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[ibegurpard]

1. Pete, that's a purely subjective thing that can't be proved or disproved.

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[sangh0]

3. Do you say that

when someone says Kerry is a boring speaker?

[eileen_d]

4. I say it when someone calls Dean an "inspirational" speaker

All purely subjective, my friend.

[ibegurpard]

5. No

Because I think he's a boring speaker.

[sangh0]

15. that's a purely subjective thing that can't be proved or disproved.

:-)

[ibegurpard]

19. Exactly!

Where would you get the idea that I was stating a fact when I said "I think?" :shrug:

[Myra]

22. True. It's subjective. & in my subjective opinion Kerry's the human valium

Too flat, too looooooooooooooooooooong.
Not inspiring or motivating.

To quote Joe Conason:

"Brevity is both merciful and wise. That advice is particularly pertinent for a stiff speaker like Kerry. His speaking style, rather than his voting record or his personal history, is reminiscent of the lamentably lame Michael Dukakis. Kerry tends to disdain the repetitive, rousing style that motivates voters, and to favor lengthy, discursive explanations that only bore them. His handlers ought to challenge him by pointing out that Bush -- a man of very limited verbal facility -- has mastered stump speaking. Kerry still must learn to keep it crisp."

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/01/28/wednesday/index.html

[cavebat2000]

2. Its not fiction If the views think so

I am especially bored by his speeches. Maybe its because Ive already heard them... from Gov Dean.

[jjs]

6. Kerry

Is it just me or what? I don't think two Skull and Bones members from yale running against eachother doesn't sit well.

[aintitfunny]

7. I think he fails to connect

with the audience. With the common man and woman. I think he is a little boring, but seems to be improving. Mostly he seems stiff and distant and that worries me. While we shouldn't elect our president with personal charm as a factor, it sure does seem to help. But if he's the man on top after the Primary ends, then he is my candidate.

[spooky3]

8. I agree with you.

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[bbmykel]

24. I'm not sure that's a conclusion you can legitimately come to

He's getting votes which is the bottom line and what's important. Be happy for that and don't try to oversell it. If he connects to you, then great--it makes it that much easier to vote for the guy.

As a 'for instance', Brownstein of the LA Times indicated that exit polls showed many were voting for Kerry because of 'electability' but their emotional attachments were elsewhere.

For me personally, he does not connect and the voting part will be difficult. But I'll do it (if I have to!).

[spooky3]

26. for NH voters, the "favorability" ratings given by voters who chose other

candidates were not as good as for other candidates' favorability ratings given by those who did not vote for them, such as Edwards. This could be one of the things Browstein was referring to.

[spooky3]

25. If you want to use the primary results thus far, please remember that

60%+ of the voters chose another candidate, and nearly all of them were Democrats. That is not good evidence for his speaking skills and ability to connect with voters in general; it probably reflects voters' familiarity with him and respect for his record and other strengths. So while he deserves due credit for winning the 2 to date, and his record is certainly something I can support, please allow those of us who believe his stump speaking to be a genuine concern for us and for other voters to draw that conclusion.

[GalleryGod]

34. Sticks & Stones Department, Pete

:nopity:

[blm]

9. He was GREAT in SC last September.

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[Ilsa]

10. I've seen him on C-Span and I think he is an excellent speaker.

I thought he used some great catchy phrases (dammit, I can't remember them now, though) and he got me worked up!

[clarknyc]

11. He sounds rather pompous to me.

I actually find Gore to be much more compelling.

[THUNDER HANDS]

13. I agree with you

Kerry speaks like what a president SHOULD speak like.

I'm a regular guy and I speak like a regular guy. Presidents AREN'T supposed to be regular guys. Presidents are supposed to be special people.

Kennedy, Nixon, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, - say what you will about them, they all looked, sounded, and felt like presidents.

John Kerry feels like a president.

[ibegurpard]

16. I see

So THAT'S what he was doing when he said "Fuck" in the Rolling Stone interview.

Ironically, that was the only thing he'd done so far in his campaign to endear him to me.

[THUNDER HANDS]

21. so you want the best Jerry Springer candidate?

One who excites you and makes you want to pump your fist?

Okaaay. Fine.

I'll take my presidents Kerry style.

[ibegurpard]

27. Kerry style?

you mean ones that say "Fuck" in interviews? That sounds a lot more Jerry Springerish to me than anyone else in the race. (And although I loved hearing it I didn't think it was a very smart thing to do).

[sandnsea]

14. He's electable because of the issues

That's what people really are missing. It's his ability to connect and be Presidential, as well as his comprehensive knowledge of the issues and comprehensive plans to address the issues. That is why people see him as most electable. He's better than the other candidates, all the way around.

[lancdem]

Kerry also won among voters who cared about the economy,

health care and education. I was very impressed with him when he did a town meeting on C-SPAN. But, hey, it is subjective.

[lancdem]

28. Kerry also won among voters who cared about the economy,

health care and education. I was very impressed with him when he did a town meeting on C-SPAN. But, hey, it is subjective.

[sistersofmercy]

17. You know Pete, we can try to be as nice and thoughtful as we like but

it just does not seem to produce positive responses in some people. I have tried so hard to be supportive of all the candidates and their supporters but there are always a few who seek negative attention with their displaced anger. I just do not get it. :shrug: *sigh*

[Abigail147]

35. Spare me the amateur analysis.

We been reading some psych books, have we? You can't see this, but I am dancing naked in the living room, doing my "angry" devil dance, going a little mental, swinging a chicken and looking for a little attention. And I am pretty sure it is working. Whahooo!

I am a Dean supporter.And you sound like bm. Whatever works for you kiddo, but we ain't dead. We just resting.

[sistersofmercy]

44. What a perfect example

of displacement. Funny that you used the plural form in your beginning sentence, interesting choice.
Enjoy your dance.

[dave29]

18. Presidents and oratorial skills

I'd just like to point out our current President - in case anyone thought oratorial skills are what counts in an election.

[THUNDER HANDS]

23. yar

nevermind

[DancingBear]

20. Well, he didn't do much for me last week

but the rest of New Hampshire seemed to like it, thank you very much. :)

[onecitizen]

29. The best speech I ever heard was given by........

Kerry. Just my opinion but it really struck me. I was thinking "this guy would make a terrific President". Within 2 weeks(or so) he voted for bush to take us to war. And I just cannot get past that. This was during the time leading up to the war and we(the public) were begging our reps not to rush into this thing because we could NOT trust bush(after all, he stole the election, yes he did). Then he turns around and gave the guy his blessing. I felt betrayed then as I still do. BUT I will say that I will vote for him if he gets the nod which I think has already happened because any of our guys are better than the squater that's there now.

[TopesJunkie]

30. Sorry that's nonfiction -- It's true -- You might like the guy, but... --

He's as boring as possum playing dead.

[Abigail147]

31. You have got to be kidding.

That's what called whistling in the dark.

[Hawkeye-X]

32. THE MYTH EXISTS

I fell asleep listening to Kerry tonight during the SC debates. He's waffling AGAIN!

[JI7]

33. Pete, you know Senator Kerry, tell him not to change

i like the way he speaks just fine. and i certainly don't want him to be like bush. i have seen him on cspan and he does really well with other people. they come up to him ask him questions, they tell him their problems, things general and specific and he does a good job of answering them. the people also challenge him at times on his answers and he can take it.

[Hoppin_Mad]

36. I play Kerry tapes when I have insomnia - Better than pills ! ;-)

[Walt Starr]

37. "Boring speaker" is in the ears of the hearer

and he's the most boring speaker I have ever heard.

[KittyWampus]

38. Kerry Drones. He Pontificates. He Projects Sanctimony

[dreissig]

39. Representative Democracy

Biggest fiction in American politics: that a guy with Kerry's money can truly represent ordinary working people.

[fluffyslayer]

40. I'm not bored by him...

as much as I'm frightened by how he sounds EXACTLY like John Walsh from America's Most Wanted. It's freaky.

[Eloriel]

41. Yeah, and I've seen him on TV

So who am I gonna believe -- you or my lyin' eyes?

:evilgrin:

Sorry, no cigar, Pete. But I'll give you E for Effort.

P.S. And don't give me the "but you have to see him in person line." To me, Dean, who I consider an outstanding speaker, wasn't any more thrilling in person than on TV. (Edited to clarify: JUST as thrilling on TV as in person.)

[A-Schwarzenegger]

42. OK, I will not believe my lying earzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

[Clark Can WIN]

43. This is a matter of perception

not fact. I may perceive him as boring, you might find him the most riveting speaker in history.

[floridaguy]

45. Kerry spent most of the time talking about his prostate . . . .

when I saw him live at the Orlando Florida Democratic state convention. I couldn't believe it. My only response was that I couldn't take him seriously as a candidate.

Just the facts, sorry.

[DJcairo]

46. At lkeast he doesn't spend his time talking about how he really is a dem

but he voted for Nixon (who Kerry fought tooth and nail) or Reagan of Bush. Come to think of it. What does Clark talk about? Nothing. Just a bunch of scripted lines by his Clintonistas who have made some bad plays in this election and are going to see their influence wane. Except for the big dog. Clinton will always be the man. But his network - those people behind Clark - are going to be put out to pasture.

[vision]

47. I wouldn't say boring

But he is not concise enough often enough. Remember much of America has a short attention span. Therefore he needs to tighten his responses and shorten his sentences.

It isn't IMO that he is boring but he explains too much. While good in a lecture it is not necessarily good as a speech. Look at the praise that Bush's speeches get from the mediawhores not because he is a great speaker but the speeches are filled with concise senteces that can be understood by the average American.

All that being said Kerry is improving. I wish he could hire a speech writer that could borrow from some of the leading liberal comedians.