case--and that their overall motivator is short term greed, on a grand scale.) (That's why they have no "plan" in Iraq.) We are seeing acknowledgment of their failures; acknowledgment of their unpopularity (that must be hard for the corporate news monopolies to admit, since their prime goal, for several years now, has been to create the illusion that these criminals have support); and the apparent success of the "white hat" military and intelligence establishments to at least slow these tyrants down and circumscribe their actions. But we'll see. Widening of the Mideast war still threatens. And fundamental change cannot really occur until we restore the transparency of our elections and begin to get more non-corrupt, non-collusive representatives.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 12:17 PM
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13. What an awesome post....
it's printable. I'm nominating this thread for giving all the answers.

Thanks.
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Freedomfried Donating Member (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 03:27 AM
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7. Cheney is bald, fat, ugly, sick and one miserable motherfucker
the only pleasure he gets is fucking over people he doesn't like.

Thats your VP in a nutshell.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 07:15 AM
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9. You left out greedy.
He and his wife have amassed around $140 Million and he still grasps for more.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:46 AM
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11. Bill Press just called Cheney "Lord Voldemart" on C-Span
"The name that shall not be spoken" :rofl:
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:17 AM
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12. Can't we just appoint him VP for life
:shrug: He is the face of America and I am just sooo proud...:sarcasm:
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 11:49 PM
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14. Worth the read. nt
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