God I'm sooo tired of this insider/outsider crap!

[plurality]

Because it's simply a fucking marketing ploy!

Howard Dean, a 10 year Governor, heavily involved in the NGA and the DLC, IS NOT AN OUTSIDER! And neither is Wesley Clark, who went to West Point (must have reccomendation of 2 Congressmen to get accepted), worked in the Army/Defense Department (last time I checked that was involved in running the country), and was a lobbyist. Residing/working somewhere other than Washington DC doesn't exactly cut you off from all the elite/well connected back-slapping crony politics that you're supposedly voting against.

Jesus, using some of the definitions some people are going by here George W. Bush was an outsider when he ran. Remember, he was a Governor, not a Congressman, or a Senator, so he MUST have been an outsider right? Nevermind that he had corporate scumbags proping him up like crazy, but using the general DU definition he was an 'outsider', so I guess many here swarmed to him over Gore since if you work in Washington you have to be the devil right.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

1. exactly..let's talk competence

[auntpattywatty]

2. Don't read the postings you don't like.

[capriccio]

7. Just wondering

How do you know if you don't like the postings, if you don't read them? Sounds like the approach George W. Bush would take if he belonged to DU.

[seaglass]

3. Bush did run as an outsider.

That's why the Insider/Outsider means zero to me.

[plurality]

9. exactly

but so many people here take it as gospel the Dean and Clark are the 'outsider' rebels that are going to shake up the 'establishment' just because they say so. Nevermind both of them have been part of that establishment their entire lives.

[molly]

4. You are correct!

[blm]

5. And some "insiders" investigated and EXPOSED govt. corruption.

BIG difference.

[AP]

10. Yet gov't corruption gets worse and worse. Time to try

something new.

[Skwmom]

6. Clark is a true outsider, a non-politician, a leader

which is what this country needs. Politicians have made a mess of this country.

[eileen_d]

8. Thank you!

As I said in a previous post: the insider/outsider distinction in politics is a crutch for people who want to avoid thinking about issues. And I am sick to death of seeing it on DU.

[Skinner]

11. I'm locking this.

While I think you have a valid point, I think it could have been stated in a less inflammatory manner.

Skinner
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