How do you expect us to vote for the DLC?

[mrgorth]

I'm seeing a lot of "Dean is done". Fine, this is arguable. I'm also seeing some "Dean people, support this guy", which is understandable. Understand that I, likely, have an issue with your candidates support for the IWR. That said, I'm a reasonable man. Then, us Dean people see shit like this:

http://www.ndol.org/print.cfm?contentid=252334

<snip>
Now the race moves onto New Hampshire, where two other impressive New Democrats -- Sen. Joe Lieberman and Gen. Wesley Clark -- will have their chance as well. Money and region still make Dean the favorite. But Iowa wasn't just a poor finish for Dean; the results undermine the central premises that have fueled his campaign up until now. Democrats desperately want to beat George Bush, and want a nominee who will expand the party's appeal, not limit its reach. Voters want a positive vision, not just a negative one. Candidates with an optimistic vision do more to bring new voters to the polls than candidates without one.
<snip>

I realize that your candidate did not write this but explain to me the logic of gloating over the loss for a candidate with a whole buttload of supporters. Right now, I want to vote against the DLC out of spite. Why can't anyone reign in these idiots?

[sangh0]

1. Simple

No one expects you to vote for the DLC because the DLC isn't running

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. They are pulling the strings on some candidates

and the media.

They are in the picture for certain.

[sangh0]

4. You still can't vote for them

They haven't even endorsed any candidate.

[Iverson]

5. You still can't vote for them.

They haven't even endorsed any candidate. ;-)

[sangh0]

8. Thanks

Your support is appreciated

[GreenPartyVoter]

7. I really see them rushing to endorse

Kucinich or Sharpton. :eyes:

[sangh0]

12. Non-responsive "framing of the issue"

They have been just as slow to endorse the other candidates

[GreenPartyVoter]

14. no, I meant

future rushing.. not current.

In other words, if Dennis or Al actually won the primaries I would be shocked to see the DLC endorse them. What the DLC believes in and what Dennis and Al believe in are very, very different.

[sangh0]

18. Your criticism is based on future DLC actions

that haven't happened yet?

And how does that justify the claim that the DLC is behind Kerry and using their influence to help Kerry in particular?

[indigo32]

10. Give me a break

we know that. But supposedly they are supposed to be Dems just like me.... I DON'T appreciate being insulted by fellow Dems.
That is why I have NEVER posted againsts other Dem candidates or their supporters. NEVER. VOTE SUPPRESSION IS NOT A GOOD CAMPAIGN TACTIC WHEN YOUR SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE SAME SIDE IN THE END!

[sangh0]

13. They're supposed to be just like you??

Wow!! That's really a fine display of tolerance.

VOTE SUPPRESSION IS NOT A GOOD CAMPAIGN TACTIC WHEN YOUR SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE SAME SIDE IN THE END!

To be honest, it doesn't sound like you are on the DLC's side.

[indigo32]

20. No they aren't supposed to be just like me

I guess I could have worded that better. But surely it wasn't necessary to kick Dean supporters yet again...issues are one thing but they get rather personal about do they not? Are you totally unable to understand the frustratation?
Am I on their side... on several issues probably not.... but at the ballot box I am.

[sangh0]

24. I understand the frustration

I just don't think it's justified. For one thing, the DLC did not "get personal". It's politics, and here's nothing personal about it. The "personal" was, IMO, the result of the passion Dean arouses in many of his supporters.

[indigo32]

27. oh gee my bad

this is the notice against Dean from the 20th and not the one from the 28th, which was slightly harsher. It just seems to me like reaching out would be a better option. Ughh. I suppose your right, maybe it's just politics. No wonder most people ignore it. My problem is I give a crap what happens in my country and elsewhere, so I find it hard to ignore.

[sangh0]

28. You shouldn't ignore it

Just try to maintain as much objectivity as you can. Emotions, particularly anger, cloud reason.

[Iverson]

3. Haven't you gotten the memo!?!?

Thinking about alternatives is double-plus bad!
No biscuit!
:crazy:

[KFC]

6. I thought this was a Democrat board

I don't have a problem voting for the nominee, whoever it is.

But if you want to vote for Bush for petty spite, no one's stopping you.

[girl gone mad]

17. Who said anything about voting for Bush?

And, is it any wonder that some people would rather leave Bush to deal with his mess for 4 more years and then have a chance at real change than elect another wishy-washy bush-enabling DLCer?

[bullimiami]

9. dlc is full of it

thats a crock of crap

kerry and the rest coopted deans message and some of his outspokenness.

the dlc sucks.

joe an impressive democrat? yeah i guess breaux and zell are impressive dems too.


i will still support ABB but i might hold my nose a little.

andy
miami

[GreenPartyVoter]

11. Hi and welcome, Andy

I understand your feelings on the subject very well.

[IrateCitizen]

15. Huh?

kerry and the rest coopted deans message and some of his outspokenness.

Dean's message? I'm sorry, but Dean's message was FAR from progressive. Just because he garnered progressive support, does not immediately make him a progressive.

In the words of Molly Ivins, if you want to know how a politician will govern, you do three things: look at the record, look at the record, and look at the record. When you look at Dean's record, what you find is that he was actually much more centrist than either Kerry or Edwards.

As for "co-opting (his) message and some of his outspokenness," I would appreciate it if you could tell me how this is a BAD thing. I mean, that's one of the reasons I support Kucinich as much as I do. If Kerry or Edwards or Clark would suddenly adopt a few of his positions (actually, Edwards has with his recent anti-corporate, populist swing), I would personally be happier than a pig in shit! And if it carries through the election and results in a Republican loss, I fail to see the serious downside.

[blm]

16. You support a CENTRIST and you complain about the DLC?

Dean was the furthest RIGHT of the DLC as governor. DEAN is a Dem who pulled the party further right.

Thankfully Dems like Kerry were pulling leftward throughout Dean's time at the DLC.

[Iverson]

19. well, you know what they say ...

"It takes a village to baste a turkey."

[Democrats unite]

21. How stupid can people get?

People talk about the DLC & don't even know what the Hell it is! All they know is they think the DLC is the boogey man! I happen to be part of DLC, I support Clark who is an outsider. The DLC is a group of Democrats, just like we are a group of Democrats here on DU. The DLC members have their different choices just like we have our different choices here on DU.

I wish people wouldn't talk about something they have no fucking clue on!

[mrgorth]

29. I've never heard this before

but I can tell you I'm disgusted by Fromm/Reed's comments. Please explain more. I try to be open minded.

[AP]

22. If you don't like the DLC, vote for Edwards. They don't like

him because of he's not down with NAFTA and he votes to protect labor.

[Zomby Woof]

23. that is the main reason he is my #2

Labor and NAFTA, plus his working class upbringing. I look forward to his southern campaign.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

25. No problem. I won't vote for their candidates.

The only way that we can wrest the party from the clutch of the rightwingers is with our votes. Should the DLC prevail and and manage to foist a pro-war, "not-too-liberal", candidate on us again, then we must withhold our votes from them in November. It's the only weapon we have.

[jpgray]

26. See my thread below (we're complacent)

I don't believe Kerry is representative of the views of the DLC. Even if Lieberman were the nominee, I would vote for him.