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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 01:06 PM
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All this Election Fraud ammo.... WHAT NOW? HUH? (rant)
People like Fitrakis and Wasserman
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1529
and Brad Friedman
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brad-friedman/the-staggeringly-impossib_b_10589.html
have been writing about the election fraud for YEARS now. And those are just the names that come to mind at the moment but there are many others out there who have done volumes of research and gotten some very important findings.

We now have a supportive GAO report, a mountain of statistics demonstrating that something more than just fishy went down, we have crooked proceedings during the New Mexico election lawsuit (http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002008.htm), a voting machine programmer with a sworn affidavit, and now the latest statistical freak occurrences in the Ohio "elections."

WHAT MORE DO WE NEED AND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT????

How many times do these bastards have to steal the elections? How many times do our mealy-mouthed political representatives have to LET them?

How many times before the "losing" Dem actually puts up a fight and stands up to this? And I'm not taling that two-faced, polite company rhetoric: "Well, I suspect that the election might have possibly been...." NO! NO! NO!!!!!!

How about, "WE'RE NOT ACCEPTING YOUR FRAUDULENT RESULTS" and "We're going to stand here and protest until some media give us some goddam attention!"

But noooooo, we're whiter than that: We write letters. We write books. We write editorials. We've had no press coverage to speak of and we're so far from TV exposure, the networks might as well be on Jupiter.

C'mon! The action's happening on TV! ON TV!!!!!! If it's not on TV, NOBODY WILL FIND OUT!

If you haven't read the Republican Nemesis, then you should. Use some bloody psychology for a change! LEARN TO NOT LOSE!
http://www.taxwisdom.org/republican_nemesis.htm

Citizens in other countries would have been in revolt over this and I'm getting REALLY angry with the passivity of the politicians here. I don't mean to denigrate the magnificent efforts of brave people like Waxman, Conyers, and Slaughter, but DAMN, they need help!

In Britain, they dumped three truckloads of COAL and blocked several entrances of the Downing Street offices. THAT GOT PRESS! And the issue got press!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,12374,1642341,00.html

Does *ANYBODY* else have ANY BALLS LEFT IN THIS HUGE COUNTRY?

(And I'm not counting the Freeway Blogger, btw. We love the Freeway Blogger and his cohorts. http://freewayblogger.com)

Thank you for listening to me rant. I feel better now.... :-)
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 01:10 PM
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1. Everybody needs to rant..
.. now and then or else frequently in light of the stupid moranic and really idiotic statements and actions of the neocons or theocratic rightwingers.

RAAANNNTTT!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 01:25 AM
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2. Everyone who still wants to play nice with the Pubbies
owes it to the rest of us to read "Republican Nemesis" which Angry Girl has linked to in her thread.

Here's the link again:
http://www.taxwisdom.org/republican_nemesis.htm
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 03:13 AM
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3. wow!! Excellent article!!
It needs to be put up on about 90% of the DU threads where all those toadies show up, and say shit like: "Oh! Don't say that! We're going to look as bad as republicans!!"

:kick::kick::kick:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 03:05 PM
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10. I don't doubt that some are "toadies", but many are folks who
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 03:08 PM by Kurovski
have a high regard for manners and civility.

Unfortunately they have been taken into consideration when Repubs do their dirty deeds, and are used to their own (R's) advantage. taking advantage of people's goodwill and decency is exactly why the "R" techniques are so dirty. Religion, patriotism, and charity are all turned on their heads for political purposes.

Politics today (as it has at other times in America's past) has to go beyond niceties. Too much is at stake. The opponent is amoral, when not immoral.

One day when things are good again, charm, sweetness and bonhomie will each have its spring on the political landscape.

I think the Nemesis lays out a convincing map, and my hope is that admirably civil yet hesitant individuals will find something to convince them of the need for more "toughness" as we go forward. Or at the very least be somewhat more forgiving of those who barrel ahead.

Rudeness and "tactics" pains many people and it's good to remember that there is a great deal of integrity, not mere fussiness behind their calls for civility. It is what holds society together.

But sometimes components of society break away of necessity. While we also have a great deal of anger that will need expression in our country, we can strive to be responsible.

I hope that we can find a happy medium.

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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:02 AM
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4. How about a "Rage Against the Machines" Summer Tour 2006
Audioslave (formerly RATM) and Greenday, both highly dedicated, Progressive bands, could combine for a 2006 National Summer tour to focus attention on voting machine irregularities and to generate activism for the 2006 elections.

MCs for the tour: Rep John Conyers, Sen Barbara Boxer, Cong Stephanie Tubbs Jones, etc. Prior to each show, local activists and lawyers would conduct workshops on how to spot--and stop--electronic vote counting fraud.

Tom Morello, Chris Cornell...are you out there?

(Hell, put me down for twenty tickets)
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 10:11 AM
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5. Hey, ranting is where it begins. More has needed to be done for a yr. now
n/t
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 12:51 PM
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6. Your rant is great. It's out time now...we are doing something.
Thanks. Keep it up. Notice how many election fraud threads make it to greatest. There's a reason...WE'RE FED UP WITH THE BULL SHIT AND WE'RE FIGHTING BACK.

Many have fought back locally and nationally. The information is developed. We're locked and loaded and we're not stopping.

I can't tell you how many reporters have all the basics of this story. So do members of congress and the Dem leadership. Somebody needs to just kick it out and tell the truth, not give up.

I predicted often that when * hit a consensus 35% approval, the time would be ripe for election fraud. We're one or two points away and the story is coming out. Two facts:

1) In VA there was a very close Attorney General race even though it was down ticket and it should not have been close. Without any hesitation, Gov. Mark Warner pounded the podium at the victory celebration for Democrats (we won Gov big on 11/08) and said "We're fighting for every vote." They are. The Dem AG candidate Deeds says "get ready for a long recount." These are Democrats who want to win and who have taken on the issue.

2) On a smaller scale, San Diego elections stink. A week or two ago, the City Attorney announced that he'd be supervising tabulation because the elections were so questionable. Just a regular City Attorney, not a crusader, and he's seen and had enough. The elections officials got snarkey and the City Attorney said tough, I'm showing up.

It's going to break wide open, stay pissed off, get more pissed off, make calls, visit your Board of Elections, go to these places and get current:
BradBlog www.bradblog.com
Scoop "American Coup II" -- great history
http://www.scoop.co.nz/features/usacoup.html
or
TruthIsAllNet www.truthisall.net for the statistical case for election fraud.

Get ready and stay mad!!!
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 12:56 PM
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7. The big picture
both in the party(inexplicable at alarming) and in what should have been a massive coalition(more explicable but disappointing) shows a lot of small enagagements in various local areas. More is being done at the lower levels and a lot more in some of the big battlefields than the rant suggests.

Whether the limited successes or the knowledge is 'huge" or not, the simple fact that the DNC is not all together on this simplest and most crucial of all criminal scams and that the growing activism and public suspicion coming from the bottom up is taking too long and too ineffective to reach decisive mass, I'd say we are still stuck in the pit of tragedy.

One is hoping some lawsuit, some smoking a-bomb in the national living room, some hero or whatever, is suddenly going to break this arctic icecap. I bet a simple comparison where unfettered legitimized hawking of
election crimelord Diebold is more pervasive than our side's accepted advocacy would justify a fiercer rant than the above.

Heroic, chokingly compromised and polite efforts at the level they are simply are no substitute for a united Democratic party position and active war against fraud. The FBI is being used to wage an unjust counter attack against a whole party that is really not there as a whole. The wheels are off the party ortganization on election protection and activists are reinventing the wheels everyday.

And the frsutrating main point- as in so many other critical areas- remains locked out. That the very principles of e-voting as being propagated by the GOP are fraudulent in concept and open to unaccountable fraud in multiple ways, with even meek partial "remedies"
for the armless bandits forced to fight uphill battles.

People don't like cold water dashed in their face but is giving them warm milk really the answer?

This is the same party general position(prone) as in 2000 when the GOP!!! took over the entire issue of "reform". But seething underneath is growing resistance that still does not match the even more rapid expansion of e-voting. Even Diebold alone is still a success story compared to the failure to hold them accountable- for anything. Those Dem officials fired up on this need to take their sleepy peers by the throat and demand the national party organization wake up. Just wake up. It was the simplest most mechanical and practical thing to do to win back America and on every level the overall party has acted the fool.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 01:05 PM
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8. .
:boring:
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Marleyb Donating Member (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 02:19 PM
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9. Flyers are a way to bring the info from internet readers to TV viewers
benfrank made a PDF of your 20 amazing facts about voting...
http://benfrank.net/blog/f/informational/20voting_facts.pdf

Now, FINALLY, the corporate news is responding to the blogs and TV viewers are being forced to face the truth. 9/11 questions finally made it to MSNBC so you just never know what might happen if we keep pushing it.

It seems the dems are coming out against the occupation of Iraq, because of pressure, so now before we go and give any democrat hero status on the Iraq issue we must demand they give us the whole truth about what is happening in this country and Iraq.

TELL US THE TRUTH about the phony election. We don't even have a democracy in the US! We must keep the pressure on. Half assed truths are not enough.

Bill Clinton says the war in Iraq was a mistake but at least we have given them a constitution and elections. BULLSHIT! Their 'democracy' is a sham. If he wants to maintain credibility, he needs to say the elections were a sham. He needs to tells us why this war was really started. He needs to talk about the fact that the oil is not being metered.

If Kerry or any other democrats think that all they need to do is follow along public approval, that is not going to work. If you want to be a leader, you must lead. We are still waiting for the WHOLE TRUTH. If you don't know what that is, ask Dennis Kucinich.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 10:30 AM
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14. Kerry recently suggested the idea of using "Flyers" to get word out.
Good idea from whoever thinks it!
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farmboxer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 02:31 AM
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11. And most people know the elections were fixed
on top of all that! It is insane! Republicans use the same lies over and over again.

The truth to a Republican is like a cross to a vampire!
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 03:42 AM
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12. Great rant, and there is...
...no issue more urgent than election fraud.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 05:15 AM
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13. You know who I think wills tand up? Hackett in 06
IF polls show the guy winning on election night, exit polsl show he'll win by a comfortable margin, things don't change in Ohio etc, I can see that guy having the backbone to go as far as demanding a re election. That man has a backbone and nothing to lose. I can see him going at great lengths to change ohio for the better. Let's just pray he gets the nomination...
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