MSNBC Hardball Promo: "Tonight, Chris STOPS the spin in the Iraq War!"

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

Just now, during an Imus commercial break.

"The DEMOCRATS are saying that the White House manipulated intelligence leading up to the Iraq War. The REPUBLICANS are saying that the DEMOCRATS are trying to re-write history. TONIGHT, Chris STOPS THE SPIN in the Iraq war."

I anticipate another Andrea Mitchell guest appearance...

:tinfoilhat:

[pstans]

1. Isn't that Chris's job everyday?

He should be stopping the spin everyday and giving the news of what really is happening. They are flat out telling us that Chris helps spin the issues on other days.

[thefloyd]

2. Jesus

What will Matthews say? If Tweety goes to bat for Bushco because democrats have finally called Bush a liar. Fuck Tweety.

[Nightwing]

3. Tweety will spin it alright

In favor of his puppetmaster *. He and his guests will paint it as cranky, no idea Dems versus a concise policy by the administration. I agree Andrea Mitchell will more than likely be involved laying plenty of ground cover to defend our corrupt, inept regime.

[magnolia]

18. What you are saying is....

....Tweety will spin the spin!! I'm getting dizzy just thinking about it.

[pretzel4gore]

4. honestly, would you spare the tweetbird if bushco went down?

of course we will! it matters not that tweety was part of the mob harassing the dems back before junior even entered the arena; they are political gangsters and novak, woodward, friedman, ms greenspan, limbah humbug john gibson, ted koppel bob shieffer, brite hum and so on know that their very lives might depend on saving bush from the worst of a brutal nation's wrath...
hyperventilating is the gopigs ONLY private pastime, nowadays

[Warren Stupidity]

5. I say open the birdcage and put it on the floor where the cats

can get at it. F tweety. You all know exactly where his sycophantic bottle spinning is going to stop: pointed directly at the president's butt.

[jbnow]

6. I wouldn't predict

how he'll "stop the spin".

He has been saying for some time that we were spun into war, they feed things to the media and then on weekends all refer to the article with the information they planted. He says a whole group of them doing Sunday spins, at least one on each show saying the same things.

He says libby didn't do this without cheney.

He also thinks many dem votes that gave bush OK to use force was due to being up for election and not wanting to look weak when people were afraid.

I know he wants bush to come out looking pretty, that faux nobility he sees in him. But that doesn't make me sure he'll be doing right wing spin.

I am not a fan of his, avoided him a long time except to look and see if Gregory was filling in as host. But last month I caught part of it and he really likes the drama going on there. I am watching now. I'm sure I will tune out later.

I have liked his Sunday shows. He has journalists on, not pundits lately. They are all harder on bush then he is. It is not "equal time" for both sides to spin.

I don't place faith in him, don't count on him. But lately it has been enjoyable.

[Raffi Ella]

14. He really does like the drama

I have noticed that about him.It's as if he is above Government and doesn't really care about the specifics because no matter what happens he is rich enough to do his own thing regardless of who is in the WH.He just enjoys the 'drama' and being a part of it all-debating.

But!One thing about Chris-even though I see this Bush admiration and Democratic disrespect going on from him He does let both sides of the issue be discussed.Unlike Fox News it is NOT a left wing liberal talking points show.I wouldn't want it to be either.

He may not hate on the Republicans and their antics as much as we do but he does allow both sides of the story to be told.And I can't hate him for that.
It makes the truths that do get told on his show about the criminal goings on in this administration all the more believable when he says it.
Who knows maybe there are some extremists/right wingers who watch his show and maybe just maybe are able to hear the truth about this administration coming from him.

[calimary]

22. Welcome to DU!!!

Glad you're here!

Actually, I disagree with you on one small point. I WOULD want it to be a left wing liberal talking points show. Just for equal time purposes. I mean, HOW MANY wrong-wing talking points shows do we have out there? Heck, we have a whole frickin' NETWORK of wrong-wing talking points. And matthews was one of those talking heads to gush on and on about "the package on that guy" when bush was strutting around in his flight suit.

Tweety has a long way to go to rehabilitate himself in my eyes. He's been too much of a toady for the GOP for too long. And now that he's all of a sudden "got religion" about the lies that dragged us to war, and the manipulation of the NYTimes for the Sunday talk shows (he's on about that all the time now), he's only starting to redeem himself. I'm glad he's not still blind drunk on the Kool-aid anymore, but I'm wary as all-get-out about him. I'd expect him to flip on a moment's notice if he thought bush was on the rise again.

That said, I repeat - Glad you're here!

You do make one other MOST intriguing point - that he's been pro-bush for so long his conservative viewers may still be watching, and if they're watching, then they'll have to face David Shuster's reporting, and Howard Fineman's commentary which has been pretty good lately, and maybe they'll get an invitation to redemption by that. Yes, I still do believe that souls can be saved. Unless they're rove's, bartlett's, mcclellan's, frist's, santorum's, delay's, ann coulter's, limbaugh's, o'liely's, and that-guy-whose-name-rhymes-with-VANITY's. Left out cheney's, because I'm not convinced he even HAS a soul.

[Raffi Ella]

27. Hello!

Thanks for the welcome.Glad to be here! :toast:

And let me clarify;
Having said all that I did about Mathews don't for a second believe that he doesn't have me yelling back at him when starts in on diminishing the point at hand-criminal conduct,impeachable acts,the deaths of over 2000 etc- by implying that Democrats are 'whining' or making a big deal out of "this" to gain 'traction' or whatever his problem with us is that night.lol.
Like someone else said at least he is covering it and people like David Gregory,Shumer among a select few others including Chris himself make it worth watching lately.

As for the left wing talking points angle and wanting it to be so I would much rather hear from all sides about the issues than a biased one sided view of what is going on.
Thats what led us to War in Iraq in the first place-not enough debate and hearing from all sides what the issues were.

Although it would be nice to have just one out there somewhere on cable news seeing as how the right wing has an entire network(fox).

[jbnow]

25. Welcome DemEtienne

I think you're right that since he doesn't do spin for our side, when he speaks against this administration it might mean more to the average viewer. I don't think he gets many right extremists watching but he might appeal to moderates.

There isn't really any left wing liberal talking points shows as there are right wing.

What I would really like is shows that aren't talking point shows at all, just shows that really look for what it true. Too much spin in the world.

In the meantime I appreciate the press finally starting to really look at this administration with a more critical eye.

[Raffi Ella]

29. Thank you for the Welcome!

Good to be here.


I couldn't agree more with you about shows that look for the truth and don't try and spin it.That is definitely something we desperately need.

[seaglass]

7. Am I missing something here? Has anyone been watching

David Schuster's reports?

I don't like Matthews - he needs to climb out of Guiliani's ass, but the David Schuster reports have been good stuff.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

13. Yes, the Schuster reports have been good, but...

...it's the Tweety "expert panels" with people like Andrea Mitchell, John Fund and Tucker Carlson that have me concerned.

[npincus]

16. hear, hear- I agree w/you

Yes, he's had the usual WH apologists on, but the fact is, Tweety has been beating this subject like a drum, every day, for weeks. I don't know another cable show that has devoted nearly its entire broadcast time to this particular topic, and continuously, for weeks on end(with the occasional terrorist bombing or hurricane coverage interrupting). He has been pretty relentless in not letting this story go, and THAT in and of itself is hurting the WH, who would like this story to disappear. Tweety, has not looked the other way or tried to minimize the significance of the ("potential") malfeasance- he is as shrill as he has ever been on this matter.

i am not really sure either what so many are complaining about here. We've waited 5 years for the media to sink their fangs into a B*sh scandal (and they have ignored them all, up to now). Finally, we have one and the BIG one; did B*sh commit the high crime of lying the nation into war. I have PRAYED for those god damned media pricks to address this. Now, of course the RW pundits are spinning like tops on programs like Hardball, but there's been enough 'meat' and truth presented in between the spinning tops it has been to the great detriment of the WH.

IF Tweety were not covering this subject, then I would be as furious as I have been at everyone else in the MSM (except KO) for the past 5 years. The Schuster reports are manna from heaven and need to be rebroadcast with the same zeal the MSM had for the 'Dean Scream'.

[seaglass]

20. I just have to guess that people haven't been watching the

reports, which is really unfortunate.

Maybe I'm at the point when I'll take whatever I can get. I can't stand seeing Andrea Mitchell's face on my tv screen and in a perfect world I wouldn't have to but I guess I'll put up with that if I can get Schuster's reporting.

[arewenotdemo]

24. makes sense to me

[harlinchi]

8. Stop spinning, GOP! The swirling hot air is contributing to the...

...creation of frequent, intense and long-lasting hurricanes.

[OneTwentyoNine]

9. Really?!?!? He was the spin master getting us into Iraq in the first place

He was simply another MSM WHORE who did the walk and repeated WMD,WMD like a fucking bobble head night after night after night in early 2003.

Now he's going to get to the bottom of this matter?!?! ROFLOL......Bawhahahahaha

[zbdent]

10. So, he's going to "stop the spin" and

go into full-blown propaganda?

[WinkyDink]

11. All CM has to do is go to the videotape.

Show Bush at the WH correspondents' dinner, joking about WMD's.
Show Cheney's and Rummy's flat-out lies and contradictions (and DR's dismissive comments about the post-Invasion chaos).
Show Bush insanely claiming that Saddam had never allowed inspectors in. Then show Hans Blix.
Show Ben-Veniste's devastating grilling of Condi, about that WDB re: Bin-Laden determined.....
Get Powell on.
Etc.

Tweety can't quite decide if he wants to be The Man in regards to the Truth (Olbermann Envy), or wants to still curry favor with Bushco. It's still just sport to him.

[Village Idiot]

12. If I have to listen to: "Dems had the same intel... " ONE MORE TIME

I'm going to explode!

[gratuitous]

15. Does that mean Tweety is resigning?

Because there's just no way he can stop his spinning of the Iraq war. It would require a change so profound in his toadying make-up that would take it down to a cellular level for him to stop spinning the Iraq war. It's that ingrained in his being.

[mrhopeforwes]

17. how freakin' far through the looking glass can we possibly go?!

addd

[calimary]

23. Welcome to DU!

Glad you're here.

It IS kind of hard to trust what might come out of Tweety's mouth. I don't. I'm glad for the David Shuster reports, and I'm glad matthews is starting to "get it." But he's got a LONG way to go to undo the damage HE HELPED ENABLE with his pro-bush, pro-war bias. At least this is a start.

[newyawker99]

26. Hi mrhopeforwes!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[mrhopeforwes]

31. can you please tell me how to become a donor

I'm new! ..and clueless!

If Jesus were alive today,
No way he'd vote for Bush,
To those that say he should,
He'd say, "Kiss my tush!"

[mrhopeforwes]

32. would you like to read an advance copy of...

a story I'm getting published about how to force Bush to resign...for Wesley Clark (crazy as that sounds)?

[Armstead]

19. "The Great Bush Was badly Served by His Aides and the Democrats"

Here's my prediction:

The schizophrenic Tweetster will attack the war, but will firmly displace any responsibility for the Commander in Chief who made the ultimate decision.

he will also say that the democrats have no right to complain, because they were among those who badly served Bush. \

[DainBramaged]

21. Tweety, 250000-280000 homes max viewing, why bother?

No matter what he says, he is no longer viable as a spokesperson for any political position or idea. In effect, he is butter in a sea of margarine, barely floating until GE plays out his contract and he moves over to FUXED.

[Kurovski]

28. Stops spinning? Is his rotating butt-plug out of batteries?

[oc2002]

30. Tweety is still spinning that congress had the same inteligence as the W

He just keeps repeating that same line so I am emailing him a message with some of the information here which proves beyond any doubt that that was not the case.

Congress was spoonfed 'sexed' up information that would of scared anyone it was actualy true. To say that congress had access to the analysts like Cheney and the WH cabal is a insidous lie.

Send an email to Hardball and tell them to get the facts right.
[e-mail]

[Catherine Vincent]

33. Yes, Andrea Mitchell may as well be a co-anchor being that she is

the most frequent guest in history of Hardballs.

[shance]

34. How different is Andrea Mitchell from Judy Miller? They both promoted

the war.