Myths and Legends about John Kerry: True or False? A compilation!

[ShaneGR]

Myth: John Kerry is a DLC candidate
Verdict: FALSE, Kerry was seen as far too liberal by the DLC. Joe Lieberman, Howard Dean, and Edwards are present/past members though. Kerry's voting record on issues other than the original IWR vote, is one of the most liberal. Who beats him on the socially liberal scale? Edwards, who also voted for the IWR.... go figure! (EDIT: I forgot the ultra-lib Kucinich... Liberal Master of the Universe... sorry Kucinich backers!)

Myth: If Kerry wins Dean fans will revolt and vote for the World Socialist Candidate, Ralph Nader, Lyndon Larouche, or Hamm.
Verdict: TRUE & FALSE, most will vote for Kerry while some will raise a stink, hopefully it doesn't hand Bush the White House visa vie the 2000 election. We can only hope not!

Myth: John Kerry is a Skull & Bonesman
Verdict: TRUE, yes John Kerry joined a secret society during his junior year at Yale. After running around naked, repeating weird chants, and sitting in a coffin for a few hours... John Kerry announced he had seen George W Bush naked and something must be done to stop a man with such a small... well, you know.

Myth: John Kerry recently had botox injections to prep up his sagging face.
Verdict: TRUE, and good for him. Seriously, would you prefer for him to let his face sag to the floor... or go metrosexual and fix himself up!

Myth: John Kerry's victories in Iowa and NH are part of a largescale conspiracy to hold back "non" establishment candidates.
Verdict: FALSE, the voters have spoken and the picked Kerry because they believed he has the best chance of defeating Bush. That being said, lets see how Feb. 3rd goes.... and hope for record turnout! Yeehaw!

Myth: John Kerry threw fake Vietnam medals over the white house fence.
Verdict: TRUE, but he earned the real medals in the Nam, unlike everyone else except for Clark. And don't you forget it! Dean was busy skiing. Edwards was too young. Kucinich was too young. Lieberman was, well, who the hell knows what Lieberman was doing!

Myth: The Republicans fear John Kerry.
Verdict: FALSE, although they're downright mad at not getting Howard Dean, they can still pin a ton of "NE Liberal" on our Mr. Kerry. But he is a formidable candidate. Put John Kerry on the stage with 100 firefighters from the firefighters union and tell me he's weak. I beg to differ.



NOTE: I'm backing Edwards, but I'll be happy with Kerry. Even though I think Edwards is about to lay the smackdown in Oklahoma, South Carolina and maybe Missouri.


NOTE2: Enter your own myth!

[JI7]

1. now THAT is "fair and balanced"

thanks, i enjoyed reading it.

[gWbush is Mabus]

2. they both suck

Kerry would get CRUSHED in a GE.
botox and north-east liberal means NO south and midwest votes

Edwards is a phony ("outsider", "positive" campaign, "against" PA) = all bullshit


Dean is our only hope whether you realize it or not.

[HawkerHurricane]

12. If Dean is our only hope

We are already doomed.

And I would say that about any candidate that anyone declares 'is our only hope'. Fer Gawds sake, it's only the second primary! And polls show 'any Democrat' ahead of Bush on electability.

[murielm99]

19. False

[creativelcro]

3. Myth

If Kerry wins the nomination, all democrats will vote for him in the end.

Verdict: FALSE, many democrats will not vote at all or vote for a "protest" candidate.

[HawkerHurricane]

14. Myth

someone who would vote for a 'protest' candidate over the elected Democratic nominee is still a Democrat.
FALSE

[ShaneGR]

16. Hawker!

Wuzzup, you going back out to the sea soon?

[HawkerHurricane]

25. Never again

Due to medical problems and my upcoming retirement, the next time I go to sea will be for pleasure, not duty.

[ShaneGR]

36. Well, good

Enjoy your retirement, you deserve it. And hopefully your med problems aren't too severe. Good luck with the VA, I went through the ringer trying to get them to give my father his just due. Eventually they relented and started paying the man. Gees, you'd think they didn't understand what being shot 3 times, inhaling chemicals, and post-stress disorder will do to a person.

[phillybri]

21. Great call!!!

Good to see you, Hawker!

[creativelcro]

32. Myth:

Progressives give a shit about being called non-Democrats.
FALSE

[ShaneGR]

37. Myth about Dean

Dean is a progressive.

Verdict: FALSE, never has been.... never will be. In fact, during his stint as Governor of Vermont he was farther to the right than even Lieberman. Pro-death penalty, pro-gun, generally anti-union in budgets, appointed conservative judges....

want me to continue?

[creativelcro]

38. Myth about Kerry

Kerry is a war hero

Verdict: he was too afraid to run, that's all there is to it.

[ShaneGR]

41. I suppose all the people who he saved are lying scumbags too

Have you no integrity or class? Will you do anything, including bringing everyone else down in your own flames?

[Hawkeye-X]

51. provide proof

or restate your statement.

Hawkeye-X

[adadem]

20. Same scenario

with Dean.

[goobergunch]

Actually Kerry is a DLC member

http://www.ndol.org/new_dem_dir_action.cfm?viewAll=1

[WiseMen]

13. Yes. But Candidacy never supported by DLC. Gore, Lieberman Founders

Since the 92 campaign Kerry has been view as far to liberal and with
too radical a history by the DLC to run even as a V.P.

[molly]

4. Too funny - especially the S&B scenario!

we need some humor about now! :toast:

[JI7]

5. yes

that one was good

[girl gone mad]

6. He threw fake medals?

A hollow protest, if you ask me.

[molly]

7. Hey - it was a protest!

[creativelcro]

34. Did he also burn a fake flag ?

[Freddie Stubbs]

9. I was under the impression that they were real, but

they belonged to another veteran.

[JI7]

11. yes, that is true

.

[papau]

15. It was ribbon throw plus medals sent by those not able to be there

All was "real"

[Freddie Stubbs]

8. Kerry has been endorsed by plenty of DLCers

He has been endorsed by Dianne Feinstein, Juanita Millender-McDonald, Jennifer Granholm, Carolyn McCarthy, Gregory Meeks, Earl Blumenauer, Harold Ford Jr, and Adam Smith. They are all New Democrats:

http://www.ndol.org/new_dem_dir.cfm

[ShaneGR]

10. And so has Dean, Edwards, Lieberman

Repeat it to yourself: AL GORE

[Freddie Stubbs]

23. And the DLC is talking him up on their website

DLC | New Dem Daily | January 28, 2004
Another Vote for Hope Over Anger

For the second week in a row, rank-and-file Democrats have spoken loud and clear: The Democratic Party is moderate, middle-class, and motivated by hope, not anger. Sen. John Kerry firmly established himself as the big comeback story of the nominating process. He won a second straight victory by following the path urged on Democrats by the original Comeback Kid, President Bill Clinton: showing the country not just what Democrats are against, but what they are for. Kerry's solid middle-class message and mastery of the issues once again lifted him to a big margin over Gov. Howard Dean in a state Dean was supposed to "own" and badly needed to win.

For the past year, we have said time and again that Democrats need to offer answers, not just anger. As in Iowa, voters in New Hampshire proved that they're not interested in simply making a statement; they want a candidate who can beat George W. Bush and who offers answers to their most pressing problems. Candidates like Kerry who supported middle-class tax cuts picked up 70 percent of the vote in New Hampshire, crushing candidates like Dean who reflexively opposed them. As in Iowa, the Blair Democrats who supported the use of force in Iraq solidly defeated Democratic candidates who tried to stoke anger against it.

Kerry's decisive margin over Dean shows the enormous appeal of a comprehensive, rational critique of George W. Bush combined with a comprehensive, positive agenda for what Democrats would do after replacing him, based on clear progressive principles.

As in Iowa, turnout was very high, which is good news for Democrats generally. Indeed, about half of the primary voters were self-identified independents, attracted by a campaign that was generally positive in its final phase.

more: http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=131&subid=192&contentid=252351

[ShaneGR]

24. Would you prefer for the millions of moderate Democrats....

To not support the Democratic Nominee? I thought this election was too important for that kind of petty sniping. Perhaps that's why people shied away from the Good Doctor?

[Freddie Stubbs]

28. Moderate Democrats will support Kerry

They already are, rejecting the candidates of the far left.

[ShaneGR]

29. Well, yeah!

Perhaps I misunderstood the meaning of your post.

[mikehiggins]

17. Kerry is, in fact, a soap box liberal

that is, someone who has liberal positions but is willing to work together with the opposition to achieve common goals.

His principles are flexible.

Problem is, BushCo's principles are not. I refer back to the Kissinger piece describing why the Nazis managed to come to power in the post-WWI Germany. One of the contributing factors was the inability of those in power to recognise that the political paradigm (that's the buzzword in use just before meme) had shifted and that the Nazis were speaking the same language but with entirely different meanings.

BushCo's agenda has to be rolled back across the board, and Kerry is entirely too much the professional politician to do it. As someone here keeps saying, Bushlite is not going to beat BushReal.

If the average voter doesn't have a real reason to vote against Bush in November, he isn't going to do it. Does anyone REALLY think John Kerry is capable of presenting a REAL reason for anyone to vote against an incumbent President in a time of <<perceived>> war?

Hockey doesn't count.

[cindyw]

18. Not fake medals and he didn't throw anything.

Many veterans simply placed them on the fence. The VVAW was a democratic organization. They voted on the medal thing. Kerry voted no, but lost and went along because he respected the vote. He threw the medals of a fellow vet who could not be there. Then he placed his ribbons on the fence. Another myth solved.

As for the botox. I'd like to see proof.

[ShaneGR]

22. Myth solved

I like your version about the medals.

Though the botox (Or whatever he had done) is kind of obvious from the pictures. Personally, it's more of a thing that gets the right-wingers excited. I don't think 99% of Americans give a crap if he had something done to his face. Heck, if I look like that in my 50's I'm gonna be like "SHOOTER UP DOCK!"

[cindyw]

30. Look at this photo from NH primary day. If it was Botx, he must have had a

small dose, a while ago.


John Kerry on the phone calling voters on NH primary day.


Day before the primary.

I saw Kerry last June in person. This is what he looked like. I was surprised at how TV makes him look more lined. But if he did have Botox. I really don't care. He looks great. I know people in their 20's having botox. Not a big deal.

[ShaneGR]

33. I agree!

I don't care about whether he had Botox or not, though I'm starting to wonder if he's just got a great makeup person for TV. Who knows!

[sangh0]

43. The Botox story is a Drudge scam

Drudge uses a "before" picture that was taken when Kerry was recovering from cancer surgery. Of course he looks tired; He had a potentially fatal disease.

[adadem]

35. Cindy's version of the medals

is the truth....I read it not so long ago (will try to find the links) in a couple of different pieces.

And you're right, Botox is no big deal anymore.

[JI7]

26. drudge uses raised eyebrows pics

and pics when he was sick for the before pics. after pics are mostly those without facial movement or with makeup on which is common for tv. and there are recent pics with kerry's raised eyebrows which would not be possible with botox.

[mikehiggins]

27. You must have "misspoken"

You said in the heading that Kerry didn't throw anything and in your post you say that he threw the medals of another vet who couldn't make it to the rally.

You really ought to consider a run for office yourself ;^)

[ShaneGR]

31. I'm running for President in 2020

Send money to sgr2in2020.com!

Hehe

[cindyw]

40. Oh, I must have.

I have reads two accounts. One where he said that he placed medals and ribbon on fence. One that said he threw medals and placed ribbons. But I was refuting the point of throwing fake medals. I have read him saying that he placed them on the fence.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

39. Correction:

Kucinich wasn't too young for the military (he's 58, just two years younger than Kerry). He had a medical deferment, but I forget what for.

[ShaneGR]

42. Wow, Kucinich is 58?

I had no idea!

[JI7]

44. something to do with the heart

it had to do with his heart so it makes sense he would get a deferment. but without this he would have had to serve if called since he had no money to help pull strings to get out of it as bush did.

[sangh0]

45. Myth: Kerry didn't win in Iowa

Dean did.

I learned this today on DU. I kid you not!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

46. Not a myth. Some of us won't vote for Kerry.

"If Kerry wins Dean fans will revolt and vote for..." I for one, and I believe that there are a lot like me, will revolt and vote third party or sit it out.

[sangh0]

47. Breaking News

You don't represent all Dean fans. The important word in your sentence "I for one, and I believe that there are a lot like me..." is "one"

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

49. Your hopes exceed your logic.

Not only "Dean fans", but an awful lot of other fed up and disgusted liberals/leftists will be voting their consciences rather than for the pablum candidates that voted for the war.

[sangh0]

50. Meanwhile, in the real world

Dems are so excited about the candidates that turnout doubled in Iowa, and increased in NH where supposedly "fed up" antiwar Dems voted for the candidates who voted for IWR.

[Hawkeye-X]

48. Time to fix your debunks..

Myth #1 - Kerry is DLC.

You attempted to debunk it with this statement:

Verdict: FALSE, Kerry was seen as far too liberal by the DLC. Joe Lieberman, Howard Dean, and Edwards are present/past members though. Kerry's voting record on issues other than the original IWR vote, is one of the most liberal. Who beats him on the socially liberal scale? Edwards, who also voted for the IWR.... go figure! (EDIT: I forgot the ultra-lib Kucinich... Liberal Master of the Universe... sorry Kucinich backers!)

http://www.ndol.org/new_dem_dir.cfm

I offer this counter with this directory lookup. Kerry is in fact in the DLC directory. Debunked.

Myth #2 -
Myth: If Kerry wins Dean fans will revolt and vote for the World Socialist Candidate, Ralph Nader, Lyndon Larouche, or Hamm.
Verdict: TRUE & FALSE, most will vote for Kerry while some will raise a stink, hopefully it doesn't hand Bush the White House visa vie the 2000 election. We can only hope not!

Partial counter debunk: Most of us won't vote if Dean is not the nominee. Ralph Nader said he will run if Dean is not the nominee. See this:
http://www.ilgreenparty.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=427

Myth #3 - Myth: John Kerry is a Skull & Bonesman
Verdict: TRUE, yes John Kerry joined a secret society during his junior year at Yale. After running around naked, repeating weird chants, and sitting in a coffin for a few hours... John Kerry announced he had seen George W Bush naked and something must be done to stop a man with such a small... well, you know.

Counter debunk: You don't know the true history behind the Skull & Bones -- not only they continue to be connected, but they also funded Hitler in the 1940's. http://www.freedomdomain.com/skullbones.html - once they are in, they're in for life and will use the connections in the most nefarious ways -- INCLUDING screwing Dean from the other side without Kerry getting dirty.

Myth: John Kerry recently had botox injections to prep up his sagging face.
Verdict: TRUE, and good for him. Seriously, would you prefer for him to let his face sag to the floor... or go metrosexual and fix himself up!

Counter debunk: Botox injections didn't even help one bit. Now he looks even worse, and once the media releases the botox injection info, people will think Kerry is fixing his face to make him more attractive. He is still unattractive and still has more problems than his face. Including his uninspiring speeches and lack of energy or euthanism to motivate the voters.

Myth: John Kerry's victories in Iowa and NH are part of a largescale conspiracy to hold back "non" establishment candidates.
Verdict: FALSE, the voters have spoken and the picked Kerry because they believed he has the best chance of defeating Bush. That being said, lets see how Feb. 3rd goes.... and hope for record turnout! Yeehaw!

Counter debunk: Push-polling is what won Iowa for Kerry plus Gephardt's suicidal switch to both Edwards and Kerry for his supporters as well as Kucinich. Ugly DLC backdeals. There's ample evidence in Iowa, and probably will find more evidence of his dirty tricks in NH.

Myth: John Kerry threw fake Vietnam medals over the white house fence.
Verdict: TRUE, but he earned the real medals in the Nam, unlike everyone else except for Clark. And don't you forget it! Dean was busy skiing. Edwards was too young. Kucinich was too young. Lieberman was, well, who the hell knows what Lieberman was doing!

Counter debunk: Yes, but Kerry also threw another veteran's medal, and there's an anti-Kerry VWV group that counters most of what Kerry's bullshit is. http://pages.xtn.net/~wingman/docs/kerryst.htm


Myth: The Republicans fear John Kerry.
Verdict: FALSE, although they're downright mad at not getting Howard Dean, they can still pin a ton of "NE Liberal" on our Mr. Kerry. But he is a formidable candidate. Put John Kerry on the stage with 100 firefighters from the firefighters union and tell me he's weak. I beg to differ.

Counter debunk: Republicans WANT Kerry because he has huge baggage that RoveCo can use and will be resoundingly defeated by a 50 state sweep because Kerry couldn't inspire a dead duck to voting for anyone.

Hawkeye-X