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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 10:21 PM
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Commander In Chief Clark character
kicking butt in confirmation hearings.

General/VP
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 10:23 PM
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1. Time? Place? Huh? nt
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 10:23 PM
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2. ABC right now here. It began at 8:00 pm
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 10:29 PM
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3. Asked about obeying orders and whether as VP he'd obey
President's orders, he said yes.

Then asked to comment about the fact that the now Pres didn't resign when told to do so by ailing, dying President.

He said well yes it would be wrong, but then again the next person in the line of succession was...uh...it escapes me.

But it was the questioning Senator I think.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:03 PM
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7. That would be the Speaker of the House
who Bridges once promised the VP job.

The press would eat that up if something was brought up and just dropped during confirmation hearings so a backroom deal could be made.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:32 PM
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8. The creepy character played by Donald Sutherland?
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:45 PM
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9. Nathan Templeton, Speaker of the House
Remember the incident with the damaged oil rig? He was fighting for a specific part of Florida (his district) and bigger goals.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:32 AM
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11. Thanks. Yea, that's the one played by
Donald Sutherland. I do recall and also read brief summaries of all episodes to try to get characters straight.

I hadn't seen all the shows or all of each show that I watched.

Nathan keeps trying to get people to turn on the Pres.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 11:28 AM
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15. Donald Sutherland is awesome in that role.
He really makes me despise Templeton. I always liked Donald Sutherland, but he is amazing in this role.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 11:30 AM
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16. He is really good.
He was in the MASH movie.

But he plays the evil Nathan extremely well. You just wanna reach out and slap his tv face.

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justgamma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 10:44 PM
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4. question about the ending?
I'm dying to know and couldn't see, but the guy who resigned tonight, was that the nasty Repug's assistant he's living with?
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:09 PM
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5. The guy who resigned was like chief of staff or something to
the President.

Strange cause she asked him if he had leaked that the former President had asked her to resign. He said no and she believed him.

Hoping she asks him back next time.
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:25 PM
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6. YES!!
apparently they do the nasty when they are off the clock.


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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 12:06 PM
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17. That was quite a shocker.
I had no idea Jim was with Templeton's chief of staff.

The president had his resignation letter delivered back to him, unopened. She did not accept his resignation. I didn't think he was the leak, either. Now that I see who his girlfriend is, though, I'm not so sure I still trust him.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 08:34 AM
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10. Kick.
I find this whole thing fascinating. I may have to actually break down and watch it soon!

:kick:

TC
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 11:22 AM
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12. I think it runs two days a week, repeating the show sometime over
the weekend. I'm not sure.

It is pretty intriguing.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 11:24 AM
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13. Who plays the Clark character?
or what's his character's name?
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 11:26 AM
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14. Peter Coyote plays Warren Keaton n/t
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 12:07 PM
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19. Coyote is a good actor
and real leftie. Same with Sutherland. Maybe I'll start watching. Esp since the wingers are all up in arms over the show.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 01:04 PM
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20. Maybe too much of a leftie...
I saw the episode where the President's hubby was vetting Keaton for the job, and it seemed to me that Coyote played the character as WAY too volatile and hot-headed. Methinks he may hold the typical far-left stereotype of what generals are like--something out of Apocalypse Now.

I've seen Clark get pretty angry when his patriotism or love of the troops was questioned. He also doesn't suffer fools or incompetence easily. And when it's something important, he has a tendancy to say what he really thinks and damn the consequences. But he has NEVER lost control of his temper, no matter how sorely provoked. And yeah, I know Keaton is a fictional character and does not NEED to be portrayed exactly as Clark, but I really don't think many officers rise to the level of general without a great deal of self-discipline and an ability to keep their emotions in check when appropriate.

I'm really ticked off at myself for missing Tuesday nite's episode. Was looking forward to it, but I got too worried, then excited, about the results coming out of VA and NJ and forgot to tune in. Sure hope ABC reruns it Saturday nite. Sometimes they do, sometimes not.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:10 PM
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24. I remember that. What I liked was after listening to Rod, 1st Hubby,
about the confirmation process, and after watching MacKenzie handling the situation with the 9 murdered US DEA agents.

He made a huge transition, and said he would do what he had to do in the confirmation process. And that he wanted to be a part of this or that, meaning the way the Pres handled stuff.

You could see him getting impressed, excited, and wanting to help the nation.

The last episode though ends with hints at some vulnerability of Warren's during the confirmation process. Some personal stuff.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:31 PM
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28. Another thing I liked about the DEA episode
Edited on Thu Nov-10-05 02:34 PM by Jai4WKC08
Is how the Keaton character cut thru all the bullshit right away to point to what the South American dictator's real vulnerability was. In other words, when all the generals at the table were talking about defeating his military (like what Bush probably discussed in his initial "what to do about Saddam" meetings), Keaton says right up front that would be stupid because the key to his power was the money from the drug trade. If you want to pressure the guy, you go after the source of his power, and not turn to a military solution first.

Now, is that Wes Clark or what! :) Reminded me of what former SecDef Bill Perry said about Clark in "American Son" about how he always cuts through the bullshit to see the heart of any problem (or words to that effect).
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:57 PM
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29. Oh yea. That was great. Warren & MacKenzie worked so well together
Edited on Thu Nov-10-05 02:58 PM by Humor_In_Cuneiform
on that.

She immediately seized on it, ordered aircraft to target their drug plants etc. And she warned the dictator what she was going to do, and how they'd continue to hit the drug plants or fields or whatever every 12 hours or whatever until they were ready to turn over the murderers of the DEA agents.

It was Wes all over.

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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 01:20 PM
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21. Yeah, get it?
Wesley Clark. Warren Keaton.

Pretty clever, eh? ;)

Both four-star generals, both former Supreme Allied Commanders of NATO. Both good liberal Democrats. Keaton is described as not having a duplicitous bone in his body, and speaks multiple foreign languages.

Lurie, the show's creator, donated to Clark's '08 campaign. He also donated to Kerry's, but not until after Clark had dropped out. Lurie's out now, but the new producer was also a Clark contributer.

I think we can expect some good exposure out of this character. In terms of personal attibutes and resume, Warren is a lot closer to Wesley than Mac is to Hillary, even tho she's getting all the media attention... like that's anything new.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:05 PM
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22. I didn't know all that.
Someone who knows I really like Wes Clark told me about the show and how he was described as having led in a war in which no American troop lives were lost.

I said that must be Wes.

The rest of the description does fit.

Even cooler than I'd realized.

;)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:08 PM
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23. Both married for 35 years.....
it's Clark without the Clark charm.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:12 PM
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25. Kinda funny, usually the character outshines the real life person
in charm, charisma, looks.

But you're right. Wes outshines in all those areas.

Still it is kinda cool to have a Wes Clark character.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 12:06 PM
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18. Peter Coyote plays him
He's the president's pick as VP.
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:16 PM
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26. I believe the fictional Pres. described the Warren Keaton character
as "not having a duplicitous bone in his body".

Yes, it sounds really familiar to me too.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:24 PM
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27. She had to talk him into taking the nomination, but finally got him
by saying that she wouldn't run for President and so what did he have to do for the next 3 years or so?

And saying that the only thing they would concentrate on would be doing the nation's business. Cause no election campaign to worry about.

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