Graham and Bingaman on now

[realFedUp]

Cspan 2

regarding habeas corpus.

[realFedUp]

1. Specter supports Bingamen amendment nt

he doesn't support altering habeas corpus.

[realFedUp]

2. Voting now...Jesus Christ.

no more discussion...

[realFedUp]

3. Let's see if those five Dems who voted for Graham amendment

will now vote for the Bingaman amendment.

Hope our phone calls paid off yesterday, plus
all the editorials condemning the Graham amendment.

[realFedUp]

4. This is a good website for catching up on this one...

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/

[realFedUp]

5. hellllooooooo....anyone still watching the Senate floor?

[realFedUp]

6. Landrieu aye....that's a good sign

I think Jumpin Joe voted for the Bingaman amendment also.

Bayh voted against it?

[flpoljunkie]

7. Evan Bayh, presidential aspirant, #4 on From's candidate list, voted no.

[realFedUp]

9. he's dead on arrival....this is an important vote.

[realFedUp]

10. Jeez...Lieberman voted no on this....get that guy out. nt

[realFedUp]

8. delete

[realFedUp]

11. This is habeas funking corpus....not just a highway bill

What is it going to take...

[realFedUp]

12. Let's arrest one of the no Senators and take away their habeas corpus

love to see that.

[realFedUp]

13. Bingaman amendment not passed

Ayes 44
Noes 54?

[realFedUp]

14. Graham amendment on Graham amendment on now

from
http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/

All right. There are two new amendments:

Graham has proposed an amendment to his own amendment, which is co-sponsored by Carl Levin and John Kyl. Here is a PDF of it. It still cuts off habeas but it allows more judicial review than the version that Graham stuck into the appropriations bill last Friday. Bingaman has also proposed a new amendment. Here's a PDF of that. It allows habeas, but it cuts off lawsuits challenging the conditions of confinement.

I know Graham's new amendment is an improvement over his Friday amendment, while Bingaman's amendment is, in an effort to garner votes, worse than his earlier amendment. I don't really know how much better and worse in either case. Of the four cosponsors of those amendments, I trust Levin and Bingaman quite a lot and Graham (after this episode) and Kyl (as always) not at all. And Levin has stated that he prefers Bingaman's amendment to the one he co-wrote with Graham and Kyl, but that one is still far preferable to the one that passed Friday.

The AP, Reuters, and the Washington Post have all written articles on these provisions. The Post article says the Levin/Kyl/Graham Amendment might be linked to the McCain amendment in an effort to get both of them through conference. I don't know if that's true, and I don't know if it's a good deal or a bad deal if it is true. At this point I don't trust Graham at all, and I don't trust McCain much. The only advice I can give is to name a few of the Congressmen in Washington who I think are the most trustworthy and dedicated on this issue: Levin, Durbin, Bingaman, Leahy, Feingold, Kennedy. Markey and I think also Murtha in the House. If you don't know what's going on, find out what they're doing and ask your own reps. to do the same.

[realFedUp]

16. Specter objecting to haste in this process...

Specter complained that the judiciary committee
has had no oversight of the agreement reached
yesterday on habeas corpus.

Takes away the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court
in this.

sorry, Grassley and Spector look alike to me
at a distance. LOL>

[realFedUp]

26. Text of amendment to amendment here:

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/files/Graham_2nd_Degree_1_.pdf

[realFedUp]

15. Graham said he misstated something last week...

yeah and he was a JAG officer...

[realFedUp]

17. Vote's taking place already....

ugh...I hate this government.

[Mass]

19. Huge dilemna for the Dems

NO vote means keeping the previous Graham amendment which was worse.
YES vote means voting for an amendment that is bad.

[realFedUp]

21. true...I really wish they had supported Bingaman's amendment

and especially since this is being done in
such haste.

[The Witch]

18. Was that Leahy who stood up after him?

He kicked Lindy's ass.

[Mass]

20. Specter

[realFedUp]

22. he voted no

[The Witch]

23. But I doubt Specter supported the first Graham amendment

i am of the opinion that Specter is slowly going sane.

[realFedUp]

24. I think he still respects our basic rights in this country

who knew :shrug:

[realFedUp]

25. Lieberman aye. nt

[realFedUp]

27. Senator Durbin no nt

[realFedUp]

28. Graham amendment to amendment passed

84 ayes....passed

[Mass]

29. At least, it is an improvement compared to the previous one

[realFedUp]

31. sure, if you think waterboarding is better than electrocuting....

it's just degrees of how much justice you
want to give citizens and non-citizens
under this idea of democracy.

What's left of it.

[Mass]

33. So, we should have stayed with the previous Graham amendment

The amendment is bad, there is no doubt, but I will not fault those democrats who voted BOTH the Bingaman amendment and the second Graham amendment.

They just tried to make something a little less worse.

On the other way, I certainly will fault those who voted AGAINST the Bingaman amendment.

[realFedUp]

34. I agree with you on those points

and this is just bad for our country period.
This was just another huge chip in the foundation.

[Mass]

35. I agree with you 100%

[realFedUp]

30. Defense Authorization bill now being voted on...nt

[realFedUp]

32. who knows how much pork's stuffed into this one....

Warner knows.

[Mass]

36. Roll call of the Bingaman amendment

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00324

Democrats voting NO

Bayh (D-IN) )
Conrad (D-ND)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Nelson (D-NE)

[realFedUp]

37. I guess they don't care about justice for all. nt

Let's hang this one around their necks.