Mewsmax says right favors Condie: Will their Southern Racist Base revolt?

[niceypoo]

Think about it. If you ever talk to "live" republicans in a chatroom their posts are peppered with racist filth. Some, particularily those from the south talk about nothing else. Do you think they would revolt if an African American AND a woman ran? I think Condie knows this too.....

[MemphisTiger]

1. A nomination for Condi is a win for Democrats

There is no way the racist crackers will go for a black woman.

[mattclearing]

11. I know what you're trying to say, but using the word cracker

is probably about as racist a thing I've ever seen on DU.

[democrat in Tallahassee]

12. Crackers aren't a race, so it can't be a racist remark

crackers are rednecks

[mattclearing]

22. Bullshit. Cracker is a term for any white person.

I've never seen someone ask where someone was from or wait until they opened their mouth to denote their southern accent before calling them a cracker.

And even so, redneck isn't a very nice thing to say either.

[MemphisTiger]

13. It was a joke, the point is that there is no way a black

woman will ever win the southern belt. They talk about JC Watts all the time, but don't want to see him president.

[Toots]

19. And he isn't there any longer, in fact No Black Republican Congressmen...

They just don't elect Black people except as occasional tokens.

[0007]

41. Especially if they throw a football and run fast......

Look at Tom Osborn, he dumber than a box of rocks and he's still hanging around.

"Cracker & Redneck" are slurs that gives one away for sure!!

[mattclearing]

23. I know that.

I wonder if anyone else would shift to make up for them. I kinda doubt it...God knows Condi isn't popular with the urban black community.

[bitchkitty]

39. That's not true -

cracker means redneck, and redneck isn't a race, it's a state of mind. I should know, I come from a very long line of Georgia crackers.

[bluedog]

43. cracker is NOT racist

When I moved to Fl.......the word cracker came up alot...we have "cracker house" and things with the word "cracker"

well, I looked up info into this and.."Cracker" is a poineer term....back to the good old days of living off the land.........

"Florida Cracker" Pioneer Program
1821-1900's
In 1821 the United States bought Florida from Spain. Homesteading was encouraged by the government to develop the newly acquired territory. The rugged pioneers that settled the area were called "Florida Crackers".


It is believed that they got this nickname because of the cracking sound their whips made as they herded cattle. In 1845 Florida became the 27th state of the Union.

[Canuckistanian]

2. I think the misogynist wing of the GOP alone will stop it

Look at how apopleptic they get at the thought of Hilary. And idealogically, she's almost to the right of Lieberman.

[QC]

3. What about the racists elsewhere? Will they turn against her, too?

What about the nine hate groups in your neck of the woods? How do you suppose they will react? Or do you think only the Southern ones will be displeased?

[Boredtodeath]

8. You'll note........no response

Heaven forbid some ignorant northern bigot would admit racism isn't a "southern" thing. Some of the nothern elites might fall off their pedestal.

[CTLawGuy]

24. I apologize, we northerners get a little confused...

We forget that we also were forced to give up slavery only after losing a war where we tried to secede from the US.

We forget sometimes that our governors too personally stood in the schoolhouse door to prevent black people from integrating.

We forget that we had "white" and "colored" drinking fountains too.

We forget that strom thurmond won our states too on his 1948 segregationist platform.

We forget that the flags we too fly from our statehouses are symbols of racism that we refuse to take down.

If we remembered all these things, we'd realize that the North was just as racist as the South.


You'll have to forgive us for losing perspective :eyes:

[QC]

38. Are you old enough to remember Boston rioting in the 1970s?

It was quite an ugly sight.

[niceypoo]

9. Good point QC

[Zynx]

10. I can say that there a lots of racists here in Wisconsin.

A shocking number quite frankly. A little known fact about the pre-Civil War era is that many northerners didn't like african americans at all, but rather feared that if slavery was spread to the north that it would undercut their wages and hurt northern agricultural and perhaps even industrial jobs. The north has always had its fair share of racists.

[Mike Daniels]

36. Lots of racists in Pennsylvania as well

My mom's family generally votes Democratic in elections and hates Bush but they have a certain amount of prejudice in them as well.

[Toots]

21. How many of those nine groups are Democratic?

:shrug: Your point being the South is no different except in the Republican Majority living there. I agree racism is everywhere but in some places a little more dense.

[sendero]

4. It would be a dream come true..

... for them to nominate Condi, but I seriously doubt this will happen at all.

They are only talking this to try to get us to nominate Hillary - they are not stupid - this is the party that has used the Southern Strategy for decades.

[DoYouEverWonder]

5. Please, please, please nominate Condi

if she isn't in prison by then.

She would divid the Repug party and she would be a terrible candidate. The woman has about as much warmth as an ice pack.

[tularetom]

6. I think they should nominate her

I haven't spoken to any blacks about it but my guess most of them dislike or mistrust her anyway so nominating her won't do much for the 2% approval rating they currently enjoy among African Americans. At the same time it would be fun to watch the right wing pundits try to make excuses for the racists in their party after they've spent eight years extolling the virtues of this airhead. They won't be able to oppose her nomination without admitting their base is made up of bigots. The only drawback to this scenario is that the Dems will nominate someone almost as bad or worse and she might actually be elected president. My guess is that would make the current situation look like a sunday school picnic because unlike bush, condomlizard thinks she actually has a brain.

[Totally Committed]

The Republicans are only appearing to favor Condi,

so the Democrats will make an irrevocable move toward Hillary. It's like playing chess at this point. They even got Dick Morris to write an entore book about it, so that it would seem more genuine.

Don't fall for it. The Republican Bush Administration starved a whole city full of people who looked just like her just a couple of months ago. And, they can't even imagine giving females autonomy over their own bodies. There is no wa a BLACK WOMAN will ever be run for POTUS by The Republicans next ime out, or maybe any time this century.

TC

[FranzFerdinand]

18. maybe we should...

start an underground "Vote Condi" brigade to fool them back!

[niceypoo]

35. Republicans mortally fear another Clinton administration

Regardless who runs their viscious smear machine will be in full overdrive.

[PDittie]

7. The fundies won't go for Condi

They won't go for McCain, either.

It's the GOP that's fucked this go-round (as long as we don't nominate Hillary).

[MemphisTiger]

14. True, there is so much disdain for Hillary in the general

public that she would be an easy target for their spin machine. Wes Clark or Al Gore all the way.

[niceypoo]

34. I beg to differ Tiger....

"True, there is so much disdain for Hillary in the general
public that she would be an easy target for their spin machine. Wes Clark or Al Gore all the way"

I think Hillary running and Bill campaigning would be brilliant. People remember Clinton times as good times. He was in the %60s when he left office and he would have wiped his ass with Dubya had he ran against him. They wouldn't run a rudderless campaign as Kerry did. They would fire back on every smear.

[MemphisTiger]

42. I think it would be better run than Kerry's campaign, BUT

even in this day and age, I don't think the country will support a female president even Hillary. I also live in the south so that's the pulse of the people around here. It may be different in other part of the country, I hope.

[Ganja Ninja]

15. Condi won't win the nomination.

Her GOP primary opponents will tear her a new one. That's what I'm looking forward to, the GOP primaries where we find out whether loyalty to Bush is a positive in the minds of GOP voters.

[Child_Of_Isis]

16. I think it would be good for the country.

It would reveal the underlying hatred toward women. Katrina was but a small revelation for the rest of the world to the inner workings of the US. To some extent, we were exposed. But nothing would expose us for what we truly are, more than running a couple of women for Prez. Campaigns would be the bloodiest ever. Words like "Bitch in a ditch" would become politically correct. It could very well cause a revolution.

[FranzFerdinand]

17. story...

before Nov 2004, i had asked a very liberal, but "roughneck" friend about who he was voting for. sure enough, he was voting for Kerry, so i had to ask him. i asked if he'd vote for Hillary in 2008, he said, "of course" and i then asked, would he ever vote for Obama or Powell and he said "never in a million years".

i ragged on him for hours on this one, but it goes to show, even some liberals wouldn't dare vote a black candidate into office. shows ignorance, but lets not act like some of our best friends aren't completely ignorant ;)

Condi wouldn't stand a chance. talk about eclipsing the line between Rep. and Dem. Black and white would surely rise above that line.

sad, but true.

[Clark2008]

20. The racists aren't just in the South.

Geez, people.

Condi is FROM the South. I'd look more for a revolt in the mid-West.

[Tarc]

25. Doesn't matter where she's from

whether Condi is a black Southerner or black Northerner, there are still plenty of good ol boys who will just look at the color, and gender, and say "no ^%#$ way".

And for the rest of em, there has to be a bit of common sense that comes into their decision-making. Would any conservative really want to entrust the most powerful office on the planet to a policy wonk who has never, ever been elected to a single public office? She'll get skewered in the primaries by whoever is anointed the Chosen One, whether its Jeb Bush or Frist or someone similar.

[spooky3]

27. agreed, and welcome to DU!

[spooky3]

26. My bold prediction: Rice will accept a very lucrative consulting or

corporate deal from a typical Rethug firm rather than seek higher office. That's the soft landing Rethugs expect after their government "service."

[DeepModem Mom]

28. Isn't Condi pro-choice? Or do we know? nt

[Tarc]

32. Even if she was now...

...she'd flip like a flapjack for the primaries. Have you been seeing the Texas Two-Step that Mass. Governor Mitt Romney has been doing lately? He's done a near-complete 180 from the cmapaign he ran for governor in `02.

[patcox2]

29. No way, no chance, no how.

Forget the racists, forget the misogynists, the homophobes alone are enough to kill this idea. Never, ever, ever happen.

Forget southerners, half of all republicans would just stay home in disgust.

People discount the impact of Kerry's catholicism in his performance. I think it could have been responsible for him losing 1 percent or more in the south. I imagine a black woman likely lesbian? Jeebus, it would be a disaster.

[alfredo]

30. Rednecks aren't as threatened by African American women as they

are of the men. The racist feels threatened by the perceived sexual prowess of African American men. But then many would not turn down a sexual encounter with an African American woman.

They would be threatened by Condi because she is a powerful woman just as they are threatened by Hillary. Race may not be as important as the fact that she is an educated, powerful woman.

[magnolia]

31. The southern rednecks.....

....will "Kilgore" Condi! They'll stay home or vote for whatever white male we are running. They wouldn't vote for an African American or a woman or an unmarried person. She's got it all. They'd vote for Michael Moore before they'd vote for her.

[SF Bay Area Dem]

33. Are you kidding me? The racist republican redneck vote...

would not vote at all rather than voting for a African American... and worse in their eyes... a WOMAN!!!!! Can you imagine their further reaction when they find out Condi is pro-choice and pro-gun-control?

[EndElectoral]

37. you'll see a lot of southern red states become blue if Rice is the nominee

[Ian David]

40. Is Condie Rice a lesbian?

Some people say she is.

Let's debate it in the media for eight weeks and let the public make up their own minds.

[blindpig]

44. A slam dunk for the Democratic Party unless

they nominate Hillary. That might be the only thing that could get sufficient wingnuts to hold their noses and vote for Condi.

But it ain't gonna happen.