MSNBC Presidential Debate Thread #1

[slinkerwink]

Tune in, watch the fireworks, and discuss.

[Sam Lowry]

1. Yo, Dean is blowing it!

Yo!

[in_cog_ni_to]

3. Stop it! Leave it alone! n/t

[slinkerwink]

2. kick

[TexasPatriot]

4. I liked the Chris Matthews debate prequel

i dont think they said the word Clark.... but man they spent 3 minutes talking about what Lieberman needs to do to get into the game.

Freaks

[Jack_Dawson]

5. I'm at work - TELL ME IF CLARK KICKS SOMEBODY'S ASS

Cause I'm fucking fed-up with his treatment and hopefully so is he. I'm having anger management problems today.

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[BootinUp]

6. Tweety on now with Abrahams - Pre-debate

They just talked about every candidate except Clark...ho-hum..looks like they got the ignore memo.

Of course they talked about Clark and terrorists connections a few minutes ago.

Honestly, I can't believe it....debate starting now....

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. Ack!

I dread this. :(

[madmax]

13. I hear ya - pass the Bailey's

:hi:

[killbotfactory]

8. webcast here

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3339766

Bottom right of the page

[Stephanie]

29. Any other links for this?

The MSNBC one won't work for me - can't download all that MS crap on my work machine, and it's required to view video.

[slinkerwink]

9. damn, there are empty seats in the audience.

[Myra]

10. Thanks for starting this thread slinkerwink. Good luck *everyone*!

Kick Bush's ass.

[Joe the Revelator]

11. Lots of Empty Seats nt

[newsguyatl]

12. anybody know of

an audio or vid link?

[TexasPatriot]

14. if clark can beat this

i will be VERY impressed

i really hope he can manage it.

[Myra]

17. Show 'em all why we love ya Wes!

Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AntiCoup2K4]

15. Is this debate gonna run on C-SPAN later??

I'm stuck at work for another hour and I would really like to see the whole thing :(

[xultar]

16. Good luck to all Candiates and their supporters n/t

[Myra]

18. Asking Kerry about his dissing of the South!

Yow...

[Cheswick2.0]

23. and the lying begins!

Says he never said he wasn't going to run in the south. Now he is parroting Dean. Big surprise.

[eileen_d]

60. The lying begins in your post

Kerry never said he wasn't going to run in the south, and that's the truth.

As for parrotting Dean... Dean who?

[Cheswick2.0]

yes he did say it

[eileen_d]

107. Nope - it's a matter of interpretation

You can't show me a quote of Kerry saying "I'm not running in the south."

[slinkerwink]

19. yes! brokaw brought up the kerry comment about the south!

and he's now tapdancing around the question!

[Hawkeye-X]

55. There goes the SC votes for Kerry

and the rest of the votes in the South (includes NM, AZ, and OK). THANK YOU TOM BROKAW FOR BRINGING IT UP AND SHOWING THAT KERRY IS NOT A ELECTABLE CANDIDATE!

Hawkeye-X

[eileen_d]

Bullshit.

How surprising to see DUers defend Brokaw being a media whore. I guess when it suits your purposes...

[waldenx]

20. kerry is already putting me to sleep

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Myra]

22. But he turned it around and slammed Bush! Good.

Attack Bush, not our candidates.

[spooky3]

40. very strong opening statement -- he was lucky to get to start off

[Hawkeye-X]

Slamming Bush and completely avoiding the question

of why Kerry wants to diss the South. Not a great start for Kerry, IMHO.

[Qutzupalotl]

21. Sending good vibes to my man

Give 'em hell, Wes!

[in_cog_ni_to]

Nice applause for all of them........here we go!

Kerry 1st......are you kissing off the south? Hollings fixed that. Big liberal from Mass.....a reply from a southerner. :shrug:

Hear we go Edwards answering the previous question and then he will talk 3 minutes over his time. I hope Clark does the same this time.

[Jack_Dawson]

28. Does Clark have a Podium?

Or did the "ignore memo" allow for at least that much?

[Carl Spackler]

24. Botox watch

I know this is perverse, but I'm virtually certain that Kerry's eyebrows and forehead are paralized. This would not be bad, except he pretty much flat denied botox. Expect Fox to be all over this for, say, the next 2 weeks.

[in_cog_ni_to]

56. Kucinich thinks this will go to the convention

because we have so much talent in the race. That will piss off the DNC. :7

[xultar]

25. Edwards is kicking Kerry Good!

Brokaw is talking too much,
Edwards needs to dial the mouth back just a tad,
Clark drew a space,
Brokaw is getting it all wrong about Dean's staff change

[kerry-is-my-prez]

26. All questions about b.s. and NOT about the issues - typical

n/t

[goodhue]

30. yes dumb questions

[in_cog_ni_to]

27. Clark will be LAST to get a question.

Want to bet?

[economic justice]

33. conspiracy? <eom>

[Cush]

35. getting one now

but its, "are you going to quit if you don't win a sate?"

[mlawson]

44. Typical brokaw!!! Repuke shill!

[madmax]

31. Brokow going after Dean already

You hired a lobbyist this week.

[Renew Deal]

32. Dean looks frumpy

His hair is messy.

[Stephanie]

34. Anybody got another link for this?

I can't get it through MSNBC - too many downloads required. Anyone got radio coverage?

[newsguyatl]

63. i'm looking for one too, stephanie

i can't get it thru msnbc.com either...


let me know if you find one.

[Stephanie]

115. Will do - no luck yet

I posted a thread on it

[xultar]

36. Dean doing a good job getting the debate back on message

oh some one said the word Clark...

Why should Clark get out if Edwards doesn't ...why address Clark first and lump him with Lieberman

[anti-bush]

49. Edwards got the same question

Edwards was asked the same question re:South Carolina.

[tishaLA]

37. Clark is lumped with Joe, DK, and Al?

What the fuck?

Did he come in third in NH?!

[Cush]

41. of course not

he finished in a 3 way tie for 3rd with Lieberman and his Joementum! /sarcasm

[displacedtexan]

46. Yeah, that's weird.

I hope the good general gives him holy hell!

[cthrumatrix]

38. Dean's mic sounds "bad"...anyone hear it that way?

[anti-bush]

39. Is Clark answering the question or posturing?

eom

[Carl Spackler]

47. Well Brokaw called it his "little speech"

[Carl Spackler]

53. Go Dennis!

[tishaLA]

51. I don't know what you mean by "posturing".

Can you explain?

[anti-bush]

68. I mean

He is taking the time to talk about not being a Washington Insider, rather than talking about how he will win states, where he will win, and how to move his campaign forward.


edit: missed a "not"

[xultar]

57. Clark did what he needed to do to get it back on the message

you call it posturing...take an objective look at Edwards, he does the same thing, pull it back to his message.

The moderators are asking tabloid questions.

[anti-bush]

77. sure enough

They all do this. I wish they would all answer the questions. Edwards went back to the question asked of Kerry, and talked about the south, which is (I'm being biased) a little better.

[in_cog_ni_to]

42. Yay!

Clark....if you don't win one of the next primaries will you get out? GO WES! I'm not part of the problem....woohoo kickin Washington insiders! Go Wes! He intends to win some primaries.

[spooky3]

Lieberman calls himself a moderate Dem, AZ Republic endorsed him

[xultar]

43. CLARK did great!!! what did the audience all get their hands cut off

eu I hate this whole debate thing.

Clark did great and got no applause
:grr:

[Renew Deal]

48. Not a rousing question.

[in_cog_ni_to]

67. MSNBC probably muted the audio on Clark.

:cry:

[slinkerwink]

45. lieberman, just drop out already.......

[TexasPatriot]

61. no kidding

both DK and Sharpton are using it as a platform to raise an issue - Joe is in it for Joe. He's an ass.

[economic justice]

93. WRONG

Lieberman has a very coherent position that he believes in strongly - centrist thought in the Democratic party. He has every right to stay in and advance that message. Just as much as DK and Sharpton have to stay in and advance a far-left position. Get off of Joe!

[krkaufman]

50. Brokaw sets failure expectations

Jay-sus... Way to set the impartial tone of the debate Brokaw.

Why did he have to preset opinions at the start of the debate.

Kerry... the presumptive nominee.

Dean... a man with a campaign spiraling downward, hiring a lobbyist to run his campaign.

Clark, Sharpton, Kucinich... grouped together as people who should drop out if they don't win 3-rd-8th. Clark got 3rd in NH, his *first* election since childhood.

[spooky3]

58. yes, good point. Sharpton is making it

"we act like we're in a horse race...but 75000 people have lost their jobs..."

[displacedtexan]

64. Excellent analysis!

And disgusting on Brokaw's part!
This thing is not over!

[Myra]

52. Yes Wes Yes Wes Yes Wes! Why didn't Tom Slackjaw ask Edwards

if he was dropping out???
He finished behind Clark in NH.

So BLATANT!!!!!!!!!

[Myra]

59. As usual, Rev Sharpton nails it. Nails Brokejaw's ass.

Perfectly said Rev.

[DIBL]

65. cause Brokenjaw is an ass

[spooky3]

69. come on--he got 32% of the Iowa vote and was .5% behind Clark

in NH. Brokaw was ridiculous but don't make him more ridiculous. he basically asked Edwards if he was dropping out if he didn't win Sc. That was bad enough.

[in_cog_ni_to]

76. Clark should have said THAT!

He should have called him on that bullshit question. :grr:

[anti-bush]

91. He did ask Edwards if he'd drop out if he lost South Carolina.

[Renew Deal]

54. The only state that Kucinich might get delegates is Hawaii.

I don't think he can get any anywhere else.

[goodhue]

73. NM, MI, ME, WI, WA, CA, MN

all possible states for DK delegates

[Renew Deal]

79. You have to get 15% for delegates.

It would work in the old days, but not now. Terry M. did this intentionally.

[goodhue]

99. Yes, I know

He must really win, place or show in a few of these states. Its possible.

[goodhue]

62. DK did fine by smiling but Al is standing up for issues

to big applause

[xultar]

66. AL - GO - AL!

Edwards says he's the son of a mill worker, well I'm the son of a man who couldn't be a mill worker because of the colour of his skin...


Boooh YA!

[tishaLA]

74. And he's right

Let's face it, white candidates, whatever their working class credentials, don't really understand the truthfulness of Al's statement.

[Myra]

70. Brokaw's asking about issues!!!!!!!!!!

This is unprecidented in a "debate"!!!!!!!

And *the* subject.

Let's see if Kerry sticks with the CIA scapegoat story.
Dean's giving a great answer!

[Renew Deal]

75. Bullshit

They'll never talk about issues. ;)

[manchu]

71. Gotta love AL

He has the best lines of anybody!

[RafterMan]

Is Brokaw

Bush's lawyer? Good god.

[Papa]

96. yeah, it's like a debate between brokaw and the Democrats

Good God. It's supposed to be a debate amongst the Candidates. This is ridiculous!

[Guaranteed]

72. Dean beating on CHENEY.

Unbelievable. THIS IS LEADERSHIP, FOLKS.

[Guaranteed]

86. Dean leading Kerry again.

Kerry now half-assed calling out Cheney...of course not really saying anything.

[xultar]

78. OK first debate to get to an issue question within the first 15 mins

What do you think about that. We may actually get to hear something about what the candiates think about things...

WOW

[Jack_Dawson]

82. Until it gets back to Clark and "Gotcha"ville

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

[xultar]

88. Kerry TOOK LAST RESORT from Clark.

EU I'm gonna beat the botox out of his face.
:grr:

[Myra]

80. He's asking Edwards about his IWR vote! Now Kerry I hope...

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KERRY now!

[dumpster_baby]

81. can we please get more detail in the comments? No TV where I am at! n/t

[Myra]

Sorry dumpster_baby. Edwards and Kerry just had to explain their IWR

votes. Edwards said he wanted an independent investigation.
Kerry said Bush mislead them and us.

(Hope this is accurate. I'm not trying to spin or slant.)

Leiberman's talking now...

[Myra]

112. Kucinich not letting Brokaw distort his position, interupted. Yes Dennis!

WillPitt is behind this, I just know it!

:)

[TexasPatriot]

83. Edwards just insinuated that the war was faught to

make Iraq a better place... and that's why he voted for the resolution... he's SO full of crap!!!!

[Hawkeye-X]

Edward loses SC and the rest of the primaries

just based on his pro-IWR answer! Come on people!

Hawkeye-X

[AP]

102. If Edwards gets elected, Iraq will be a better place.

[Skip Intro]

117. Then Iran? Syria? Lybia?

If he can retroacively justify an illegal invasion, then why not continue to make these other nations "better?"

[Skip Intro]

84. Edwards justifying Iraq invasion

this is my biggest problem with him

[manchu]

113. I dont like that fact about him either

but ill vote for him if need be. I like his overall message even though i dont agree with his Iraq stance.

[tishaLA]

116. Yup

[krkaufman]

85. another f-d up debate format

WHY DO WE HAVE THESE DEBATE FORMATS? the questions are not equal. one candidate gets an advantage over the others, based on who gets the "best" questions.

[Carl Spackler]

87. OK, I'm calling it. The media issue from this debate will be...

Botox.

sigh.

[Qutzupalotl]

98. Give it a rest, please.

[killbotfactory]

89. Kerry dodges Cheney question...

to bash Bush.

[killbotfactory]

Lieberman is a neocon.

What an ass.

[Hawkeye-X]

101. Kerry is doing SO bad in this debate..

someone get a hook and pull him out of the campaign!

[goodhue]

90. Kerry sounding very presidential

[displacedtexan]

103. I agree. He's not rushing his answers.

Answering globally. The world is watching every move these guys make! They hate * as much as we do.

[THUNDER HANDS]

128. Clark looks stronger tonight

All the candidates have brought their 'A' game tonight.

[Toucano]

92. Does Kerry expect me to believe he hasn't had some work done?

Maybe it wasn't botox, but there's more than a new haircut going on there.

Not that there's anything wrong with it, just don't lie about it.

[Jack_Dawson]

Botox prevents you from wrinkling your forehead

He used to. He no longer does.

[displacedtexan]

119. It's a tanning bed.

JK washes out under bastard amber lighting (standard stage lighting). He's been tanning to increase the pigment.

[tishaLA]

125. Isn't this a "meme" yet, dralston?

Anyone who mentions it is bad bad bad

[krkaufman]

94. Lieberman... the Republican shill

Another Joementum lie. Libya was looking to rejoin the international community long before the Iraq war.

[economic justice]

108. BS

Get off of Joe's back! He is NO REPUBLICAN.

[tishaLA]

95. Why is Kerry giving props to Clark?

Oh that's right. He only says bad things behind his back.

[Jack_Dawson]

105. Why is Lieberman being treated like a real candidate?

[economic justice]

124. Because he IS. <eom>

[THUNDER HANDS]

97. Kerry gives two strong answers

He's handling himself well.

Edwards has a lot of supporters in the crowd, but he seems to be a little "too" comfortable right now.

[TheDonkey]

114. Kerry needs to relax on using such big words (scares people) but..

he rocked that question.

[TexasPatriot]

100. Lieberman is now backing Bush's argument

that by kicking saddam, it forced libya to the table... man what a prick. i REALLY dont like him.

[Renew Deal]

104. Someone needs to take Lieberman down.

[economic justice]

118. He's a great Democrat.

I'm just so sorry he catches so much grief on DU. To not support him is one thing - to tear him down all the time is another.

[xultar]

121. Liberman, leave him up to me fellas

[xultar]

106. Attempted to assasinate fmr Pres Bush, Lieberman pulls that shit

out of his ass?

Drop out Mr. Lieberman

[laruemtt]

109. why do i put myself through

these debates... i start out all pumped up and end up deflated after about one minute. why, why, why do i do this...

[Carl Spackler]

110. You gotta give Lieberman some credit for consistency

talk about a "smattering of applause"

[killbotfactory]

130. "Saddam was a weapon of mass destruction!"

If there is a trap door underneath Joe, now's the time to use it.

[DemNoir]

111. Please go away Joe!

Dr Fear is at it again

[Hawkeye-X]

122. Thread #2!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=227386

Hawkeye-X

[goodhue]

DK corrects Tom: Its UN in, US out not US out, UN in

[Cheswick2.0]

120. good answer from Clark on arbitrary date to get out of Iraq

Good for him.

[in_cog_ni_to]

123. Bosnia question!

He actually might get to talk about something important? Yes! Go Wes!

YES! Went BACK to a question! yes! yes! yes!

[TexasPatriot]

126. Clark on Iraq...

this is a good one... the presidents playing politics with the arbitrary date... paul bremer needs out... us forces under nato...

now he's going back to the 2 weeks after 9-11 stuff... hammering on the congressional authorization for the blank check... calling it politically motivated

'we've got to change this govt'

BAM!!!!

[Guaranteed]

127. GO CLARK!! YES!!

Excellent! THAT is the truth.

[laruemtt]

129. THIS is why i watch!

Clark saying this iraq war was ready to go 2 days after 9/11. applause!!!

[Moderator]

131. Thread 2

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=227386

[dweller]

132. Kucinich standing his ground, and correcting Brokaw

on the plan to bring UN in US out.

Go DK!

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