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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 11:12 AM
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FACTS about misleading our nation to war
Edited on Sun Nov-13-05 11:12 AM by jhuth
President George Bush, Vice President Richard Cheney,
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and
National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice made
misleading statements about the threat posed by Iraq in 125 public appearances.
The report and an accompanying database identify 237 specific misleading
statements by the five officials.

http://www.house.gov/reform/min/pdfs_108_2/pdfs_inves/pdf_admin_iraq_on_the_record_rep.pdf
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 12:33 PM
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1. Great post,everyone should study and commit to memory nt.
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 03:58 PM
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15. Done. Great resource from March 16, 2004 n/t
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danny1961 Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 12:59 PM
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2. Misleading? ha-ha!
Why do you blame it on others? How did it happend that your government did not mislead any Europeans? Everyone considered Bush's reasoning a sham, and opposed the invasion. I opposed it - not because I care a bit about Americans killing Iraqis, but because they created a failed state almost at Israeli borders. You wanted to be mislead!
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 03:12 PM
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13. With regard to a majority of the American people
I believe the sad truth is that you are correct.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 01:26 PM
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3. Kicked and Recommended.
ANOTHER good resource for OUR talking points.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 01:47 PM
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4. I think the Senate and the Congress were shown SOME of the same
intelligence, but they were not shown the intelligence debunking the intelligence they were shown.

Something I rarely if ever see discussed that I have read, ( I think in the Woodward book, but I'll have to check) is that the famous 16 words were supposed to be part of an earlier speech in October, before the State of the Union Address. The CIA insisted that it be pulled at that time and it was. So, then it pops up AGAIN for the State of the Union. You really can't say that they did not know or have any indication that they were using bad intel. I think this is a very smoking gun. Give me a little time and I'll find the quote.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:00 PM
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5. C'mon, guys - two more recommendations!
Just two.

Get this into Greatest where it belongs.

Nice, quick, easy talking point. Not that much to remember. A fast jab to the jaw. In and out.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:15 PM
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6. Can I kick my own post?
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:25 PM
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8. Well, if you don't, I'm gonna.
BTW, I have NEVER been adverse to kicking MY own posts - but then I'm kind of a brassy broad... :evilgrin:

I don't see any reason why you couldn't. I just want it to get one more recommendation.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:27 PM
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9. Just tried & got an error. (cannot recommend your own post)
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:29 PM
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11. You can kick your own. Can't recommend, though. But it's moot now.
Edited on Sun Nov-13-05 02:30 PM by calimary
We have achieved five recommendations! You're in the Greatest now. Cheers!

:toast: :headbang: - Dang! I LOVE that "headbang" thingie!
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:16 PM
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7. It's in Wikipedia now.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:29 PM
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10. Great link here
Edited on Sun Nov-13-05 02:36 PM by Phoebe Loosinhouse
It references the point I made in my earlier post about excising the Niger stuff in an earlier speech. But it is incredibly interesting, please read.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/21/cp.01.html
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 03:09 PM
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12. Bless you Henry Waxman
Edited on Sun Nov-13-05 03:23 PM by wicasa
Let us all thank Henry Waxman for having this prepared.



And thank you too jhuth.



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Poet Lariat Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 03:19 PM
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14. Recommended symbolically
...Not enough posts yet. Great "boiling down" of the facts. Thanks jhuth
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 04:23 PM
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16. And yet another relevant good read here
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/13/152855/60

Hope you don't mind me posting these additional links on your thread jhuth. I think taken together they lead to one unmistakable conclusion = YES we were misled, pressured, steamrolled, into war.
I guess at some point people will start to use the L word altho right now it seems to be ixnay on ielay, why I don't understand.

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Freedomfried Donating Member (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 06:13 PM
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17. plausible deniability, the reaganites started this garbage!
What complete and utter drivel comes out of the lying, spinning mouths of the Bush administration!

First of all, Bush did lie when he used the so-called yellow-cake "evidence" in a State of the Union Adress, after the KNEW that the "evidence" was bogus. One lie does not a liar make, I hear you say?

Because of the Republican invention, during the Reagan Administration, of "plausible deniability" for a President, it is very difficult to nail a President with lying. Even though it was clear that Reagan was lying about his awareness of Iran-Contra, it was impossible to nail him because he and his staff made sure that no tapes, no memos, no smoking gun, would exist. But if he was not lying, then he could be rightly accused of being an idiot and being out of control of his own administration.

Bush is similarly protected -- but imperfectly protected -- by the Republican dodge of "plausible deniability." Imperfectly, because many of Bush's lies are clearly demonstrable.

Bush said tht if anyone in his Administration was "involved" in the outing of Valerie Plame, they would have to leave his employ. Well, when the Grand Jury was about to produce indictments, Bush said that "anyone indicted and convicted" would be asked to leave. That is, the bastard, as always, lied the first time and retreated from his word the second time -- lying and dishonesty -- and a general lack of honor -- are trademarks of this pathetic excuse for a human being.

The investigation into how the White House solicited, received, manufactured, invented, twisted, spun, or pressured agencies for the "right" intelligence to support his ill-advised war has not yet been completed. The Republicans tried to drop that part of the intelligence investigation after the election. Therefore, in point of fact, we do not know the extent of Bush's lies. We do know, however, that he lied upon this or that occasion. If you are generous to the man, he lied at least once, for sure, no doubt, on record.

However, it was clear before the war that Bush's evidence was false or at least very shaky. The connection to al-Qaeda was absurd on its face, and there was no evidence for a meeting between Atta and Iraqi Security in Prague -- it was hearsay that has never had one iota of evidence to support it -- and plenty of intelligence agencies who had determined it to be false. Bush was not ashamed to use this shaky evidence, even when he knew he could not be sure of it.

If anyone believed Bush or Cheney about imminent threat, "mushroom clouds," or the "45 minute window" in which Saddam could launch chemical or biological weapons was and remains an utter fool. There WERE lies - they are lies which Bush is able to deny under "plausible deniability," but not under oath.

U.N inspectors and the IAEA knew -- KNEW -- that Iraq did not have a viable nuclear program; inspectors for the U.N. suspected that WMDs had been already destroyed -- but did the Bush amininstration listen to eayone other than their little incestuous circle? No. Many people came out with the truth about one admnistration claim or another, and they were attacked by the administration, but they were never, ever, consulted by the administration. This administration accepted evidence only if they wanted to believe it, not on the basis of determining its truth. That, my amigos, is lying, and the Bush admnistration was lying before the war, lying as it began, and they are lying today.

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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 04:52 AM
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18. kick
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